Yep. We detect rifts before they start spewing out enemies. Aside from GETTING INTO THE ROBO we can just bail while Letrz deals with it.
A Simple Transaction I
- Thread starter Rihaku
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Probably? It's difficult to know for sure, since we don't know the ranks of our current enemies. Admittedly risky tough.
[X] Vigor Itself
[X] Vigor Itself x2
It's extremely inefficient to spend 7 Arete on either powering up Surgecrafting or Graces (derived from Findross). Graces are a power which can be unlocked by Gisena's independent research, there's no need to waste points on boosting our magics or acquiring another magical system when we already have 2 (Sword Praxis and Surgecrafting). Chasing the shiny when it doesn't even lead to more comprehensive personal power such as what Magic-Defeating Stance or The King Stands Alone could offer is simply not useful.
We have 10 Arete, there's no need to blow 7 more Arete on Surgecrafting when we just spent 7 on it last update. There needs to be a measure of saving if we ever intend to acquire more powerful abilities. Let's try and build on our earlier investments in the Ring or at least save up to another EFB.
Edit: Also, while I know some people thought that Hunger's response to Letrizia was kind of depressing, it was pretty funny and cool to me. Training hard enough to die really is how you know you've committed your Uttermost to something! It's what Ulyssian would have done (though he wouldn't have died because he could grow from sources other than pure conflict)!
[X] Vigor Itself x2
It's extremely inefficient to spend 7 Arete on either powering up Surgecrafting or Graces (derived from Findross). Graces are a power which can be unlocked by Gisena's independent research, there's no need to waste points on boosting our magics or acquiring another magical system when we already have 2 (Sword Praxis and Surgecrafting). Chasing the shiny when it doesn't even lead to more comprehensive personal power such as what Magic-Defeating Stance or The King Stands Alone could offer is simply not useful.
We have 10 Arete, there's no need to blow 7 more Arete on Surgecrafting when we just spent 7 on it last update. There needs to be a measure of saving if we ever intend to acquire more powerful abilities. Let's try and build on our earlier investments in the Ring or at least save up to another EFB.
Edit: Also, while I know some people thought that Hunger's response to Letrizia was kind of depressing, it was pretty funny and cool to me. Training hard enough to die really is how you know you've committed your Uttermost to something! It's what Ulyssian would have done (though he wouldn't have died because he could grow from sources other than pure conflict)!
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OctarineShrike
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Surgecrafting and Edeldross are essentially synonymous. You want to save arete the cheapest, closest competition to PW is Ennobling.
Anyway, Ennobling really starts sounding like good value to me. We control Versch's scaling; that gradual ramp allows us to progress safely during the trip while we would be mostly wasting time otherwise.
Actual Ennobling+Aug Dom combo takes more picks than we have but gradually pushing Versch up first to rank 5+ and then to rank 6+ means we'll get to farm enemies of significant power for a couple more days incredibly efficiently.
The fact that we generate 2 arete minimum these days and that'll be at least arete-neutral after this is nice, too.
Actual Ennobling+Aug Dom combo takes more picks than we have but gradually pushing Versch up first to rank 5+ and then to rank 6+ means we'll get to farm enemies of significant power for a couple more days incredibly efficiently.
The fact that we generate 2 arete minimum these days and that'll be at least arete-neutral after this is nice, too.
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Ennobling does make our companions much more capable than Wreath when it comes to the Temple, and specifically boosts Gisena into WTF levels of Appearance? In fact, since Grace boosts only improve Wits Ennobling would actually make Gisena into even more of a genius due to +++Int! Plus it would help Letrizia with her broader research into Pressure as well, you can't ever be too intelligent!
Plus it does give us an out for those who want to escape the Temple civ; never underestimate the power of bribery. Who doesn't want to live for as long as possible, while being stronger and smarter to boot? Its quite something to offer, and I suspect it will be hard to resist for many.
Plus it does give us an out for those who want to escape the Temple civ; never underestimate the power of bribery. Who doesn't want to live for as long as possible, while being stronger and smarter to boot? Its quite something to offer, and I suspect it will be hard to resist for many.
Rihaku
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SAVEgang, stand strong! Once and Future is within reach! Kind of!
Linearly, but yes.
"The power to destroy a universe is nothing compared to the power of the Accursed."
"Still on about that old religion, Lord Hunger?"
It would, but remember that Ennobling takes some time to actually work! You can't just wave your hand and turn people into the Dunedain!
