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There will definitely be a consolidation vote. The jockeying in this phase is mostly a waste of time if your option is doing okay.
A Simple Transaction I
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DkArthas
CAPITAL IS TO BLAME
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I am not sure. Except for the sub options in inheritor, The Vote is already pretty simple and almost all options are viable.
Shard
One and Many
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- Malaysia
All the leading votes are already optimized though, do we seriously need a consolidation?
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- Pindorama
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
Look, here's my big concern with Uttermost: Hunger's wife and child. Unmitigatable Tyrant means he's going to have trouble being a good husband and father, and that means No Happy Ending.
Ever.
The other drawbacks, I could work with. But unless Cut Through actually provides a solution to "Tyrant can't be mitigated", it shapes the story into a tragedy, and that's not what I want right now. Real life is too stressful for that.
Since we have confirmation that Hunger's Soul is actually a better afterlife than what's otherwise available, let's please take:
[X] The Ring of Power - Inheritor
[X] Fierce Quickening
Between Inheritor and Ruling Ring, I bet we could unlock an option to become a really good afterlife for everyone we kill, including via Decimation. Heck, I bet we could bleed them back out like that dragon we killed! In the more immediate term, it gives us by far the most powerful effect of Vanreir's - his aimbotting hitscan. And storywise, it gives us a happier, healthier arc for Hunger to follow - the hero who keeps the ghosts of his past with him, promises to do better, even befriends some of them. A healing hero, rather than one who's still feeding everything they can to the fire.
In more referential terms, let's imitate Roy Mustang or Edward Elric, rather than Taylor Herbert. Taylor's cool, but Hunger already destroyed himself to beat the Tyrant. Let's let him reach the happy ending he deserves.
Ever.
The other drawbacks, I could work with. But unless Cut Through actually provides a solution to "Tyrant can't be mitigated", it shapes the story into a tragedy, and that's not what I want right now. Real life is too stressful for that.
Since we have confirmation that Hunger's Soul is actually a better afterlife than what's otherwise available, let's please take:
[X] The Ring of Power - Inheritor
[X] Fierce Quickening
Between Inheritor and Ruling Ring, I bet we could unlock an option to become a really good afterlife for everyone we kill, including via Decimation. Heck, I bet we could bleed them back out like that dragon we killed! In the more immediate term, it gives us by far the most powerful effect of Vanreir's - his aimbotting hitscan. And storywise, it gives us a happier, healthier arc for Hunger to follow - the hero who keeps the ghosts of his past with him, promises to do better, even befriends some of them. A healing hero, rather than one who's still feeding everything they can to the fire.
In more referential terms, let's imitate Roy Mustang or Edward Elric, rather than Taylor Herbert. Taylor's cool, but Hunger already destroyed himself to beat the Tyrant. Let's let him reach the happy ending he deserves.
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Maragas
Nothing to see here.
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I love this idea and I will support it if The Unerring is winning but...can we actually get a power like that? Kind of like a reverse Zang Kong.
Rihaku
The Internet
Hm... Inheritors will probably have to choose which of Unerring or Librarian they want to consolidate around, if they wish to remain competitive. This vote is pretty heavily split though.
That's his Soul Evocation, actually. As the previous passage says, a blade that retains its edge is not rendered useless! Vanreir's a Soul Evocation user, he doesn't have an active Astral Rank, though he does have a penalized defensive Rank.
Hm... does Tyranny actually stop Hunger from acting as a reasonable husband & father, though?
To clarify, the population of this world doesn't know what normally happens after death, so given the choice they would prefer living on inside the Imprisoner's Soul Evocation to the unknown.
Healing Verschlengorge is neat! You do already have pretty decent Rank, though...
That's his Soul Evocation, actually. As the previous passage says, a blade that retains its edge is not rendered useless! Vanreir's a Soul Evocation user, he doesn't have an active Astral Rank, though he does have a penalized defensive Rank.
Hm... does Tyranny actually stop Hunger from acting as a reasonable husband & father, though?
To clarify, the population of this world doesn't know what normally happens after death, so given the choice they would prefer living on inside the Imprisoner's Soul Evocation to the unknown.
Healing Verschlengorge is neat! You do already have pretty decent Rank, though...
Well, goddamn. Stuff like this actually makes me consider eating his soul instead of going for R A N K.
Shard
One and Many
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The option says our Soul contains Multitudes, so... maybe?
It makes matters complicated, that's for sure.
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
Probably? I'd be very surprised if it wasn't within reach eventually. Rank 10 is all-but-certainly endgame-tier for this quest, and this sort of upgrade path seems like the sort of thing we'd unlock before then.
Thanatanos
PvP Lover, Assasin Player
[X] The Ring of Power - Inheritor
-[X] The Unerring
-[X] The Unerring
OctarineShrike
I ask again, what does Hongyuan need?
2 Markers on offer for Inheritor/Librarian. Tag me with a vote for Inheritor+Librarian and I will owe you one. Usual terms, 1 veto(I'm unlikely to use it unless it's something like another shot at Azure Moon or something if this loses), marker invocation is on a first come first serve basis, etc. I'll try to come up with argument material too.
