If you wanna be Elf-Princess Aurelia levels of Optimistic-Because-Reality-Can't-Say-No-To-Me, there's always the unbelievably off chance that Aeira...looks a lot like Avecarn's grand kid. Ensue unnecessary doting and etc etc.

My god, the risk we're facing right now is making me see rather vivid delusions.
Then use that to write!

But more seriously by the sound of it even a completely unmitigated maximum greed is less dangerous than the Knight Commander fight would have been. It's something we really, really, really need to stop doing.
 
Fleeting Respite reaction 1189 words

It was a cool, clear, cloudless night, the moon pale and bare like carved crystal, crown-jewel of the skies presiding over the winds and realms beneath. They crunched through the snow-frosted path to reach the public baths, expansive panels of richly oiled wood towering menacingly to shield the occupants from onlookers.

"Let's get a private pool," Gisena said, flipping the jeweled key on her wrist. "There are some reserved for suite holders only!"

"Suddenly shy?" He raised an eyebrow.

"Of course!" Gisena clasped her hands meekly. "I'm just an innocent maiden, after all..."

"I'd like a private pool," Letrizia said, eyes darting to and fro. "You never know when there might be perverts lurking about."

"Fine, lead the way."

So a duchess, city lord and a noble lady don`t want to go to the public pool because *checks notes* perverts and sudden shyness. Damn hypocrites. At least admit that you don't want to bath with the plebs and peasantry and want to be alone. Letrizia might have been deluding herself or just watched too much anime last night. Gisena might fool somebody that never met her but if after weeks of travel, the maiden act is a bit too hypocritical, even for her.

They entered a smaller pool inset to the side. Though thick wooden panels obstructed horizontal vision, the panels facing outwards could be lowered, allowing bathers to take in the view. Below them was the serene darkness of the mountain outside giving way slowly to the jewel-fire glow of the city beneath. It was a breathtaking vista, and Hunger spent a moment simply absorbing the sight before leaning the Forebear's Blade against a wall, then entering the bath.

So, they did not want to be seen by anything (I am sure the Rotbeast is a latent voyeur) or anyone, but have a view to the outside. They are not fooling anyone, stop with the pretense you damn nobles.

Gisena pushed Letrizia in, then daintily slid in herself, carefully gathering her hair to twist into a water-resistant bun. Letrizia surfaced angrily, sputtering, and lashed out with a wave of water and Pressure that Gisena effortlessly dodged. Pouting, Letrizia sank beneath the surface, blowing bubbles at the two of them.



"Stupid nullification aura, let my Pressure through..."

Gisena used push versus Letrizia.

Letrizia used water blast versus Gisena. It is not very effective.

Gisena used Nullification. It is super effective.

Letrizia used angry water bubbles. It is super adorable.

It is nice to see Gisena and Letrizia going along so well. Letrizia seems like a sheltered girl that watched a bit too much anime and have some weird conceptions regarding heroics and normal behavior.

Gisena turned to him. "What do you think of our swimsuits, hun? Rather fetching, if I do say so myself!" Hers was a two-piece bikini of pale violet, with lace-like patterns adorning the sides.

He grunted. "Is all your clothing the same color as your hair?"

"Pretty much!" She splashed over to him, leaning onto the stones beside the pond. Looked out at the city, a slight smile graced her features. "It's hard to find shades that go well with purple. You're welcome to expand my wardrobe if you'd like..."

"Maybe after you pay off your debt," he remarked, slumping forward and briefly closing his eye. The waters held a steady, intense heat that felt almost as if they were massaging his muscles, gentle warmth that pervaded through to bone and marrow.

Gisena is trying to show off her superhuman beauty but she has no chance against the indifference of our hero. I think this is what excites her, after all if she was adored in her previous world and everybody but fellow Sorceress were simping for her, this is a breath of fresh air. Also the monochromatic theme of Sorceress is lame, add a little flavor and more colors. She is even shamelessly trying to pocket more money from our hero.

Meanwhile Hunger tries to do something weird and alien to him – he is trying to relax. Of course being a Cursebearer and a brooding widower leaves no time for such mundane pleasures. The only thing he has on his mind is his mission. That and fishing, of course.

"Aw," Gisena brushed playfully against him, hauntingly beautiful in the moonlight. "Sure I can't take out another line of credit?"

"It would be inadvisable. Debt can crush even a genius."

"But money is just a social construct!"

Meanwhile Gisena is proudly becoming a modern day socialist. Somebody else is paying for her luxurious vacation and she does not think money is important and just invented by civilization to oppress the working class. How can a noble be a socialist is beyond me, but hey, the delusion express has no brakes.



Letrizia swam over, nose upturned haughtily. "Miss Gisena, I still haven't forgiven you! Lord Hunger, do you want to review sparring partners for tomorrow?"

"Oh my, the wrath of a duchess!" Gisena winked at him. "Her fury knows no bounds! I'd best retreat before she turns truly serious."

So saying, she dove and emerged on the opposite side of the pool, sighing contentedly as she lounged against the stones.

Letrizia continues to be grade A cutie. I will imagine her revenge will be equally adorable. Probably try to scare Gisena with her mech by parking it near the window and opening its mouth filled with teeth.

Gisena is wise to escape from the wrath of a duchess.

"Only if you don't call me a lord. Now, sparring partners. Is your notebook waterproof?"

"I don't need it!" Letrizia said cheerfully. "Now with my Element enhancing my Rank, the information I need comes easily to mind with just a quick review."

"I'm proud of you."

She preened. "Well, i-it's not that big a deal. T-this is just kids' stuff compared to what I'll ultimately be able to achieve."

Well, RIP notebook, you were a worthy side character. Now Letrizia is bright and can remember everything easily. Hunger approves of the development of his charge and Letrizia responds by flustering cutely. It is not like I want your approval b-b-baka.

