LordOfMurder
Bhaal
- Location
- Australia
Betrayal! Root and Branch hasn't lost yet! It only looks behind due to the curse of approval voting!
A Simple Transaction I
- Thread starter Rihaku
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- Original
Dark Abstraction
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- United States
The wonderful thing about the Ruling Ring is also that we know for a fact that we can buy the lesser Ring options with Arete and then later trade them in for the full-on EFB version, and it only costs a 2 Arete surcharge; being able to buy our way into an EFB piecemeal is not to be underestimated.
So that's definitely something people should be bearing in mind as we go forward from here; Ring options are competitive not only for their intinsic value, but also as down-payments towards Ruling Ring.
So that's definitely something people should be bearing in mind as we go forward from here; Ring options are competitive not only for their intinsic value, but also as down-payments towards Ruling Ring.
ImperatorV
The Laughing One
- Location
- The Voyaging Realm
I do like this. We can easily get two dominions and preeminence with our current Arete totals, putting us over a third of the way to the EFB. I want us to get a dedicated mage option though - Chief Dominion kinda counts, as it's been described as Tolkien Wizard before, but I'd prefer if we had something like Philosopher's Wreath or Gardener's Hallow. Then again, if GH occurs again and we already have ring stuff in place, people might be more likely to actually vote for it...
You know, was it ever explained what exactly these parts of Chief Dominion's description were about?
Whom are we going to contest? We get all these warnings about other Rings (which given EFB lore makes sense to some extent), and the Ring starts looking more and more like the Ring of an Age, but how is this going to work when we're in a completely different world from where it originated?
Lealope
Not yet invincible
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- She/Her
If you like it, you should vote Apex! It's now completely viable and actually has the spare Arete to get Preeminence and Dominion. The only serious competition is the Sword right now and you switching your approval vote could make quite a difference. If you want to do cool shit with magic, be more effective in Searching for Humans and up the godstat, it's the best option by far.
Moreover, the Ruling Ring is way better than the One. We've really been sleeping on how good it would be to increase the potency of Ring of Power. Just look at what strengthening it does for the purposes of manipulating blood!
Now imagine that but across all domains. That's what might potentially be on offer here. It's so incredibly powerful and we could begin saving up for it now, in a way that also gives us lots of immediate power to survive this place.
And really, why even have a Ring of Power if it's not that powerful? If you decide to get one, it should be the One Ring to Rule All Things.
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OctarineShrike
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Frankly either Mage build is plausibly effective. More intelligence/wisdom is better ability to process whatever data we get out of the people we talk to for drawing conclusions. (Edit: And in the long term, when we have territory, it'll make us better at running it.)
@Orm Embar is my Gisena Ordinalism build speculation(A Simple Transaction I Original) something too played out for it to count as a fanwork now or something?
@Orm Embar is my Gisena Ordinalism build speculation(A Simple Transaction I Original) something too played out for it to count as a fanwork now or something?
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Nope, thanks for pointing it out, I missed some of the posts on that page on account of writing up one of my own. Added to the index. Ordinalism's a fun system to play around with; I wonder if TSH's ability to 'break conceptual limits' applies to the mutual exclusivity inherent in the Spiral? If the Strategist's Conjoiner could do it, surely a boon from the Accursed can too.
The great thing about Arete is that it's currency - both innately liquid and enduring in worth. Sure, we could die before spending it, but we knew that before we came to the Temple. It's not just Once and Future that makes stacking points appealing, because we could choose to buy another 25-pointer instead once we get there. Or three 7-pointers, enough to commit to a direction for our build and still have some left over to feed the Rage. Or literally 12 2-Pointers, which I'm not even sure is possible but sounds hilarious so I'm going to bring it up anyway.
In other news, I would like to come up with a better term for these Arete breakpoints, but all I could think of on my own were two-bits for the 25-points and rainbows for the 7-points. Not very good. Can anyone help me out here?