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OctarineShrike
I ask again, what does Hongyuan need?
Thanks! Adding your marker to my sig momentarily, you got the terms right, etc.
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
Not all the time? But insofar as the relationship needs to be both not-one-sided and able to survive more than the tiniest of disagreements, very much yes.
Do they have different votes for the fourth option, or what? I'd like to see a consolidation post, for what it's worth.
I'd be willing to get Librarian as an alternative to Stranglethorn, but they're both priority 2 for me.
ImperatorV
The Laughing One
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- The Voyaging Realm
I understand people like Vanreir a lot... However, consider Librarian! It gets us a wide and versatile array of powers, and we can still try to develop in the direction of gathering souls to us if that's what people want! In fact, such a development would probably be far easier with Librarian, which explicitly includes soul-affecting abilities and gives us increases Int, then with Unerring, which gives us increased agility and accuracy! I'm not sure how one would use agility and accuracy to develop the ability to store souls and create an afterlife - but the power of the Librarian is much more versatile, and it makes some thematic sense to create something like a Library of Souls, which we can expand into the pseudo-afterlife thing people have been discussing!
And if you're not interested in soul-gathering, Librarian, again, provides a lot of powers we can use! Teleportation, Invisibility, many types of esoteric attack, buffs for ourselves and our party members, debuffs to stack on enemies on top of the Blood debuffs we can already use to send opponents into a death spiral, summoning and minion creation spells, there's a lot on offer, and we likely won't get another chance to get it!
And if you're not interested in soul-gathering, Librarian, again, provides a lot of powers we can use! Teleportation, Invisibility, many types of esoteric attack, buffs for ourselves and our party members, debuffs to stack on enemies on top of the Blood debuffs we can already use to send opponents into a death spiral, summoning and minion creation spells, there's a lot on offer, and we likely won't get another chance to get it!
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Can't believe we aren't even out of this Temple and people are already talking about creating a friendly afterlife. A bit ahead of ourselves, huh? Plus carrying his soul around is objectively unhealthy for Hunger given the Metal Contamination; not the traits of a "healing hero"; whatever that is. We would sacrifice our own mind just to save a remnant of this guy, who's fundamentally not any different from anyone else we've killed. Why is he important all of a sudden? Just because we've had screentime with him? How shallow. We don't need to sacrifice even more of ourselves, this time not for any particular goal even; but just because you feel bad that guy died. It's completely unnecessary and random. Just accept that he was a fellow soldier on the opposite lines; it's tragic we've had to fight and kill like this, but we must move on and not be saddled with the past.
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As far as power goes, we have three reasonable choices:
As for the complication, we only have nine Apocryphal free days left, so Lingering Exhaustion is absolutely unacceptable. Punctured soul is awful, but at least it's not permanent? But can we really afford to be that debilitated for an entire month? I feel like I have to vote for True Maiming, even though I absolutely hate it.
[X] The Ring of Power - Inheritor
-[X] The Unerring
[X] Fierce Quickening
[X] True Maiming
As cool as the Librarian powers are, his personality is trash and I absolutely do not want mental contamination from him. I could deal with not being able to mitigate Tyrant, but losing Form of Rage, 30% of our Protection and Charisma and having a penalty to ever acquire more of those or Wisdom and Luck... That hurt quite a bit. Having Vanreir in our head is the most acceptable drawback of those on offer for me.
As for the complication, we only have nine Apocryphal free days left, so Lingering Exhaustion is absolutely unacceptable. Punctured soul is awful, but at least it's not permanent? But can we really afford to be that debilitated for an entire month? I feel like I have to vote for True Maiming, even though I absolutely hate it.
[X] The Ring of Power - Inheritor
-[X] The Unerring
[X] Fierce Quickening
[X] True Maiming
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I think 0.7 Rank gives a ton of immediate power too; and one much more broadly applicable than any Defining Advancement. Plus, it has no Drawbacks! We even save Arete instead of having the fourth update in a row where we spend on a two Arete option.
Rank is the godstat for a reason and we are currently being offered an obscene discount on it. It'd be crazy to pass it up! Rank is just the best.
Rank is the godstat for a reason and we are currently being offered an obscene discount on it. It'd be crazy to pass it up! Rank is just the best.
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HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
Point! What if we all consolidated on Inheritor, and then had a subvote for which one we wanted to manifest first? I'm fairly sure we can get upgrades to it later.
I mean, we're in a setting where that's objectively a reasonable midterm goal for us.
Also, Mental Contamination doesn't seem objectively unhealthy - more like "I've got a new telepathic roommate and they sometimes share memories". Or Servant Dreams from the Fate series. The reason I'm leery of it because the Forebear and the Librarian are colossal jerks, and would thus make terrible headmates.
Vanreir, on the other hand, is both Not A Jerk, and someone very much like Hunger. He's also used to having a headmate, and it's a friendship Tyrant is deeply unlikely to destroy.
He's someone who could be a friend, and I want Hunger to have more friends, you know?
DkArthas
CAPITAL IS TO BLAME
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Him being somewhat like Hunger is part of why I am not interested. If we are going to get an headmate, get one which comes with interesting conflict or perspective.