They discussed tactics and likely opponents both for the spars themselves and the potential recruitment to follow. Hunger was uncertain if their party wanted another member to look after, especially one that would need to be protected as nearly all Elementalists did, but couldn't avoid the fact that the Elements she described had undeniable utility in breaching the Temple.

Stop with the pretense guys. You are scouting for potential schmucks that Hunger can scam for some money. After the dinner last night the spa resort bill has grown to size that can rival Verschlengorge.

"So, tell me about your own Element, Hunger! You said it helped you beat the Rotspawn today, but what does it actually do?"



"It's a force of indiscriminate enhancement that applies to anyone immersed within. As far as I can tell, it works on all faculties of body and mind, on foe as well as friend."

"Interesting!" Gisena appeared next to Letrizia, who startled as if jolted. "Fire a bolt? I'd like to take a look."

"I can't really fire bolts..." Hunger said. "The smallest blast is still the size of a car."

Rip InkSky, you were smothered and not given a chance to grow and become your namesake. Now we enhance stuff, like that fits our legends at all. Here comes Lord Hunger, the enhancer. This would totally fuck our legend. Imagine the other option. The Evening Sky descends upon a planet and with it comes its master – Lord Hunger. Damn that is way more legendary and synergetic.

And yes, if you could not tell, I am still salty about it.

"Cars are fascinating!" Gisena replied easily. "It's translucent force, right? No one will notice!"

He loosed a blast at them. Letrizia cowered slightly before she exclaimed in awe, looking at her palms as if they held the secrets of the universe. Gisena adopted a contemplative expression before smiling smugly.

"This almost feels like findross!" She said. "Incredible, I think this is a precursor substance to actual findross itself. Blast us again, I want to test a theory..."

It is a wonder that Gisena was not hit by a car. Given her personality and general nihilism it is a miracle that she is not sticking forks into power outlets.

Meanwhile Hunger makes Letrizia high with his blasts. This is totally acceptable bodyguard behavior by the way.

Shrugging, he did so. In response she raised a palm, intercepting his blast with her own Nullity.

"As I thought. The energy isn't being nullified - that is to say, the power of Nullity isn't rendering this Element mundane. Instead, they're actually cancelling each other out! I think this contains the parts of findross that uplift and restore, elevating the mundane to the supernal. In a sense, it can be considered the opposite of my own power!"

She scooted happily over to him. "It's just as I said earlier. We're a perfect pair!"

What is the difference between nullified element and canceled out element? In practice our blast will not reach her either way.

Gisena tries to tease Hunger but as a Cursebearer he automactically receives Defining Advancement of Dense Harem Protagonist – gather all the anime females in the area without meaning to. Or he might just know not to bother with Gisena. The +Wis is paying off.



"Hm..." Letrizia thoughtfully tapped the side of the pool. "Your Element's pretty cool, Lord Hunger, even if it's not as good as my Sharpbright. If it really is related to findross as Miss Gisena says, maybe we can call it edeldross? The prefix 'edel-' refers to ennobling or improvement, especially in the context of something traditionally bad becoming good. Don't you think it suits you?"

"A fine name, but do I come off as evil?" All of his current panoply had been Abducted from one villain or another. The Forebear's Blade, the Ring from the Tyrant; even the Evening Sky had belonged to that pirate captain, though in a diminished form.

"Yep," Letrizia said obliviously, "but don't worry, it's kinda cool! And I'm sure no one would mistake your intentions once they see your work!"

"I don't know," Gisena said. "I've seen plenty of Paladins and Knight-Captains with that color scheme, or at least similar ones! I'm sure people would mistake you as a hero if you smiled more."

Letrizia is nerding out about magic, Gisena is trying her best to ruin improve the color scheme of our clothes and totally ruin the brooding protagonist image. Philistines, all of them.

"That part of my life is finished. I'm done with taking on requests for strangers with no expectation of reward."

Don`t call me a hero anymore. I am Lord Edge, murderhobo supreme.

Letrizia looked slightly disappointed. "But isn't that the best part of heroing?"

Poor Letrizia is disappointed that her super undead chimera is not a hero. Don`t worry honey, travel with Gisena and Hunger a bit more and you will become like them. Intelligent, nihilistic and with a wicked Sense of Humor.

They discussed his choice of wardrobe for several minutes more, to his moderate dismay. Tired out from overusing her Element, Letrizia eventually trailed off, mumbling to herself as she slowly fell asleep.

Cuteness overload. Letrizia probably did not know her limits yet and overused her element, but this just adds to her charm of clumsy princess duchess.





"I'll carry her back," Hunger volunteered, but Gisena laid a soft hand against his arm, eyes gentle and green.

"Let her rest here for a bit. The waters may help with her Elemental exhaustion."

"..."

"What?" She swirled around to face him directly, crossing arms beneath her cleavage. "You don't believe me?"

"...Are you trying to make her pruney again?"

Our hero tries to actually do his duty as a bodyguard and protect Letrizia from harm. Even if the harm is in the form of a prank from the female bodyguard.

Gisena giggled. "Maybe I want you to carry me instead! You have two arms, so there's no excuse to skimp out on a full princess carry."

"Hmph. I do owe you one for the Magus fight. Here to our room is a pretty short stretch. You okay with that?"

"Good point!"

She leaned back, raising one pale, slender foot out of the water. "Perhaps you can give me a massage instead?"

Dread it. Run from it. The princess carry still arrives. We knew this moment will arrive. Hunger tries to escape but he knew he is doomed.

"You slacked off the whole day, why do you need a massage?"

She gently kicked water at him, which the Evening Sky obligingly deflected. "Why not? It's a continuance of my relaxation!"

"Fine. Come here."

So the family is on vacation. Their daughter charge is sleeping and Dad is giving Mom a massage. I don`t know guys. I think this is totally normal and there is no hidden subtext at all.