A relevant point!
Hm... the Accursed-boosted version of Accretion that Hunger possesses is arguably more powerful than the Noble Praxis in some ways, so it may not count as eligible! After all, Hunger can do anything as long as it's vaguely associated with his artifacts and the challenges he overcomes! What a completely broken mechanic!!
Plus, it improves your Intelligence while scaling up with your Intelligence to buff the effect that buffs your intelligence!
Oh no, the Interdict of Cognition! Good thing there's a Praehihr on the scene...
Yes, but only for Might. Though Hunger does leverage his Charisma in combat some...
Imagine advancing at the head of an Encampment-army with Verschslengorge at your back! The Inner Temple literally laid siege, chevauchee warfare of a new age!
Nice catch, I was referring to the Graces derived from Findross actually, got the terms confused. I'm not particularly interested in Ennobling just because I'm more interested in developing Hunger as a warrior/combat mage archetype before delving into boosting companions in a 'ruler' type. Plus it also spends 2 Arete that could go to Dominion effects instead so the S A V E impulse in me recoils from it - Vigor or Fierce Quickening could branch into Blood Advancements and that provides more personal power, which I favor over increasing the power of others.
Dark Abstraction
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I am deeply interested in Ennoblement. Tremendously so. This is how you make Edain into Numenoreans. And it's an uncommon pick, because the number of times we've used Hunger's purview over blood to enhance people is thrice - twice with Gisena (and people bitched about it the first time), once with Letrizia. So I want to get it now before the opportunity passes and we have to wait however long for an opportunity to bolster someone's blood-potency again (almost certainly not before we return to the Empire with Letrizia).
However, I recognize that getting this now would depreciate our ability to invest in the development of Ring components. So I will instead vote for something else.
I think people are sleeping on Augment Dominion: Blood. Which is quite interesting, because over and over in the last vote I kept seeing people throw around "The boosted blood options are better than the boosted evening sky options would be". And that's true enough, but the important part to take from that is that the blood options could be stronger still.
You are all enamored with the fact that the options within the domain of blood are just better than their contemporaries. Hell, so am I. So, considering this is one of the Tier 1 multi-purchases for Blood (given it follows the same pattern as fierce quickening and vigor itself, I feel this is a safe assumption). Since Augment Dominion makes everything hunger does with blood simply be better, we should invest in that.
Tier 1 bought three times gives us +.75 Rank for all things we do with Blood. Imagine Tier 2.
And I guess Magnitude. I don't give a single fuck about elderly dreck, so I'm just throwing this in for the sake of having a complete vote.
And because I saw this and it's relevant to my particular career in the salt mines:
I am deeply interested in Ennoblement. Tremendously so. This is how you make Edain into Numenoreans. And it's an uncommon pick, because the number of times we've used Hunger's purview over blood to enhance people is thrice - twice with Gisena (and people bitched about it the first time), once with Letrizia. So I want to get it now before the opportunity passes and we have to wait however long for an opportunity to bolster someone's blood-potency again (almost certainly not before we return to the Empire with Letrizia).
However, I recognize that getting this now would depreciate our ability to invest in the development of Ring components. So I will instead vote for something else.
I think people are sleeping on Augment Dominion: Blood. Which is quite interesting, because over and over in the last vote I kept seeing people throw around "The boosted blood options are better than the boosted evening sky options would be". And that's true enough, but the important part to take from that is that the blood options could be stronger still.
You are all enamored with the fact that the options within the domain of blood are just better than their contemporaries. Hell, so am I. So, considering this is one of the Tier 1 multi-purchases for Blood (given it follows the same pattern as fierce quickening and vigor itself, I feel this is a safe assumption). Since Augment Dominion makes everything hunger does with blood simply be better, we should invest in that.
Tier 1 bought three times gives us +.75 Rank for all things we do with Blood. Imagine Tier 2.
And I guess Magnitude. I don't give a single fuck about elderly dreck, so I'm just throwing this in for the sake of having a complete vote.
And because I saw this and it's relevant to my particular career in the salt mines:
You're comparing a 7-arete option to a 2-arete option, of course it has more potency in their overlapping aspect. You should be comparing it to Pearlescence, if you're going to compare it at all.
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OctarineShrike
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2 Augment Dominion: Blood needs 3 picks. We have 2 this vote.
