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Byzantine said:
Which means we spent the full 25 arete on it. Do not be fooled! It eats rage without us having ever used it.
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Rage is partially defunct anyway due to Quickening; we might as well cash it in

Xalvitor said:
As much as i think it's fair to criticize people for taking the breach, i don't think 2-3 picks would be enough to significantelly alter the odds of this fight. Hell, we dealt with what's likely the worst the middle temple has to offer, the best thing we can do is grind now. Of course, i might be completely wrong in that.

No amount of grinding the outer temple would have left us ready for this.
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Well, I think it depends what those picks would have been?
Some would be useless, others I think could have been game-changing. +6 Agility for example might have let us easily exploit him committing to attacks.
 
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Byzantine said:
Only after the option I was shilling got crushed. Again.

I'm willing to take risks but am annoyed by how the thread is pushing needless ones.
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Yeah but you didn't have to lol. I specifically tried to talk you into picking up Buff Gisena, which would have given 1 pick, a stronger Gisena and +Relationships with no risk rather than 2 picks with no risk in the same timeframe.

When it came down to it and your compromise was eliminated, you chose to go with the insane risk rather than the safe option, despite the latter arguably being very similar to your initial vote. If that wasn't an indication of your preferences, then what was it?
 
BrainInAJar said:
My desire for cool fights is struggling with my desire for an EFB, and due to thread peer-pressure I've decided to let the latter win for now. My urges are sated for the moment anyway, that fight was really cool.
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A solid build, though if we wanted to make the most of the downtime we could go with Vigor Itself as opposed to Fierce Quickening, try and socialize in the encampment with the added charisma. Still, the strongest moonbrains are dead courtesy of Vanreir (and Gondar, whoever that is), and ++Agility x3 is strictly better if it wins alongside True Maiming. You have my sword:

[X] BrainInAJar

And now, to sleep.
 
There are some interesting things you can do here.

Kinslayer -> Kill some 2-pick plebs -> get Preeminence: War -> Rank 6 Form of Rage
Inheritor: Librarian -> Instant mid-level mage utility, +50% Intelligence
Inheritor: Vanreir -> +50% AGI and CON, +++Accuracy, get a Soul Evocation that's really good for piloting
Uttermost -> Turn normal blade winds into Thousand Cuts. Instead of spamming 30 blade winds and 2 Thousand Cuts, spam 32 Thousand Cuts! That's a 500% multiplier to damage before accounting for ++AGI, ++Might, and the ++++++++Willpower lets you spam even more liberally!
Stranglethorn -> Great value now that you have tons of stats
 
George said:
Rage is partially defunct anyway due to Quickening; we might as well cash it in


Well, I think it depends what those picks would have been?
Some would be useless, others I think could have been game-changing. +6 Agility for example might have let us easily exploit him committing to attacks.
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I suppose taking 3 fierce quickienings would have made a difference, but i don't think there was anything that would give us even somewhat even odds against him.
 
...The rank wording is a bit weird. Is there a reason it sets our rank to 5, Rihaku, instead of being listed as a .7 rank increase?
 
In the same way that we got lucky and rolled rather high for combat, remember that we also rolled remarkably low for the encounter roll! Remember that half the encounters would have given us the 3/4 picks without any meaningful opposition!
 
[X] The Ring of Power - Inheritor (3 picks, 2 Arete)
-[X]The Correspondent
[X] Fierce Quickening
[X] True Maiming

@Byzantine , I think I get how this works, but remind me again who "The Correspondent" is and what we get from that?
 
Byzantine said:
...The rank wording is a bit weird. Is there a reason it sets our rank to 5, Rihaku, instead of being listed as a .7 rank increase?
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We're a Kinslayer, clearly the Doom of Mandos locks our Rank to 5 in perpetuity!

Jokes aside, I don't think there's anything to worry about there.
Simon_Jester said:
@Byzantine , I think I get how this works, but remind me again who "The Correspondent" is and what we get from that?
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The Correspondent's the Soul Evocation of the golden bowman we fought in Fending Off, he had spacetime manipulation abilities that he used to teleport his allies in and accelerate/co-locate himself.
 
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Talace said:
In the same way that we got lucky and rolled rather high for combat, remember that we also rolled remarkably low for the encounter roll! Remember that half the encounters would have given us the 3/4 picks without any meaningful opposition!
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And that is insane. We are insane. This is not viable.