The next day they set out bright and early, though the hotel staff did their best to have them stay, even offering free nights if he would but fight the Rotspawn again. Despite the tremendous economic value of their proposal, Hunger had to deny them, though he didn't rule out attacking the Rotbeast if they happened to pass through this region again. Their vacation was drawing to a close - one last bit of training against Letrizia's classmates, and he would make for the Temple again.

They'd gained much from this trip; in many senses it had been more productive than attacking the Temple directly. But every day delayed was unnecessary suffering heaped upon the Imprisoned Ring. Hunger would see to its rescue as soon as possible; other paths were unacceptable to him.

Poor spa resort residents, their only hope does not carry for them and is only thinking about a Ring. That must hurt their pride.



[ ] Forebear's Blade - Echo of the Forebear - Cloud-shadow of the Forebear's might.



Legendary strength and speed, and the resilience to exert them. Can be taken multiple times. [+Might, +Agility]

Member when this actually was a worthwhile option and not a starter pick. I member.



[ ] The Ring of Power - Dominion - 2 Arete



A ring of power does not exert influence casually. It has its own will, its own preferences, and if that will should be inseparable from its owner's, its sway thereby shall be greater for it.



The available domains for Hunger are: War

If only we knew what Rihaku had in store for us. A new better ring, with fishing and blood.

[ ] Fierce Quickening - The absurd violence of Blood unleashed. Let all that falls within its dominion be spilled, if it be in service to the Ringbearer. Adds [++Agility, +Wits] to the bonuses from Quickening, subject to the usual conditions. Can be taken up to 3 times.

Our main +Agility source. How many times we took it again? Only once? We know the evolution of Vigor and I can`t wait to see what is the 2 Arete and later the 7 Arete option.

[ ] Augment Dominion: Blood - The world-wielding will of the Ring.

Treat the wielder's Rank as if it were (.5 Low/.25 Medium/.1 High) higher for purposes of the [Ring of Power] effect applied to the Blood domain, increasing its potency and versatility. Repeatable, but costs 1 more pick each time.

If only we knew what Rihaku had in store for us. A new better ring, with fishing and blood. (this still counts towards the word count because there is no such thing as plagiarism from yourself.)



[ ] Exalted Spirit - 2 Arete. Conjunctional [Hunger, Evening Sky]. Mind made vigorous as the body. Gain +Int, +Wits, +Wis, +Cha, -Heartlessness, while in a form with physical blood. Allies under blood enhancement gain +Int, +Cha. Blood enhancement requires physical blood.

Begone -Heartlessness! We plan to become a dark and brooding lord. Not "Hunger, Fishing is magic".



[ ] Sublime Transfusion - 2 Arete. The restorative vigor of blood willingly given. The wielder may donate his blood to another in order to heal them. This applies regeneration at a rate triple the wielder's own, and this healing effect is treated as if possessing conceptual potency a full Rank higher than the wielder's baseline, minimum 7. Even organisms of different species can be revitalized through such means.

Oh wow Rank 7. If only our Ring could to that. It will be great.

[ ] Vigor Incarnate - 2 picks, 2 Arete. The glory of Blood triumphant. Let those who would stand against him cower, or be undone. A simple but exceptionally powerful option.

Adds [+++Might, ++Charisma] to the bonuses from Quickening, subject to the usual conditions.

Add your Charisma to your Protection.

Aw yiss baby. This will fix the issue with +Protection being gimped and only for the small price of 2 Arete. I am disappointed it did not win but still we will always have it available.

[ ] Edeldross Adept - 2 picks, 2 Arete. Conjunctional [Ring of Power, Evening Sky] Through a surge of genius, Hunger vastly accelerates the growth of his proficiency with Edeldross.

*Substantially improves the effects of Hunger's Edeldross training session, increasing Magnitude to +30% and imparting significant bonuses to control. He can now consistently form barriers, blasts, and basic shapes (spear, sword, boxing glove) from Edeldross.

*Hunger can now maintain close to 100% uptime on basic self Edeldross enhancement.

*Unlocks advanced Edeldross enhancement, a time-limited technique that increases his effective Magnitude by half again.

*Doubles the rate of pseudo-Grace creation in the future. This benefit is unique to the Advancement.

After paying 7 Arete so the Mage gang could be happy, who would have thought that their insatiable need to get magic will lead us to this? This is why you never give Mage gang anything, because you give them a magic system, they will eat your cloak. And yes, I am still salty about InkSky.

[ ] Evening Sky: Shadowlord - 2 picks, 7 Arete. It's rare that such conjunctions occur, but the cloak of Evening has unusual affinity for the Elements of shadow. By absorbing the power of an Element willingly offered, some of its attributes may be infused into the wearer.

*+30% AGI, +30% Manipulation

*Gain +++++++Stealth, ++++Theft

*Weave of Silence: Immune to sound- and music-based attacks.

*Attention-Deflecting Shroud: +Protection from the Evening Sky now adds to Stealth.

*Assassin's Grace: 100% Critical Strike chance when performed from ambush.

*In exchange for paying Shadowcord a kingly sum of money, she will agree to let Hunger absorb her Element. This is not a permanent reduction; her ability to summon it will return slowly over the course of two years.

*Needless to say it's far more effective to have such capabilities present in Hunger himself than to rely on relatively-weak external sources

*Consumes one additional day as you farm the money needed.

Warrior and mage. We only need thief to complete the holy trinity of anti-synerge. I still did not believe we somehow managed to escape the trap of widening our skillset without deepening it first. Because who cares about having a synergetic build when you can do everything. Badly!

1165 words until vow is kept. I intend to keep going as long as I can. We will get that EFB Ring. I ask the thread participants one thing - Belive!
 
I think that the lesson that stood out to me the most is just how powerful Apocrypha free days are. I hope that we get another chance at getting that "Apocrypha can't trigger more than one a month" mitigation.
 
Then use that to write!

