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Zampano said:
Can't help but feel that my support of Not Dying has allowed Others to maneuver the thread to the brink of abandoning all magic in favor of the Tripartite Imperial Sword.

I fear that I may be on the cusp of a decision to renounce my membership in Not Dying and instead mindlessly vote for el STATS
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I don't think any voters actually prefer Triple Sword over Balanced Artifacts, it was just seen as more practical before Crimson Flare was introduced. That said, even Crimson Flare doesn't offer a perfect win% against someone this far above you in Rank, and victory in social combat would be a lot more likely with Hero-Defeating Stance + Guile-Defeating Stance. The combination of those two stances + Shadowcord to help you deflect attention after gaining passage would make your guys' initial plan of Infiltration quite viable!

Taka said:
[X] Fine
[X] Maximum Safety
[X] Kinda Safe

Temporary vote. If we end up not getting enough Arete in time. Big Oof.
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Having to buy some stances is certainly not the end of the world! They're pretty good value for the Arete too, offering piecemeal build up to an EFB-equivalent and rare stats.

ImperatorV said:
Well, there was a magic duel this update, I can likely get a good reaction post from that. Tomorrow anyway, it's far to late tonight to be spending 1+ hours writing stuff. I have no idea how Rihaku gets updates out so fast when I take more then an hour to throw out a reaction, which is by definition easier then original content.
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Experience.
 
@Rihaku: Can we do a write-in vote to buy Crimson Flare, under the assumption we have enough arete for it before we meet him?

Assuming we reject Shadowcord that puts us a mere 4.5 arete away, which we can definitely panic-earn.
 
[X] Fine
[X] Maximal Greed

The Marshall is the one that is the most likely to accept diplomacy, and failing that once we escape the fight we'll be able to attempt more conventionally sneaking into the Inner Temple since we'll have Shadowcord aong.
 
Honestly, while Ruling Ring was my preference and Trinity still draws quite a bit of appeal due to its overall synergy and balance, the fact that we might have to spend so much Arete to survive is kind of pushing me towards just grabbing 3 EFBs in Forebear's Blade. Not optimal considering my preference is for investing in Potential-type EFBs but if we have to spend Arete against the High Marshall anyway, I'm kind of becoming more curious as to what the 3 EFB Blade Special Advancement is. While I'm pretty ok with Crimson Flare as our Ring EFB, I'm kind of concerned the thread will never go for Ruling Ring due to fears over the contest of primacy and who knows when we can pick up a Potential-focused EFB afterwards.

If that's the case, Blade EFBs, Forebear lore and pure power is looking more attractive since the thread's preferences are pretty split between Total Eclipse and Pillars of Creation and no one is willing to go for Ruling Ring cause the threat of the Ring contest is too much for most people. Not committing to anything yet but my plans are really beginning to waver.
 
[X] Unacceptable
[X] Maximal Greed

Placeholder vote while waiting to see if Rihaku will allow us to just outright buy Crimson Flare here, if we earn it.

On that note: We should push to earn as much arete as possible, regardless of which position we are holding.

2k words from every voter! We can do it! it only takes about 30 mins to an hour to write that in reacts if you have them outstanding. Or just start writing about things that never were, or whatever you feel like!
 
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Byzantine said:
@Rihaku: Can we do a write-in vote to buy Crimson Flare, under the assumption we have enough arete for it before we meet him?

Assuming we reject Shadowcord that puts us a mere 4.5 arete away, which we can definitely panic-earn.
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Addressed upthread ^

Dark Abstraction said:
[X] Fine
[X] Maximal Greed

The Marshall is the one that is the most likely to accept diplomacy, and failing that once we escape the fight we'll be able to attempt more conventionally sneaking into the Inner Temple since we'll have Shadowcord aong.
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To be clear, the chance of dying with Maximal Greed is higher than most of the thread has found acceptable when explicit death %s were given, though not so high that it would cause the thread to flee the option entirely. This guy is in many respects further above you than Vanreir was, he's Rank 6.5 after all!
 
Dark Abstraction said:
For all the people that argued against InkSky by saying "We just voted for this character and she won't even show up" or "We can get it later since we're hiring her", I would like to note that if you vote Unacceptable now you will be hypocrites, since you'll be disregarding your own argument because it's convenient to you not to stand by them anymore. Just wanted to mention it.

#SaltyForever
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That was Shadowlord.
 
[x]Fine
[x]Maximum Safety

Honestly, this whole situation is... predictable. Flare was stated to be sub-optimal in this fight, while Rihaku stated that both would be difficult encounters, and that Letrizia's cousin was the safer option.

And Silver Lost, I'm really freaking salty.

@Rihaku theoretically, how would a Silver Hunger stack up against the marshall compared to Flare Hunger and Maximum safety Hunger?

Somewhat redundant since we can't snap-buy Silver, but I'm curious about raw power.
 