Do you have any idea how many times a 1% chance of death needs to be taken to kill you half the time!?

Simon_Jester said:
@Byzantine , I think I get how this works, but remind me again who "The Correspondent" is and what we get from that?
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Archer guy who was using that time-space manipulation to unlimited blade works our ass with arrows.

We could do that with Wind Blades.
 
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Orm Embar said:
A solid build, though if we wanted to make the most of the downtime we could go with Vigor Itself as opposed to Fierce Quickening, try and socialize in the encampment with the added charisma. Still, the strongest moonbrains are dead courtesy of Vanreir (and Gondar, whoever that is), and ++Agility x3 is strictly better if it wins alongside True Maiming. You have my sword:

[X] BrainInAJar

And now, to sleep.
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Damnit Orm, I'm going to sleep soon too! I can't just keep arguing! And this quote:
Rihaku said:
plus you got access to some very premium 3- and 4-picks! It's up to you now to take advantage of this opportunity you've seized through your blood, sweat and tears!!
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Is making me consider taking a 4-pick too! It's too early in the voting to put your faith in someone! I'm nervous!

Talace said:
The RANK voters are actually kind of swaying me. Help, there are too many juicy options!
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I will switch to Kinslaying if you do; more rank and no arete synergies pretty well with the Ring and all complications. Sorry Orm.
 
Rihaku said:
Kinslayer -> Kill some 2-pick plebs -> get Preeminence: War -> Rank 6 Form of Rage
Inheritor: Vanreir -> +50% AGI and CON, +++Accuracy, get a Soul Evocation that's really good for piloting
Uttermost -> Turn normal blade winds into Thousand Cuts. Instead of spamming 30 blade winds and 2 Thousand Cuts, spam 32 Thousand Cuts! That's a 500% multiplier to damage before accounting for ++AGI, ++Might, and the ++++++++Willpower lets you spam even more liberally!
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I favor these three the most; I think they're all big game changers whose downsides or opportunity costs we're able to deal with pretty well and who stay focused on our current situation.
 
Current vote count?

Byzantine said:
Which means we spent the full 25 arete on it. Do not be fooled! It eats rage without us having ever used it.
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You've gotten the benefits of Form of Rage without having to spend the Arete on its triggering. From the perspective of an anterior decision maker without knowledge of your rolls, this was the ideal outcome.

Plus, [Cut Through] is rather hard to unlock, so getting it potentially this early is amazing! So good...

Xalvitor said:
As much as i think it's fair to criticize people for taking the breach, i don't think 2-3 picks would be enough to significantelly alter the odds of this fight. Hell, we dealt with what's likely the worst the middle temple has to offer, the best thing we can do is grind now. Of course, i might be completely wrong in that.
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Vanreir is roughly equal in power to the strongest defenders of the Middle Temple, barring excursions from the Inner Residents themselves, yes. Most Outriders would not have been able to kill Gabrielle solo and still been able to fight at near-100% afterwards. He's stronger than Gondar.
 
Rihaku said:
Final Form isn't dependent on Form of Rage, no. If Form of Rage doesn't proc and you have Final Form, you go directly into it.
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Good to know. I was concerned, because Form of Rage was listed as a prerequisite.
Xalvitor said:
++all stats,
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Except for Luck, Protection, Wisdom and Charisma, as I understand.
Rihaku said:
++All Other Stats means stats not mentioned in the text block, so it doesn't counter its own downside.
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Byzantine said:
And that is insane. We are insane. This is not viable.

Do you have any idea how many times a 1% chance of death needs to be taken to kill you half the time!?
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I agree! So take Stranglethorn, and never fear death again! Constitution = stronger flesh form and stronger rage form, and also more timeskips instead of pitched battles!

BrainInAJar said:
I will switch to Kinslaying if you do; more rank and no arete synergies pretty well with the Ring and all complications. Sorry Orm.
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I... was actually going to switch if you were. I think I'll just pick between the most likely to win Ring of Power build, Stranglethorn build, or Kinslaying build when the vote's closer to end.
 
Xalvitor said:
Fair enough. I think my risk aversion has gone to hell at this point...so, with hindsight, going for breach the middle was a terrible, terrible idea.
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Eh, on the other hand this guy also had a pretty insane rate of progression. The next we met him would have been with all the XP he got from Fairbright and other R-types.
 
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