But more seriously by the sound of it even a completely unmitigated maximum greed is less dangerous than the Knight Commander fight would have been. It's something we really, really, really need to stop doing.
I am not so sure about that. This fight is supposed to be harder than Vanreir and we barely won that one.

Edit: We fucked up here so my preferred strategy is maximizing the reward we can get from this encounter while minimising the danger.

Maximum Safety + Unacceptable works well for that. We likely succeed in inflitration with everything it entails while getting +1 to picks to our experience gain from this encounter. That will likely be enough picks to get an rare advancement of some sort.
 
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Flare is less effective than Maximum Safety at getting what we want from Avecarn. It is less effective at surviving the subsequent fight should negotiations break down.
 
I think that the lesson that stood out to me the most is just how powerful Apocrypha free days are. I hope that we get another chance at getting that "Apocrypha can't trigger more than one a month" mitigation.
I mean... are they? Due to bad rolls and bad choices we've faced significantly more danger over this time period than Apocryphal would have thrown at us. And that mitigation option is a horrible trap.

I am not so sure about that. This fight is supposed to be harder than Vanreir and we barely won that one.
Not exactly. He said
This guy is in many respects further above you than Vanreir was, he's Rank 6.5 after all!
But in the same comment he said
To be clear, the chance of dying with Maximal Greed is higher than most of the thread has found acceptable when explicit death %s were given, though not so high that it would cause the thread to flee the option entirely.
And bluntly the thread would Never have risked Vanrier if we had known that was who we were up against and had a choice to back off.

Flare is less effective than Maximum Safety at getting what we want from Avecarn. It is less effective at surviving the subsequent fight should negotiations break down.
Slightly. In exchange it is much more useful for our overall build and doesn't burn 14 arete on things we really didn't want to begin with.

If you really want to help you should be suggesting ways to convince him of our sincerity.
 
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Seems to me like if we choose Flare right now, we might as well go for his throat. The +2 Rank for Blood purposes can only let us influence his blood itself at present, as we lack both War and Passion Dominions. We can probably beat him with that kind of edge because of Cut Through, but it'll hurt bad and we still won't be any closer to getting into the Inner Temple.

Infiltration however requires we choose stuff that'll make not getting Rankhammered a thing. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall QM saying that Letrizia would win an argument nigh-automatically if she was at least 2 full Ranks higher than her opponent and even slightly competent. Attempting to deceive or manipulate likely follows the same rules, and I expect a 70 year veteran Outrider to be the furthest thing from socially incompetent. He's heard it all by this point.

What I'm trying to ask is: are we actually planning to Infiltrate or just power up and go to town? Those are very different approaches, in goal and execution. Trying to do both will kill us.
 
Slightly. In exchange it is much more useful for our overall build and doesn't burn 14 arete on things we really didn't want to begin with.

If you really want to help you should be suggesting ways to convince him of our sincerity.
But we didn't pick Selune so the 14 arete is the cost of having the best chance of efficient progress. I would have like Flare soon too. However, it's hardly like the stances are worthless going forward, they might even contribute to the contest of primacy.

I am suggesting we buy the mechanical prerequisites to succeed at lying to him about our sincerity. Because we are sincerely the enemy of all he stands for. Guile Defeating Stance will be very important to defend against his deceptions too - the obvious thing for him to do if he sees through us is not to try and solo us but to play along and lead us to where he has back up which makes him much more powerful.
 
This might sound crazy but, since he has no idea what our capabilities are, can we not use our Praxis powered cleaves at the start of the fight? Let him believe our attacks are strong but parriable, that our swordmanship is just a secondary skill brought to truly inhuman levels only be array of buff brought by our Dominion and Edeldross, and then, when he shifts his strategy accordingly, turn the tables on him all of a sudden and shear through his defenses like paper mache.

Edit: We could of course sell this bluff much better if we had Crimson Flare, but in my opinion it would work even without it. Vanreir was after all brought down before we got Praxis (or even Cut Though), and even if they have realized how impressive our growth is (and told Avecarn about it, though he laments that he knows nothing about the R-Type so I wouldn't know) we got more than powerful enough to fall in line with their expectations even before considering Praxis.
 
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This might sound crazy but, since he has no idea what our capabilities are, can we not use our Praxis powered cleaves at the start of the fight? Let him believe our attacks are strong but parriable, that our swordmanship is just secondary compared to the array of effects of our Dominion and Edeldross, and then, when he shifts his strategy accordingly, turn the tables on him all of a sudden and shear through his defenses like paper mache.

How deceptive. I like it! And it's also likely that Cut Through will be capable of piercing his defenses due to Praxis > Rank! Smart.
 
Lost electricity. Thunderstorm. Tablet nowhere near fully charged.

Fairly likely to be unable to post any further reactions today.

Sorry.
 
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How deceptive. I like it! And it's also likely that Cut Through will be capable of piercing his defenses due to Praxis > Rank! Smart.
Thanks! :tongue: My only issue with it is that for avoiding any hints which Avecarn might catch on to we should forgo to use Praxis entirely, even defensively. Though our stat superiority should be more than enough to deal with physical vectors of attack and far as I know praxis itself wouldn't deal with more esoteric ways to harm us anyway...

Still, Hunger is (and will be for a long time) a One-Hit Wonder thanks to Praxis, so we should come up to a great deal of strategy focused on landing that very first hit. Phantom is extremely useful for that, since it allows Hunger to over extend and still be in condition to fight even after what the enemy would consider an instantly delibitating blow but, right now, we should keep Phantom in reserve for a possible escape if we aren't bringing our allies to the fight.

As for why, say that Avecarn has a way to survive our first Praxis Cleave but is substantially impaired for it, keeping our physical form is absolutely crucial to capitalize on that since our spiritual on is substantially inferior and would leave us greatly weakened as well. We would both be fighting crippled, and there wouldn't be much shift in who's got the upper hand at that point.
 
