A Simple Transaction I
- Thread starter Rihaku
- Start date
- Original
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
From a programming perspective, those are identical! In some languages and contexts.
I think 'Scenic' would be differentiated, though.
Hm... petition to change "Scenic" to Suicidal, any takers?
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
Just a quick test:
[] The 'Scenic' Route
e: Nope.
[] The 'Scenic' Route
e: Nope.
I petition we change it to 'Very Scenic'. Or maybe Extremely Scenic.
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LordOfMurder
Bhaal
- Location
- Australia
Depends if it doubles our existing pluses or only future ones we gain. If the former we get twice as strong and tough, if the latter though then yeah probably not worth.
Seems like it might taint discussion just slightly.
Epicly Scenic?
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Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
Exceptionally Scenic, maybe?
Anyway, the Exceptionally/Extremely/Epic Scenic Route is more dangerous than the Temple itself, it has Extreme Risk where the Temple has Very High Risk.
Genesys
(Discrete Mokona)
- Location
- California
I would guess that it's something like 15-50% aggregate chance of death, under the assumption that epically dangerous beasts are 50-100% death based on strategies, multiple dangerous could either be relatively easy (tough, but close enough to no chance of death) or even worse than epically dangerous, in which case it'd probably be something from 75-100% death, and extremely dangerous is tough, but close enough to no chance of death. Not strictly speaking suicide, but not exactly the kind of thing I want to take.
LordOfMurder
Bhaal
- Location
- Australia
That's way too high. Extrememly dangerous beasts aren't very likely to kill us so maybe 5% from them, epicly dangerous are likely so maybe between 33% to 50% like the sword vote. Plus 5% flat chance of death. So somewhere around 18% chance of death at worst for the exceedingly scenic route most of which can be mitigated by thread discussion and tactics.
Unless multiple dangerous beasts can include Epically Dangerous ones in which case it depends on what the ratios are for which beasts spawn.
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- Location
- Rivendell
[X] The Quickest Route
[X] Risky
[X] Risky
Projectile
Thinking of Rabbits
- Location
- USA
Let's see. Gonna feel dumb if this is just listed anywhere.
+Gisena (Trustworthy Enough)
+Gisena (Speak with I)
+++Letrizia (Speak with I, II)
+Letrizia (Spill)
+Gisena (The Hecking Legendary Fish)
+Gisena (Preparing the Darn Fish)
+Gisena (Lady of the Lake Participation Option)
So that's +++++ for Gisena and ++++ for Letrizia. If my count is right, assuming we started from 0 and there are no additional changes. Might be an argument for Scenic to get Zee's fifth +, that seems like a milestone number. She can be fond of us while she sits in the cockpit and stares boredly at the surroundings?
[X] The Quickest Route
[X] Risky
+Gisena (Trustworthy Enough)
+Gisena (Speak with I)
+++Letrizia (Speak with I, II)
+Letrizia (Spill)
+Gisena (The Hecking Legendary Fish)
+Gisena (Preparing the Darn Fish)
+Gisena (Lady of the Lake Participation Option)
So that's +++++ for Gisena and ++++ for Letrizia. If my count is right, assuming we started from 0 and there are no additional changes. Might be an argument for Scenic to get Zee's fifth +, that seems like a milestone number. She can be fond of us while she sits in the cockpit and stares boredly at the surroundings?
[X] The Quickest Route
[X] Risky
Rihaku
The Internet
Not every beast offers a 4-pick option, however! For the guarantee of 4-picks you need epic monsters.
Not the correct mindset to benefit from the 10% bonus. "I am the danger," remember!
Hm, with this line of argument I thought you'd pick Conservative! Letrizia by herself against astral monsters for several hours is pretty likely to end with either major damage to Verschlengorge or its destruction and therefore her death, without either repairs or a bodyguard to aid her!
It doubles all pluses in the targeted categories, yes.
Extreme Risk... but it comes with free Rank and Arete!
The multiple monsters can be of the "exceptional" or "epically" dangerous variety, yeah. That's why it's listed below the epic monster!
And don't forget the other hazards! Scylla may be terrible, but moreso is Charybdis!
Lealope
Not yet invincible
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Welp:
[X] The Scenic Route
[X] Conservative
Okay, I and apparently everyone else really, really underestimated the risk to Letrizia before this. Shit, wow. We really, really should've taken Undying Vanguard. Hopefully we'll have a shot at it or some equivalent 7 Arete effect (RIP saving).
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
[X] The Scenic Route
[X] Conservative
[X] Conservative
"Scenic" is a trip for a better class of dungeoneer it seems. We'll have to take a more pedestrian path. Scenic simply feels so slow, it's longer than we've been in world so far, but with only mediocre gains unless we roll well. It would mean we'd need even more out of the Temple to recoup our time investment if we want to keep up in the arms race. How risky leaving Letrizia alone is really depends on how long the dungeon is, which isn't really something we can know beforehand...
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Rihaku
The Internet
I'm really quite surprised this Temple option won! It's going to be quite difficult to save your Arete in such a situation, even though you've got a good amount now. Immediate power is a priority!
Well, does it really seem like it's going to be short?
If you want to keep everyone safe, the best bet is (short of generating 15+ Arete before you reach the Temple) taking Conservative and spending at least 7 Arete on some means of immediate power during the intervening monster fights. 7 + 2 multiple times if you can afford it, or two synergistic 7s maybe!
Well, does it really seem like it's going to be short?
If you want to keep everyone safe, the best bet is (short of generating 15+ Arete before you reach the Temple) taking Conservative and spending at least 7 Arete on some means of immediate power during the intervening monster fights. 7 + 2 multiple times if you can afford it, or two synergistic 7s maybe!
I'm fond of Ruinous Valor, since it's an apt description of our decision-making process! That plus Pitiless Maw would improve our survivability and offense, especially with the Einhander form boosting constitution.
LordOfMurder
Bhaal
- Location
- Australia
[X] The Quickest Route
[X] Risky
Yeah okay not even I can vote for a route that likely to murder us. Quickest route still gives us strong enough opponents to get a decent strong pick before we hit the temple and the plus 10% will really help us when we're inside. It pains me to give up a +Gisena but I guess she has to be alive in order to be snarky.
- Location
- Brazil
[X] The Scenic Route
[X] Conservative
That moment where you immediately regret our decisions. There is a risk of us dying getting to the damned Temple. Damn.
Frankly, we decided to take this risk, let's shoulder the burden of not getting killed, and let's not get our companions in risk due to our greed. I'd say to take form of rage if at all possible, or any form of survival/escape advancement, because I really feel like we will need it.
[X] Conservative
That moment where you immediately regret our decisions. There is a risk of us dying getting to the damned Temple. Damn.
Frankly, we decided to take this risk, let's shoulder the burden of not getting killed, and let's not get our companions in risk due to our greed. I'd say to take form of rage if at all possible, or any form of survival/escape advancement, because I really feel like we will need it.
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I'm doubtful, I was thinking with Gisena we might be able to enter and exit more often than the Temple would normally allow though. It would cost our bonus if we take Quick but being able to stage our expedition would've been useful. Depends on what form the Temple takes but we might be able to test if that's possible beforehand, have her nullify a magic reinforced wall and see if we can carve a door into it. If it doesn't work that is also an indicator her ability might be less useful than expected inside and leaving outside her is less of a cost.
LordOfMurder
Bhaal
- Location
- Australia
Damn we've missed three whole +Gisena's so far, smh. Get your act together thread.