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Unelemental said:
We're a long, long way off from outright manipulating enemies into having them commit suicide on our sword just with Rank.

Hence why I called it out as something to take into account in future. Apocrypha shapes our quest narrative, and it influences our build decisions in a major way too. We can't not take Str+Con after this if we want to keep up with or even exceed its demands, but we also need to be aware that such a build invites the Curse to specialize in hitting our created weakness. If you're OK with that, that's great.
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Might be possible to do with Establishment if we think of the proper context?

I'm not sure the Apocryphal curse scales based on our theoretical maximum strength. If that were the case we never should have picked form of rage since it'll now scale to us based on the strength of our final form rather than our base strength.
 
Of course, even if the Apocryphal didn't precision target threats to precisely counter our build, by statistics it's bound to 'get lucky' at some point.

It seems to scale as if we are protaganist of a story. I don't know if we are outscaling it (for now) or falling behind. We're probably on the outscaling end in terms of total power, if I were to guess. Not that our power distribution is optimal of course.
 
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LordOfMurder said:
Might be possible to do with Establishment if we think of the proper context?

I'm not sure the Apocryphal curse scales based on our theoretical maximum strength. If that were the case we never should have picked form of rage since it'll now scale to us based on the strength of our final form rather than our base strength.
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You think we aren't going to enter Rage against opponents picked out by Apocrypha? I'm sadly not that optimistic. Hopefully they'll also be dramatically appropriate or our companions will be with us, but yeah, it's a Curse with the value of two Curses.

...Though I don't know whether Arete-costing options are handled differently by the Curses. The Fates had trouble accounting for BPs last quest, but I have no idea whether this changed.
 
Right now I'm thinking about wisdom.

[X] Yes, Obviously.
[X] Forebear's Blade - Dreadnought's Bearing (7 Arete, 3 picks)
-[X] Rune King
[X] Keep Up Momentum
 
Unelemental said:
Using Stranglethorn suboptimally (not investing heavily in Str+Con) isn't just bad because it offends minmaxers' delicate sensibilities. It's because at some point Apocrypha will start taking the option's power into account when setting challenges, and if we took Agi where it distributed XP optimally, that's our own damn problem.

Hence why I called it out as something to take into account in future. Apocrypha shapes our quest narrative, and it influences our build decisions in a major way too. We can't not take Str+Con after this if we want to keep up with or even exceed its demands, but we also need to be aware that such a build invites the Curse to specialize in hitting our created weakness. If you're OK with that, that's great.
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I simply think the Curse will hit our weakness no matter what and being without weaknesses is completely unrealistic, especially because some of them are outside of the remit of stats, even; all the suspicious Tyrant reminders in our enemies so far is a testament to that. If we fear "weaknesses", we will never take the great opportunities we are granted. Especially when it comes to a boost so comprehensive as Stranglethorn.
 
Unelemental said:
You think we aren't going to enter Rage against opponents picked out by Apocrypha? I'm sadly not that optimistic. Hopefully they'll also be dramatically appropriate or our companions will be with us, but yeah, it's a Curse with the value of two Curses.

...Though I don't know whether Arete-costing options are handled differently by the Curses. The Fates had trouble accounting for BPs last quest, but I have no idea whether this changed.
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No apocryhal curse trigger has done more than 25% of the health of one form so far. Unless it actually is going to start throwing things meant to challenge form of Rage at us or it builds up for a couple of months we should be relatively fine for the moment. The curse isn't necessarily about killing us it's about the pressure of constantly having to be on edge and wary of threats we can't afford to ignore.
 
BrainInAJar said:
I simply think the Curse will hit our weakness no matter what and being without weaknesses is completely unrealistic, especially because some of them are outside of the remit of stats, even; all the suspicious Tyrant reminders in our enemies so far is a testament to that. If we fear "weaknesses", we will never take the great opportunities we are granted. Especially when it comes to a boost so comprehensive as Stranglethorn.
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Yeah. We aren't plugging that hole without spending 7 Arete on a Hunger Sated target.
 
Oof. The Temple really did show off how divided everything is.

Honestly feels like we've done our best to avoid committing to a build. Trying to get a little bit of everything, and it's spoiling the broth somehow.