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Scarlet Legion reaction 776 words

Scarlet Legion
Burgeoning under the weight of all they'd consumed, the two of them stumbled and Gisena gracefully strode into their suite to recover from the feast. It was an elegant series of rooms, sparsely decorated yet opulent. Swooping calligraphies and handworks of glazed porcelain decorated the walls, while the doorknobs and countertops were carved from lucent jade; a single bonsai shedding cherry blossoms graced the entrance hall. The austere refinement of clean lines and floors contrasted with the plush extravagance gracing every surface liable to human touch. Their room looked out onto a small courtyard of textured stonework and peach trees, beneath which plunged the unspoiled slope of the mountain, its harrowing incline revealing the city beneath in all its glittering splendor. The windows were presently open, bare to the icy wind of the high mountain, but small runnels of Elixir water framed the room entire, their delicate steam warding off any imprecation of the cold.

Our trio has a truly opulent suite. It is a shame that they are on the verge of food induced coma. It is a shame that Rihaku spend so much time describing the room and Hunger just ignored it.

Hunger reached out and grabbed a peach from a branch sagging under its fresh, ripe weight. It was delightful, the sun-bright sweetness of its flesh contrasting with the frost-dusted texture of its skin. This, nonsensically, was closer to eating a fish off one's own line. He smiled.

In a nonsensical show of solidarity, Gisena and Letrizia decided to delay their enjoyment of the public baths to the next night, stating they didn't want Hunger to be left out.

Have you been watching Toriko lately Rihaku? The description of the food is reaching Shokugeki no Soma (Letrizia`s favorite anime) level but Hunger is a macho shounen type so Toriko it is.

Also the mental contamination from the 4Bear is complete. Hunger needs to catch his own food or else he will not feel satisfied. The Curse of the Hunter has him in its talons now.

Meanwhile Letrizia understood that without Hunger she alone has to handle Gisena. Coming up with a lame excuse is an acceptable alternative rather than the military grade teasing.

"We'll just enjoy the waters in the suite! Besides, there're magical experiments to be done!" Gisena stared at him through the distorting glass of one of Letrizia's vials.

"What are we even paying for if you're not going to use the hot springs?" Hunger grumbled.

"It'll be all for naught if we don't use them together," Gisena said dramatically, laying her hands against her chest. "And that would be the greatest loss of all. Why not enjoy the spring water in our room today? There's no point in you bathing as a ghost, so just think of it as an incentive not to get your physical form killed tomorrow!"

"But then... how would I know I trained my hardest?" He raised his eyebrows.

Letrizia smacked him on the shoulder. "You joke now, but continue along this path and in a few months that's what you'll really believe!"

He looked blankly at her. "It is what I really believe."

Gisena used Guilt Trip. It is not very effective.

Hunger uses Dense Shounen protagonist training regime logic(or DSPTR because vowels are evil). It is super effective.

"Moving on," Gisena said lightly, "Isn't this even better, sampling the full gamut of experiences? One night in the room, one in the baths."

"I want to try awakening my Element first!" Letrizia said. "If I'm a mage, will the Voyaging Realm still try to stop me from extracting you? There's surprisingly little literature on this."

"What are you going to do if it does try to stop you?" He looked around. "We're hardly prepared for an apocalypse."

"My bodyguard will protect me!" Letrizia declared. "At the rate your strength is growing, that shouldn't be too unrealistic, right?"

"Perhaps. But can your country afford to pay those rates?"

Dismayed but not defeated Gisena moves on. Unfortunately Letrizia has a cunning plan. If the Voyaging realm stops the extraction of mages Letrizia will become one to see what happens. For science! And if the realm itself tries to stop her she will just throw her supper juggernaut undead chimera at it. With a plan this cunning, what could possibly go wrong?

*Somewhere Apocryphal Curse perks up 'I smell a simple and foolproof plan, I need to interfere'*

Hunger is hero no more and demands payment. He makes murderhobos proud.

"That's hardly my problem!" She turned up her nose. "Though, I am hoping to have Verschlengorge repaired before then. Maybe we can find a magus capable of doing it, or we can just incrementally heal him up with your Ring. It's been strange to be the one protected these past weeks. I've been dying to show you guys what we can really do!"

"...Speaking of Verschlengorge, where is he parked?"

"The separatists are looking after him. Don't worry, they know better than to call down the wrath of the Empire. In normal cases the greater Empire doesn't really have the Armaments to spare for small rebellions like this one, but that clemency would swiftly cease if they were brazen enough to steal actual Armaments!"

"It's all right, they're appropriately terrified of her station," Gisena assured him. "The privilege of nobility!"

Awww, how cute. Letrizia wants to show off her giant robot in front of her bodyguards. Speaking of Verschlengorge I have this mental image of Letrizia trying to park the giant mech and his eyes are just giant parking lights while the pilot inside is trying to park it and cursing at some Armors that have been parked by assholes.

It is nice to have such a fearsome reputation that you don`t have to lock your Armament in the bad parts of the Voyaging Realm. The privilege of nobility indeed.

He rolled his eyes. "Onwards then. Let me have a look at that blood."

"Magic~ magic~" Letrizia clapped her hands happily. Gisena put on a brave smile, but there was just the barest flicker of emotion in her eyes, bitter perhaps at the thought that, though there hardly was a more talented Sorceress, her powers would only ever allow her to unmake what was wondrous, drag down the supernal into the grey mundane. So brief he could have imagined it. Hunger said nothing.

Hunger is bored, Letrizia is happy that she will become a mage and Gisena has a rare slip up of her mask and showed that despite being the ultimate cock block anti-mage she actually wants to be a creator of miracles and not a destroyer. Perhaps this is the root of her drive to seek science advancements. Magic wonders are beyond her but science wonders can be in her grasp if she relies on her intellect.