Goddamn it, my cable internet fell just after my post! Have I been struck by the curse of Phoneposting!?
Will vote later since even copying stuff is a pain, but since I bear some responsibility for this, I'm going to start writing some stuff. Hopefully my internet returns in time so I can post it.
 
Rihaku said:
To be clear, the chance of dying with Maximal Greed is higher than most of the thread has found acceptable when explicit death %s were given, though not so high that it would cause the thread to flee the option entirely. This guy is in many respects further above you than Vanreir was, he's Rank 6.5 after all!
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I know, it's disgustingly risky as voting options go. It just leaves a horribly bad taste in my mouth to vote for any of the stances when arete generation might let us just get an EFB instead.

Which isn't to say I don't want Guile- and World-Defeating Stance, because I think they're both great. I just don't want them now, because they build into All-Defeating Stance, which is another Forebear's Blade EFB and I absolutely don't want to go the route of three🐻🐻🐻🐻 EFBs instead of a balanced Trinity approach.
 
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Rihaku said:
"Jeez. As expected of the Reckoner, I guess. You're pretty cool for an old guy!"
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You're pretty cool for a teenager, Aobaru! Did not expect an unknown High Elementalist Surgecrafter to get so much screen time, but the tips and tricks were neat... even if we're setting a bad example for Letrizia by gambling.

[X] Fine
[X] Somewhat Safe

Well, this is pretty much as-expected but I can feel our chances at Trinity plummeting by the second. Aeira's assistance provides more utility than 0.8 Arete and +1 pick... unless we want to try and push for Crimson Flare this update? That's... just barely within the thread's Arete-generation capabilities? 18.7 + 0.8 = 19.5, 4.5 Arete away from Flare. 3.5 with debt, but somehow I don't think we want Arete debt when facing off against Avecarn. It's an EFB, if not the best one for this fight.
 
Orm Embar said:
Well, this is pretty much as-expected but I can feel our chances at Trinity plummeting by the second. Aeira's assistance provides more utility than 0.8 Arete and +1 pick... unless we want to try and push for Crimson Flare this update? That's... just barely within the thread's Arete-generation capabilities? 18.7 + 0.8 = 19.5, 4.5 Arete away from Flare. 3.5 with debt, but somehow I don't think we want Arete debt when facing off against Avecarn.
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4.5 is about equal to our capacity when seriously debating, if we look at Uttermost, etc.

I'll certainly do my part.

This does require us to reject Shadowcord, though.
 
Rihaku said:
I don't think any voters actually prefer Triple Sword over Balanced Artifacts
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I wish I shared your optimism. I'm cultivating salt, however, and I do not want to provoke any acrimony yet. Arete generation is more efficient as word-count rises so if I pick a fight prematurely I won't generate the maximum number of Arete points.

Xalvitor said:
[x]Fine
[x]Maximum Safety

Honestly, this whole situation is... predictable. Flare was stated to be sub-optimal in this fight, while Rihaku stated that both would be difficult encounters, and that Letrizia's cousin was the safer option.

And Silver Lost, I'm really freaking salty.

@Rihaku theoretically, how would a Silver Hunger stack up against the marshall compared to Flare Hunger and Maximum safety Hunger?

Somewhat redundant since we can't snap-buy Silver, but I'm curious about raw power.
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Loss of Silver is much more painful than I expected considering that I've worked harder on other votes that lost.

If you can turn your salt into Omakes, we still might not die.
 
Talace said:
[ ] Fumbleborn - Some, like the Wolfborn of Rioja are born with incredible strength. Others, like the Ravenborn of Ballaugh are born with mental acuity and swiftness of wit. You are born with a preternatural predilection, nay, a talent for fumbling. Trip over untied shoelaces, dodge an oncoming crossbow bolt. Say something rude on accident, make a companion for life. Your fumbles are greatness enshrouded, inconsequential and worldshaking at the same time.

*Your start out as a fumbler of cataclysmic potential. You will grow to become a legend, given time.
*You have an alotted 10 Fumbles per day. Mechanically, the outcome of a Fumble is represented by a tremendous boost on the rolltable when a stat check or a random encounter roll is failed.
*Fumbles also act as an autonomic defense system, automatically expending themselves in order to save your life. In these scenarios, you may still take minor injuries as a consequence of narrowly escaping with your life.
*Be careful not to get too skilled at something-- in many cases, minorly passing a skill check can have worse outcomes than harshly failing it! Be careful as well not to expend your Fumbles before the day is over-- a skilled opponent will take advantage of your powerless and defenseless state.
*Hail the Fumbleborn, lord of the lost and king of the found.
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Shard said:
Competance - Mastery itself.

Command over the domain of skill itself. What does humanity strive for, in the end, if not mastery of their own domain, the exaltation of their own skill? The child, who stumbles walking, who comes to a run eventually; The warrior, from a fumbling swordsman to a hero of legend.