Kinda like trying to go All Paths but without having BPs to use. Gotta consolidate on what kind of character we want Hunger to be after this dungeon run.
 
Hunger: Now I'm wiser and more intelligent and won't make those silly mistakes-
Players: What's that? A shiny? We're getting it if it's the last thing we do!
Hunger: ...But at least I'll weigh my decisions in the social area more carefully-
Players: It's time for a waifu war. Every man for themselves!
Hunger: ...At least I have consistent characterization?
Players: That's what you think.
 
Unelemental said:
Hunger: ...But at least I'll weigh my decisions in the social area more carefully-
Players: It's time for a waifu war. Every man for themselves!
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If you vote for any build containing Vanguard in it this vote I'll vote for whatever you want for the next three votes(counting all consolidations as a single vote in both cases) and argue for it as well as long as it doesn't write Gisena out of the quest.
 
Taka said:
Oof. The Temple really did show off how divided everything is.

Honestly feels like we've done our best to avoid committing to a build. Trying to get a little bit of everything, and it's spoiling the broth somehow.

Kinda like trying to go All Paths but without having BPs to use. Gotta consolidate on what kind of character we want Hunger to be after this dungeon run.
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Semi-debatable.

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Hm... let's look at the synergy of each presented option in the context of options you've already purchased. You have ++INT, ++++CHA, +Might, ++++AGI, Might's Repose, Fell-Handed Stroke and Rank 4. You acquired the Evening Sky. Relative to your overall advancement, your Might is rather low...
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Hm... let's look at the synergy of each presented option in the context of options you've already purchased.

You have ++INT, ++++CHA, +Might, ++++AGI, Might's Repose, Fell-Handed Stroke and Rank 4. You acquired the Evening Sky.

Relative to your overall advancement, your Might is rather low, your Agi and Cha are high, and your Int is quite high. Your Rank would be impressive if you weren't currently exhausted and you have three vectors of esoteric attack (Ring of Power, Power of Ruin, Fell-Handed Stroke). Aside from Rank, your greatest overall assets are your comprehensive defenses and high Charisma, and it was precisely the latter that allowed you to bait the superior combatant Seralize into an overextension.
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About a week ago we were a highly intelligent social tank.
 
LordOfMurder said:
If you vote for any build containing Vanguard in it this vote I'll vote for whatever you want for the next three votes(counting all consolidations as a single vote in both cases) and argue for it as well as long as it doesn't write Gisena out of the quest.
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Sorry, not a participant of this vote-swapping business. Debating is part of the pleasure for me, whether the option wins or not.
 
Shard said:
It will be hilarious if it turns out that Ber had only gotten twice as strong and our Temple Escapade was completely unneeded.
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That's more or less what I'm expecting, really. He's a video game character. They experience logarithmic growth, and he probably wasn't a low level to start with.
 
Byzantine said:
That's more or less what I'm expecting, really. He's a video game character. They experience logarithmic growth, and he probably wasn't a low level to start with.
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Their growth rate is more super linear (^1.5) with regard to level I would say. Their main advantage is being able to grind ultra super fast if you're willing to sell your soul slaughtering mooks endlessly.

But for all I know he's not actually that dedicated.
 
Re: The Index, I'm reaching the point where I'm going to need to make it span over multiple posts because of SV's character limits, which is why updates for it have slowed down. Would anyone mind if I instead just dropped a read only link to the Google Doc that I store all the quotes in instead? Or would you guys prefer to keep it on SV?

[X] Yes, Obviously.
[X] Echo of the Forebear
[X] Feat: Apex - +.2 Astral Rank (2 picks)
[X] A Thousand Cuts [7 Arete]
[X] Retreat to the Antechamber

Wolfy's build is good but it needs more immediate power for safety's sake, even if it delays the Preeminence somewhat. Plus, taking Feats for our Accretion can influence our character, which I think is pretty cool.
 
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runeblue360 said:
Re: The Index, I'm reaching the point where I'm going to need to make it span over multiple posts because of SV's character limits, which is why updates for it have slowed down. Would anyone mind if I instead just dropped a read only link to the Google Doc that I store all the quotes in instead? Or would you guys prefer to keep it on SV?
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That would be fine. Didn't realize how big it was; thanks for the effort on that.

Can't think of an alternative other than splitting it across posts, which would be less convenient.
 
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