Then what's the point of taking Exhaustion? What we gain from the Saint at most brings us back to the before the Exhaustion levels and until 2 days pass you are stuck waiting it to pass. You could even get into a fight in the second day where you may have to use Form of Rage and get stuck with another debuff. With Bloodslayer you only worry about the first few hours with the safety of Form of Rage.




Which we can deal with or even remove it! We already have a buff that makes us only like, 95% of our peak capacity rather than %85


Well, it comes to selling my future votes. I will vote for your preferred option in the future if anyone of you switches to the Bloodslayer. You will gain one mark where you can use it to make me vote for your preferred vote.
Same offer from me too! Get 2 for one! :p
 
Saint only has to deal with exhuasted totally for 1 day, on the second form of rage becomes active again and on the third we're fine. Bloodslayer has to deal with -15% to everything it just upgraded for two weeks!


Given it's full of people who use soul evocations maybe we should just take nothing but Gisena buffs!
Execept that Acceleration halves wounds penalties, and even if that doesn't work, Rihaku has implicitly stated that it is the most likely to provide ways to heal lingering paralysis.
 
No Bloodslayer is explicitly riskier in the short term than Saint. Unsurprisingly having no upgrades while in the most dangerous part of the temple with a 15% penalty to our main attack and escape method is more dangerous than having large stat buffs and taking exhausted.
Bloodslayer has thousand cuts, which increases our power level more than lingering paralysis decreases it.
 
Then what's the point of taking Exhaustion? What we gain from the Saint at most brings us back to the before the Exhaustion levels and until 2 days pass you are stuck waiting it to pass. You could even get into a fight in the second day where you may have to use Form of Rage and get stuck with another debuff. With Bloodslayer you only worry about the first few hours with the safety of Form of Rage.
The point of exhaustion is Saint can afford to take it and still be a safer build than Bloodslayer?

Except that Acceleration halves wounds penalties, and even if that doesn't work, Rihaku has implicitly stated that it is the most likely to provide ways to heal lingering paralysis.
We'd still need to kill something to get rid of it which is arete or picks we aren't spending on something else instead.

Bloodslayer has thousand cuts, which increases our power level more than lingering paralysis decreases it.
Saint also takes cuts and doesn't have to worry about a debuff since exhaustion wears off so much quicker. We even previously took an option specifically to make tired and exhausted 25% less bad so we may as well make use of it.

Looks like we'll remain consistent in our inconsistency. Oh well.
Saint is more consistent than Bloodslayer since it doesn't have anti-synergy with any part of our build!
 

{X} Meditate on Memories.
{X} Imperial March.

Those sweet, sweet El STATS. Comboes quite well with recovering our skills, the better we can keep up with our knowledge and the longer we can groove, the safer we are when it comes to contests. That we'd have 5 Arete after that is just wild since that would put us within reach for a sweet 7 Arete dance tech or power, which would do a lot to help us clear this place.
 
I think we're at 46 pages of arguments for this extended build vote. Not quite the record 100, but impressive nonetheless.

{X} Meditate on Memories.
{X} Imperial March.

Those sweet, sweet El STATS. Comboes quite well with recovering our skills, the better we can keep up with our knowledge and the longer we can groove, the safer we are when it comes to contests. That we'd have 5 Arete after that is just wild since that would put us within reach for a sweet 7 Arete dance tech or power, which would do a lot to help us clear this place.
A solid choice, brooding being a reliable time-waster in absence of allies, though I'll say that there might be other kinds of challenges.
 
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I think we're at 46 pages of arguments for this extended build vote. Not quite the record 100, but impressive nonetheless.


A solid choice, brooding being a reliable time-waster in absence of allies, though I'll say that there might be other kinds of challenges.
{} DANCE DANCE REVOLUTION: CHALLENGE
{} Undying Vanguard [5 Arete]


Obviously if we're going to dance we should dance with Gisena!
 

Tally incoming.
Adhoc vote count started by LordOfMurder on Jun 14, 2020 at 8:44 PM, finished with 471 posts and 64 votes.
 
Hm. What a strange vote. Usually the omake power isn't this lopsided.

Vote: 33% lead in favor of Star-Blade
Arguments: Yet to review, but my impression is that it'll be close
Omakes: 400%+ lead in favor of Bloodslayer

What an odd situation. At this point I don't even think eliminating Heedless War would do anything...
 