In other news, I would like to come up with a better term for these Arete breakpoints, but all I could think of on my own were two-bits for the 25-points and rainbows for the 7-points. Not very good. Can anyone help me out here?
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
Can I convince anyone else to add sword? It finally makes our offense a thing to reckon with and frees us to consider defensive/magic options in the future.
Apex isnt bad at all, but it doesnt really patch anything so much as it kicks the can down the road, and I'm doubting it will be any less controversial then.
Apex isnt bad at all, but it doesnt really patch anything so much as it kicks the can down the road, and I'm doubting it will be any less controversial then.
Talace
It must be raining somewhere else!
Hungry for the 2 pointer, Hungrier for the 7 pointers, and Hungriest for the 25 pointers.
Sorry, but I'm of the mind that if we're not going Root and Branch, might as well see the other Defining Advancement.
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
What other defining advancement? And how does that relate to this?
LordOfMurder
Bhaal
- Location
- Australia
People decided for some reason that apex unlocks a defining advancement.
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
??? Rihaku has definitely not said or even hinted at that...
DarkSideBard
Flying, without moving on
Someone proposed the theory earlier that things as powerful as defining advancements are dependent on what Feats we have (Stranglethorn being related to Age and Treachery, for example). In the context of Accretion, this actually makes a lot of sense to most people (think about the way that "Feats" string together into a "Legend"), so the idea is that by accumulating Rank from cool or good Feats (like "Apex") we can get more diverse or powerful future options.
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[X] Search for Humans
[X] Bring Gisena
[X] Apex
[X] Strong Sword-Arm
I'd prefer to keep the Arete, but getting access to the Pugilist magic system is good too. I'm sure someone's brought it up by now, but getting to talk to people without the Apocryphal shadow hanging over us is really good. There's no way it wouldn't throw some authoritarian moron in front of us just to make trouble.
Talace
It must be raining somewhere else!
It seems logical to me! And if it's not true, Apex also appeals to my Barest Cut sentiments-- we might be tunneling to hard on a particular build here, and the result would be overall more cohesive if we took options that synergized with each other all at once instead of optimizing for this Temple in particular.
It seems like a reasonable thing to assume, given that we got to learn about Stranglethorn after picking Age and Treachery as a feat-- and that the two options happen to be thematically related! I just woke up, so if my recollection of the facts are wrong, I'll happily swallow it.
It seems like a reasonable thing to assume, given that we got to learn about Stranglethorn after picking Age and Treachery as a feat-- and that the two options happen to be thematically related! I just woke up, so if my recollection of the facts are wrong, I'll happily swallow it.
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- Omniverse #1345
A rank based feat likely unlocks st 5.0 base, which Apex is insufficient for.
Dark Abstraction
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The rationale is that Accretion Feats are likely the things that facilitate unlocking the Defining advancements; Stranglethorn seems to be fairly consistent with the thematics of Age and Treachery. Since the Apex plan involves taking the Apex feat for Accretion, it stands to reason (under that system of justification) that it would potentially unlock another Defining Advancement, or at least push us in that direction; it might in theory even open up a defining advancement which draws on both feats in consideration of its build.
LordOfMurder
Bhaal
- Location
- Australia
I like that after getting tremendously lucky and killing something that hilariously outmatched us by rolling incredibly well, so many people decided to double down and pick an option that barely improves our combat abilities. We're going to waste a 4 pick opportunity on two copies of echoes and 0.2 rank?
DarkSideBard
Flying, without moving on
No, if you look at the votes themselves, in the updates, both "Age and Treachery" and "Apex" are rendered as "Feat: X". Thus, they're called Feats regardless of what they mechanically stand for (which I think is not "doable things with Rank", but instead "Epic things you've done for Rank").
Talace
It must be raining somewhere else!
Again, I'm already voting Root and Branch! Go hard or go home, as the young kids say nowadays.
Without disagreement, discussion flags. A lot of our Arete comes from there!