* The domain of 'skill' is absurd and massive.
* Sample Effects: Elevate a neophyte to preternatural skill or reduce an assassin of legend to a fumbling fool. Induce miscasts in enemy spellcasters and they make newbie mistakes. The effects are as varied as they are hilarious. At high levels, cause chaos as enemies critically fumble and stab each other or themselves by accident, or as spells are targeted at the wrong person.
* Somewhat context dependent power. Extreme utility effects if one can find appropriate magical allies - Trivialize the ease of grand rituals or the creation of legendary artifacts, etc, etc.
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Thanks, I love it. I'm tremendously amused that the two are so contrary to one another. I love this wacky gaggle of questers we have, you two included. It really means a lot to me to be acknowledged like this.

[X] Unacceptable
[X] Maximum Safety

So, with my teary-eyed sentiment out of the way, that's my vote. when RED is safe(ish), what's a man to do?

Aeria came off as an adorable stammering cinnamon bun aspiring to be a hardass. Absolutely not allowed to come die with us, no way no how. My goodness.

I'm super busy tomorrow but I may actually end up swayed by tactics on this one. There's some intriguing potential with Guile-Defeating-Stance in play, no pun intended. The machinations of the council seem hostile to basically everyone who isn't the council, so we probably count as a target once we're actually under their umbrella, which we would be when ostensibly working for Grandpa. If they've got any kind of a shadowy conspiracy hostile to Mr. gardening and grandkids, it should be still crazy hard relatively easy to turn him to our cause, provided we can better his circumstances and that of his family. As a progression type aiming for blood-uplifting (which I'm voting to delay, whoops!) we could offer an alternative source of competitive power for his people, or asylum in the Human Sphere.

So yea, tossing in this conservative vote before I sleep, expecting to flip flop tomorrow once I get caught up and read everything. Good luck guys.
 
Shard said:
4.5 with Arete Debt.
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Not recommended against this enemy.

Byzantine said:
[X] Unacceptable
[X] Maximal Greed

Placeholder vote while waiting to see if Rihaku will allow us to just outright buy Crimson Flare here, if we earn it.

On that note: We should push to earn as much arete as possible, regardless of which position we are holding.

2k words from every voter! We can do it! it only takes about 30 mins to an hour to write that in reacts if you have them outstanding. Or just start writing about things that never were, or whatever you feel like!
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As mentioned earlier, I wouldn't rely on Crimson Flare as your only strategy. It's unlikely, but I could update at say, 3 PM tomorrow, well before most omake-writers finish their work.

Xalvitor said:
[x]Fine
[x]Maximum Safety

Honestly, this whole situation is... predictable. Flare was stated to be sub-optimal in this fight, while Rihaku stated that both would be difficult encounters, and that Letrizia's cousin was the safer option.
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Mm, in a way this choice was admirable from the voter base. Gondar would have lower chances of killing Hunger directly, but higher chances of killing a companion. This foe absorbs most of the threat into Hunger himself, despite the total threat % being higher. Selune would have been much safer, but that's a given considering her Arete cost.

Orm Embar said:
You're pretty cool for a teenager, Aobaru! Did not expect an unknown High Elementalist Surgecrafter to get so much screen time, but the tips and tricks were neat... even if we're setting a bad example for Letrizia by gambling.
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Aobaru's a Fiery Protagonist! His powers over flame invigorated his limited screentime!
 
If we work hard we can get to 4.5 arete and so have chances better than somewhat safe while still getting an EFB we were aiming for, assuming we reject Shadowcord. Are people willing to do that or should I stop wasting my time?

ReaderOfFate said:
Maximum Safety, the pick with the highest chance of survival, isn't conservative? How?
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I apparently misread what his pick was.
 
I may be misunderstanding how this works, do the stances just not take picks? If they do, that means we're spending 2 picks in any of these choices, and Unacceptable gives us a third, right @Rihaku ? Secondly, I believe we already have at least one of the other two domains, so we should only need 3 picks (the two that would otherwise be spent on stances +1 from Unnaceptable) and 2+7+7=18 Arete to get Ruling Ring. As an additional EFB, wouldn't that let us handle ourselves well in this upcoming fight?
 
beowolf said:
I may be misunderstanding how this works, do the stances just not take picks? If they do, that means we're spending 2 picks in any of these choices, and Unacceptable gives us a third, right @Rihaku ? Secondly, I believe we already have at least one of the other two domains, so we should only need 3 picks (the two that would otherwise be spent on stances +1 from Unnaceptable) and 2+7+7=18 Arete to get Ruling Ring. As an additional EFB, wouldn't that let us handle ourselves well in this upcoming fight?
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Stances don't take picks, correct. Isn't the Forebear amazing!
 
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