The process of unlocking 'High Elementalism,' Gisena theorized, ought be shockingly trivial for someone with access to the Ring of Blood. He merely had to heighten a few obscure properties of the target's blood, and then when exposed to a sufficient quantity of apex-grade Elixir Water they would naturally awaken to their Element.

He supposed any magical system with steep and obscure requirements would not have arisen organically in an otherwise mundane society of settlers. As far as Gisena'd seen, The waters of the spring were both temporary and wholly unique. Perhaps the settlers had merely gotten stupendously lucky, or some agent had not caused them to stumble upon the springs.

"Okay, let's do this!" Gisena cheered. "Ready, hun?"

Letrizia: It seems that these waters unlock some inherent cells in our bodies. I think I will call them Midi-chlo…

Hunger: NO! This is the path of hatedom and evil.

He placed a hand on Letrizia's head, focusing intently. The Ring of Blood responded to his intentions and would never accidentally harm an ally, but this was complex work still, operating on a number of esoteric sanguine qualities that only existed in trace amounts under standard conditions.

Letrizia blushed, but stood stock still, the very picture of stoic determination.

"Okay, that should do it." He raised his hand. "I'm maintaining the enhancement now. Go."

Hunger is not fooling anyone, he wants to pat Letrizia`s head. The urge to pat is strong indeed. Meanwhile the young duchess is flustered but she tries to remain composed. How cute!

Gisena and Letrizia quickly ran into the master bathroom, and he heard the low crash of onrushing waters as Gisena turned all the high-powered faucets of the bath to full blast. A (presumably) torrential blast of water struck Letrizia.

"Is this really necessary?" Letrizia yelped. She gave a brief shriek of embarrassment. "Miss Gisena!!"

"Hm? My dress is wet too, and I'm not even getting new magics out of this!"

"I liked this school uniform!"

"But isn't it the uniform of seperatist scum?"

Gisena discovered the secret of water under pressure. Letrizia was just unlucky to be near her and fell victim to the torrential water blast. At least Letrizia will be a mage soon. Her uniform is ruined though. Gisena is wrong here about the ruined uniform – the Germans in world war 2 had bitchin uniform design (courtesy of Hugo Boss)

"Any reaction?" He yelled into the room.

Gisena's head popped out. "Yup, it's working perfectly! A little too well, actually. She's absorbing all the magic in the waters, so we'll have to maintain a constant flow. This should be ultimately be a good thing. The more magic she absorbs, the stronger the elemental catalysis reaction, and the more impressive her eventual Element will be! It may take a few hours. Will you have any trouble keeping her blood enhanced for the duration?"

"A few hours?!" Letrizia screamed. "I don't wanna get all pruney! Eewww..."

He frowned. "The blood augmentation shouldn't be a problem. And considering how much we paid, water use really shouldn't be an issue, but they might inquire and object. That would be my primary concern."

If they did, it might activate the Tyrant's Doom, leaving him no choice but to defy them.

If few hours in a bath and becoming pruney is the price to pay to become a mage is something too much I have to question Letrizia`s upbringing. But Hunger is wondering if draining all the water of the spa resort will lead to annoying questions and probably the worst word to him – a demand. We were lucky that so far we did not had a Tyrant`s proc but this will change. It is a real tragedy that a simple demand to do something according to a law can in worst case scenario lead to massacre.



Gisena shrugged, stepping out. Gently she gathered her damp hair and squeezed it out onto a towel. "It's for a good cause. Well, we still have some money, right? Maybe I'll step outside and bribe the desk staff, ensure their high-ups never get a good look at this particular oversight? It would be a shame if they tried to impose some meaningless rules on us and you were forced to kill them all!"

"I wouldn't have to kill them," he grunted. "I'd just refuse to stop using their water, which might escalate into the use of force, which might force me to kill them all. But that would be on them."

"So, you're not going to let me steal your money?" Gisena pouted.

"If the Sovereignty's currency is so important to you," he said magnanimously, "then you may have it, no need for false pretenses. Don't think this erases your earlier debt, however."

"I would never dream of it!" Gisena happily took the money and returned a few minutes later, having secured the cooperation of the desk staff.

But if there is a will, there is a way. Money + supernaturally beautiful charismatic memetic hazard can grease a lot of wheels. Top tier pick and is paying for itself.

Many tedious hours later, it was finally done.

Letrizia emerged, body swaddled in a pink terrycloth robe. "Guhh... I'm completely shriveled and I don't feel any more magical at all."

"Give it a night, dear." Gisena examined her curiously, eyes green and bright. "The Element is definitely percolating. It has yet to take form!"

Letrizia yawned, swaying slightly. "Okay, Miss Gisena. I'll... give it a shot..."

Gisena caught her and shot Hunger a smile. "Looking forward to doing this yourself tomorrow?"

"Spa resort, water is magical" new season is looking good. Letrizia still acts like someone that is half her age but it just adds to the charm and 'protect that smile' theme.

"What about you? Is Sorcery is the only path for one of the Maiden's followers?"

She shook her head. "I already know which Element this process would give me. Sad to say it would be totally redundant! Perhaps the Maidengrace is too prescient, or simply too powerful to countermand..."

"Perhaps I'll forge you an artifact that does something novel. Save us from death another nine times and we'll call it square."

"Only nine?" Gisena giggled. "So I can expect something tomorrow?"

"How conceited... after we're safely finished with the Temple, maybe. But you'll have to work extra hard to earn it."



She flashed him a salute. "Aye-aye, captain!"

Banter is on point as usual. I would have really liked a Gisena interlude. Seeing stuff from her point of view will be incredibly interesting. The Maiden continues to cock block Gisena`s magic. Ironic, she could nullify everything but her own power.

They retired to their chambers for the night. As usual, Hunger fell into a deep, dreamless sleep. He was awoken the next day by Letrizia.

"HOLY SHIT, I CAN DO MAGIC!!"

"...Ugh." He blinked open his eyes. It had definitely not been nine hours.