[X] Study the Blood
[X] Bloodslayer


I just woke up and haven't checked if Heedless has been kicked off the vote by Rihaku, but looking at the five votes left, I suppose we'll have to RULING RING another day.
 
Hm. What a strange vote. Usually the omake power isn't this lopsided.

Vote: 33% lead in favor of Star-Blade
Arguments: Yet to review, but my impression is that it'll be close
Omakes: 400%+ lead in favor of Bloodslayer

What an odd situation. At this point I don't even think eliminating Heedless War would do anything...
The final argument for Bloodslayer: The omake and content creators like it, so by voting for it and increasing the chances of it's victory maximizes future Arete windfalls?
 
Hm. What a strange vote. Usually the omake power isn't this lopsided.

Vote: 33% lead in favor of Star-Blade
Arguments: Yet to review, but my impression is that it'll be close
Omakes: 400%+ lead in favor of Bloodslayer

What an odd situation. At this point I don't even think eliminating Heedless War would do anything...
well, it's a large Arete expenditure; is the omake power high relative to other decision points? You've mentioned before that omake power plays more of a role when we're spending Arete generated primarily by omakes.

The final argument for Bloodslayer: The omake and content creators like it, so by voting for it and increasing the chances of it's victory maximizes future Arete windfalls?
what if them being satisfied makes them no longer need to put in effort?
 
Hm. What a strange vote. Usually the omake power isn't this lopsided.

Vote: 33% lead in favor of Star-Blade
Arguments: Yet to review, but my impression is that it'll be close
Omakes: 400%+ lead in favor of Bloodslayer

What an odd situation. At this point I don't even think eliminating Heedless War would do anything...
But seriously, It's currently @Microwave MKII's picture plus 772 words from @Conjured Blade vs about 8k words from @Projectile, @runeblue360 and @Unelemental. That's definitely lopsided even if if the picture is worth something amazing like 3k words or something. At the same, most voters clearly want Saint. It's always hard to let the less voted option win in these scenarios.
 
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Hey Microwave voted for Saint!
Bloodslayer is my second choice, actually; I've just been wanting Undying Vanguard for a while, hence my slight preference towards Saint. I'm actually quite pleased with both of the leading options and would be okay with a Bloodslayer win!

edit: I'm aware it doesn't have UV built in, but in general protections for Gisena and the rest of the party is what I've been wanting for a while
 
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But seriously, Its currently @Microwave MKII picture plus 772 words from @Conjured Blade vs about 8k words from @Projectile, @runeblue360 and @Unelemental. That's definitely lopsided even if if the picture is worth something amazing like 3k words or something. At the same, most voters clearly want Saint. It's always hard to let the less voted option win in these scenarios.

I've also got a reaction for Red of Sky and Fang I posted after Fending off that's 929 words if it's still in consideration for Omake Power calculation.
 
But seriously, Its currently @Microwave MKII picture plus 772 words from @Conjured Blade vs about 8k words from @Projectile, @runeblue360 and @Unelemental. That's definitely lopsided even if if the picture is worth something amazing like 3k words or something. At the same, most voters clearly want Saint. It's always hard to let the less voted option win in these scenarios.
I think runeblade has even more omake power because he mantains the statement index and character sheet and orm maintains the fanwork index.
I can say that for the Bloodslayer though? Bloodslayer can afford a few hours of danger and a slight reduction on physical activities much more then Saint can afford Exhausted.
But that would contradict Rihaku's word on the matter that overall Saint is safer than Bloodslayer.
 
But that would contradict Rihaku's word on the matter that overall Saint is safer than Bloodslayer.

Broadly speaking, this would be true, but I think we've presented arguments explaining why escape wouldn't be that difficult overall in the first place. I put forward that Saint is marginally safer than Bloodslayer, but that safety is not more valuable than the avenues of Progression presented to us by Blood Slayer.
 
[X] Speak to Letrizia
[X] Bloodslayer


Letrizia deserves after giving me the all important aesthetic justification for this vote.
 
@Rihaku why not be absolutely fair and roll a dice? That way no one has reason to complain; you can even weight it specific values instead of being 50/50 if you want to reward effort of the Omake writers. I'd be fine with whatever happens with the roll.
 
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