This build is invalid because we don't have 3 picks this time. Unless I am derping or something. The basic logic is pretty solid tho; it works as we grind additional ranks and picks from increased Astral Encounters in the following days on the trip back to the temple.
I am not all that fond of Aug Dominion, though, hopefully we can pick up some pure rank instead.
OctarineShrike
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Sublime Transfusion is 1 pick, the build is valid.
Fuck I can't read today
Right, I confused Ennoblement and Sublime Transfusion apparently. It was awhile since I derped like this.
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Strange9
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Upon reflection, I think @Redshirt Army has the right of it... if Hunger fears a metaphorical Moat of Strength that the Inner Residents use as a bulwark against rapidly progressing foes, what better counter to a meta-contextual problem than an Out of Context Solution?
[X] Augment Dominion: Blood
[X] Sublime Transfusion - 2 Arete
[X] Augment Dominion: Blood
[X] Sublime Transfusion - 2 Arete
Rihaku
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Vote count?
Would Hunger actually do that, though...
would he tho
Indeed, the power of SAVE is great safety as well! For you can snap-buy Magic-Defeating Stance now that you have Zweihander.
And quite viable if one takes Bloodwraith!
You're referring to Sublime Transfusion! Ennobling wouldn't work on Versch, his species' Rank is too high...
Would Hunger actually do that, though...
would he tho
Indeed, the power of SAVE is great safety as well! For you can snap-buy Magic-Defeating Stance now that you have Zweihander.
And quite viable if one takes Bloodwraith!
You're referring to Sublime Transfusion! Ennobling wouldn't work on Versch, his species' Rank is too high...
OctarineShrike
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Another thought. I joked about Avalon being appropriate music for Gisena's breakthrough to High Sorceress but now I'm realizing it could be totally appropriate. Combine the fact she's focusing on attributes with Ennobling and she could be more fabulous than Kars and the Pillar Men.
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Taking more Blood Advancements is rarely wrong! Indeed, and pushing her APP to truly memetic levels! What a fearsome negotiator she would be. Well, there are two parts to developing an Edeldross pattern that can replicate a Grace: 1) The theoretical research into the Grace itself 2) The...
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Yeah, i think we all know the awnser.
I'm honestly unsure on taking Philosoper's, mostly because i would rather grab more immediate power rather than potential. Hell, potential is something i think we aren't lacking. And Sorcery is anti-synergetic with Edeldross, so it would ultimately be 7 arete for mediocrer power gain in the short-term.
I'm not too worried about not being able to get magic-defeating stance, since we can likely generate 4 arete before we go back to the temple.
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Yeah, i think we all know the awnser.
I'm honestly unsure on taking Philosoper's, mostly because i would rather grab more immediate power rather than potential. Hell, potential is something i think we aren't lacking. And Sorcery is anti-synergetic with Edeldross, so it would ultimately be 7 arete for mediocrer power gain in the short-term.
I'm not too worried about not being able to get magic-defeating stance, since we can likely generate 4 arete before we go back to the temple.
Dark Abstraction
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Dammit. Forgot about that part.
Fine, switching to this:
[X] Augment Dominion: Blood
[X] Sublime Transfusion
[X] Magnitude
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- Pindorama
People have already said your vote is invalid; so why not join us in Ennobling? It does open up quite the uplifting path for Hunger and as you said, it's not going to be available often. It'd be quite useful in negotiating with the Moon Civ as well, and it kind of has a much bigger vote total then Transfusion at the moment. If you are interested in blood stuff and in saving Arete then it's quite good.
TwistedJester
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Why do I get the feeling that Evening Sky will only be relevant when we get Pillars?
Honestly, I don't see Wreath winning when Inksky couldn't.
Honestly, I don't see Wreath winning when Inksky couldn't.
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So the loop is apply Wreath to Edeldross, Edeldross boost All Stats, including Int, and the Wreath's buff to Edeldross learning speed scale with Int? I'm pretty sure the k is less than 1, though...
ImperatorV
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While I will continue support Philosopher's Wreath as my top pick, I'll admit plan "Kool-Aid Man the Temple with a Giant Mecha" has its appeal. That would be my second choice if I end up needing one.
Feedback looping our INT to super high levels via INT-increasing effects buffing our magic which buffs our INT again is a pretty funny thing to do.
Feedback looping our INT to super high levels via INT-increasing effects buffing our magic which buffs our INT again is a pretty funny thing to do.