"I'M A WIZARD, HUNGER!"
Hunger is larping as a tired father that can finally rest for a bit, but his hyperactive daughter has been reading Harry Potter all night and can`t wait to tell him everything about it.

389 words more and my time in the Arete mines will be done.

EDIT: 2389 words remaining

Lost electricity. Thunderstorm. Tablet nowhere near fully charged.

Fairly likely to be unable to post any further reactions today.

Sorry.
Shit man, sorry to hear it. It seems my watch has not ended yet. I will try to write 2k more words in your place.
 
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If there's one thing to be appreciative of in the tribulation we're facing, it's that we're showing solidarity.

Solidarity in Salt. We might have procced the Doom of Anti-Synergy, but we've definitely gotten that EFB for teamwork. I think.
 
[X] Unacceptable

[X] Maximal Greed
[X] Maximum Safety
Approval voting here - if we can get to 24 arete, maximal greed to get flare. If we can't get to 24 arete, maximum safety so that we don't die. It spends a lot, but sometimes you need to do that.
 
Mh, looking back again at Avecarn's description we pretty much know nothing about his capabilities beside that the Doom of the Tyrant must hate this guy with a passion. It does also state that he won't be taking undue risks since he's been tempered by age (and something about people taking risks never leaving that much anyway, ah!) and that he will be expecting Hunger to have some sort of trump card. I'd say that means he will try to wittle us down without exposing himself at first, and this might change only once he realizes how much of a rank-penetrating tool (rank being his main real advantage against us) Praxis can be.

Even with him being cautious, I'm still tempted not to go all out at the beginning. We would have two main trump cards for this fight, one tactical and one desperate (sudden praxis being the former and "I lived bitch, I'm a ghost now" being the latter). I say we try to disrupt his rhythm by only revealing praxis when it's truly necessary, go for a mix of ranged and close-combat approach before that, throw in some Ruin-backed punch as well so he starts to split his focus between the sword and our bare-handed attacks, and if we manage to get a good hit that we feel he will physically parry rather than dodge, split him in twain alongside a good chunck of the landscape behind him probably.

If he lucks out/outclevers us and manages to dodge that, than I feel that the show will be intimidating enough to have him hurry to end the fight as soon as can be. Ideally, this would throw him off his rhythm and make him frantic but even if he manages to mantain a cool-head after the near-death experience, the most appropriate tactical consideration he will make is to focus on the offensive since any defensive measure would only help him up to a point. This then comes down to a showdown of pure combat-power and he'll probably have an advantage thanks to his Rank, but when you focus so much on killing the threat before you... Well, what happens after that becomes an afterthought at best, and that's exactly what will give us one last chance to ruin his day when we leave our earthly vessel and do an attempt at "Split in twain alongside landscape, Take 2".

If that still doesn't work, than by god run like hell cause this is a tougher cookie than we can chew at the moment.
 
My last three comments (which were 99% strategic considerations) put together are 812 words, do they help as well with generating Arete?

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This might sound crazy but, since he has no idea what our capabilities are, can we not use our Praxis powered cleaves at the start of the fight? Let him believe our attacks are strong but parriable, that our swordmanship is just a secondary skill brought to truly inhuman levels only be array of buff brought by our Dominion and Edeldross, and then, when he shifts his strategy accordingly, turn the tables on him all of a sudden and shear through his defenses like paper mache.

We could of course sell this bluff much better if we had Crimson Flare, but in my opinion it would work even without it. Vanreir was after all brought down before we got Praxis (or even Cut Though), and even if they have realized how impressive our growth is (and told Avecarn about it, though he laments that he knows nothing about the R-Type so I wouldn't know) we got more than powerful enough to fall in line with their expectations even before considering Praxis.

My only issue with it is that for avoiding any hints which Avecarn might catch on to we should forgo to use Praxis entirely, even defensively. Though our stat superiority should be more than enough to deal with physical vectors of attack and far as I know praxis itself wouldn't deal with more esoteric ways to harm us anyway...

Still, Hunger is (and will be for a long time) a One-Hit Wonder thanks to Praxis, so we should come up to a great deal of strategy focused on landing that very first hit. Phantom is extremely useful for that, since it allows Hunger to over extend and still be in condition to fight even after what the enemy would consider an instantly delibitating blow but, right now, we should keep Phantom in reserve for a possible escape if we aren't bringing our allies to the fight.

As for why, say that Avecarn has a way to survive our first Praxis Cleave but is substantially impaired for it, keeping our physical form is absolutely crucial to capitalize on that since our spiritual on is substantially inferior and would leave us greatly weakened as well. We would both be fighting crippled, and there wouldn't be much shift in who's got the upper hand at that point.

Looking back again at Avecarn's description we pretty much know nothing about his capabilities beside that the Doom of the Tyrant must hate this guy with a passion. It does also state that he won't be taking undue risks since he's been tempered by age (and something about people taking risks never leaving that much anyway, ah!) and that he will be expecting Hunger to have some sort of trump card. I'd say that means he will try to wittle us down without exposing himself at first, and this might change only once he realizes how much of a rank-penetrating tool (rank being his main real advantage against us) Praxis can be.

Even with him being cautious, I'm still tempted not to go all out at the beginning. We would have two main trump cards for this fight, one tactical and one desperate (sudden praxis being the former and "I lived bitch, I'm a ghost now" being the latter). I say we try to disrupt his rhythm by only revealing praxis when it's truly necessary, go for a mix of ranged and close-combat approach before that, throw in some Ruin-backed punch as well so he starts to split his focus between the sword and our bare-handed attacks, and if we manage to get a good hit that we feel he will physically parry rather than dodge, split him in twain alongside a good chunck of the landscape behind him probably.

If he lucks out/outclevers us and manages to dodge that, than I feel that the show will be intimidating enough to have him hurry to end the fight as soon as can be. Ideally, this would throw him off his rhythm and make him frantic but even if he manages to mantain a cool-head after the near-death experience, the most appropriate tactical consideration he will make is to focus on the offensive since any defensive measure would only help him up to a point. This then comes down to a showdown of pure combat-power and he'll probably have an advantage thanks to his Rank, but when you focus so much on killing the threat before you... Well, what happens after that becomes an afterthought at best, and that's exactly what will give us one last chance to ruin his day when we leave our earthly vessel and do an attempt at "Split in twain alongside landscape, Take 2".

If that still doesn't work, than by god run like hell cause this is a tougher cookie than we can chew at the moment.
Removing the meaningless stuff it's 808 words in total, might add some more later if I can think of something up.

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To reiterate, we need Avecarn to consider avoiding our sword inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. I wouldn't suggest dialing down the power of Ruin, cause that could be seen as an obvious "please get hit" sign to an experienced fighter. What we need to do is subtly hint Avecarn towards an expectations of our capabilities different to that of our true build. Why does Hunger use the sword? Well, he can't throw sword-winds otherwise, and it's the most effective ranged option he has since Edeldross blasts aren't lethal. Okay, but why use it in close-combat then? You see, his sword might not be more powerful than his bare-handed attacks but it's a good distraction anyway, cause an inattentive opponent will naturally expect the big pointy object as more lethal than the fist and by baiting someone into avoiding his slashes he can land far more punches (and kicks, and headbutts) on them.

At that point, not focusing too much on the sword so you can avoid a flurry of Ruin-backed unarmed attacks almost seems like a good idea! And this is with trying not to make the bait too overt, but just a natural conclusion of observing our fighting style with us only changing very little from the real thing. We're not even looking weak (or that we may be feigning weakness), since we could have totally beaten Vanreir fighting like this too!
Added 235 words of me elaborating the strategy (I seriously hope that Avecarn's unknown fighting style doesn't invalidate this plan in some way, I feel we could have a much better shot at beating him with this), with a total of 1043 spoilered word count.
 
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For ease of reference, you can probably make an edit in your latest post with all the thoughts compiled. It'll make Orm's life a bit easier for the fanwork tracking list, and for Rihaku who'll probably give everything a general review of things.
 
I'm actually not entire clear on what the visual effects of Edeldross use look like, but I figure if we're going up to gate guards with the idea of Gisena talking to them, we'd buff her beforehand and have already asked her to do the talking first.

If their approaching us, Hunger or her could just say that it's a precautionary measure, which given this is a all stats buff isn't even a lie. I'm sure we're not the only magic user in the entire Voyaging Realm that has a buff routine.
Slightly more seriously, it is more about when the party is surprised by someone who they need to talk down. For instance, if the current opponent sees the group first, and confronts them.

If it's just regular police persons out in the Human Sphere, then yea, Hunger is probably charismatic enough he can get away with something like:

Scene opens with Hunger, sword deep in a screaming soon to be corpse, standing amidst a pile of bodies. Police patrol rounds the corner.

Police: What!? Hands in air, drop the weapon!

Hunger rolling his eyes: Not happening.

Gisena pats Hunger on the shoulder, walks towards police: Let me handle this, they're not worth your time.

Hunger palms a ball of edelross, and empowers Gisena as she walks past while his hand is hidden from the police's view.

Gisena: Not to worry, this is all clearly a misunderstanding!

Dying guy screams in pain.

Hunger: stop that, the lady is speaking. Don't you know it's rude to interrupt?


yeeea boiiiyeee
I was going for a traditional Priest-style cast lineup and this happened instead
Now that is the finest hype squad the Voyaging Realm has ever seen.

But I have to admit, it is rather disheartening to go on vacation, come back literally 1000x as strong with a 25 Arete option purchased, and still be in suicidal danger against something that could very easily have been the next encounter otherwise.

I suppose it does suggest that Rank is just that much greater than stats, possibly.
 
So we are presenting Hunger as a mercenary, what do we claim is his price? Obviously we don't say "Your Ring" but what can the Temple offer that might plausibly keep Hunger bought? Single civilisation currency is meh at our level unless there is a unique service we can only buy there. It needs to be something they'll expect to scale with a known R type.

I'd say we don't know enough to ask for something specific ourselves so what we want is to get Avecarn selling the value of Inner Temple credit to us by playing a bit hard to get - we could take a contract but why should we? - sort of thing.

It's still a deceptive position against an excellent bullshit detector so we need maximum stat support.
 
Slightly more seriously, it is more about when the party is surprised by someone who they need to talk down. For instance, if the current opponent sees the group first, and confronts them.

If it's just regular police persons out in the Human Sphere, then yea, Hunger is probably charismatic enough he can get away with something like:

Scene opens with Hunger, sword deep in a screaming soon to be corpse, standing amidst a pile of bodies. Police patrol rounds the corner.

Police: What!? Hands in air, drop the weapon!

Hunger rolling his eyes: Not happening.

Gisena pats Hunger on the shoulder, walks towards police: Let me handle this, they're not worth your time.

Hunger palms a ball of edelross, and empowers Gisena as she walks past while his hand is hidden from the police's view.

Gisena: Not to worry, this is all clearly a misunderstanding!

Dying guy screams in pain.

Hunger: stop that, the lady is speaking. Don't you know it's rude to interrupt?



Now that is the finest hype squad the Voyaging Realm has ever seen.

But I have to admit, it is rather disheartening to go on vacation, come back literally 1000x as strong with a 25 Arete option purchased, and still be in suicidal danger against something that could very easily have been the next encounter otherwise.

I suppose it does suggest that Rank is just that much greater than stats, possibly.
I don't think we are anywhere near close to 1000x stronger, not even close in the slightest I believe. and Cut through was mostly an potential based EFB.

Our current situation is just the result of the unwillingness to spent Arete when we had the chance on good options.
 
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