Motherfucker. Kiara?! The big boss Beast of Lust that buttfucked the Moon Cell? That Kiara?!

Alright, screw Berserker. This woman needs to die! She's practically an even worse version of Kotomine with a disturbing focus on lust and pleasure and she used the whole core of the Earth to masturbate that one time. And I'm not even fucking joking about that. That shit actually happened in FGO.

Now what has she been doing to Rider and do we need to kill her now?

[X] "Rider. Explain. What happened between you and this lady. You've been acting real weird, Rider. What did you do?"
 
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Motherfucker. Kiara?! The big boss Beast of Lust that buttfucked the Moon Cell? That Kiara?!

Alright, screw Berserker. This woman needs to die! She's practically an even worse version of Kotomine with a disturbing focus on lust and pleasure and she used the whole core of the Earth to masturbate that one time. And I'm not even fucking joking about that. That shit actually happened in FGO.

Now what has she been doing to Rider and do we need to kill her now?

[X] "Rider. Explain. What happened between you and this lady. You've been acting real weird, Rider. What did you do?"
Calm down. Remember the Kiara we face in FGO got corrupted into Beast III/R, she couldn't have naturally achieved that state. It only happened because of the Demon God Pillar corrupting her. Without that she would have lived relatively normal life without any world fucking shenanigans.

[X] "Rider. Explain. What happened between you and this lady. You've been acting real weird, Rider. What did you do?"
 
Motherfucker. Kiara?! The big boss Beast of Lust that buttfucked the Moon Cell? That Kiara?!

Alright, screw Berserker. This woman needs to die! She's practically an even worse version of Kotomine with a disturbing focus on lust and pleasure and she used the whole core of the Earth to masturbate that one time. And I'm not even fucking joking about that. That shit actually happened in FGO.

Now what has she been doing to Rider and do we need to kill her now?
[X] "Rider. Explain. What happened between you and this lady. You've been acting real weird, Rider. What did you do?"

Kiara is fine she can't do crazy shit for at least another hundred years and just started the cult a little early. Without hans buffs she's just a normal magus.
 
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[x] "Out with it, Rider: did you boink this woman, or did you not? I don't want to waste anymore time hemming and hawing about this."
 
Kiara is fine she can't do crazy shit for at least another hundred years and just started the cult a little early. Without hans buffs she's just a normal magus.
You do recall her backstory right? Her cult basically threatened a whole continent and people in power were so afraid of her, they actively tried to kill and put bounties on her death. The one that succeeded in killing her was an Emiya Shirou and he had to fight her entire fanatical cultist and whatever happened there at the end broke him. Turned him into a whole dark Detroit version of Emiya Alter.

That was her without any significant magus power or Servant backing her up.

New priority, kill Kiara. Now.
 
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[X] "That's besides the point now. Let's get back on topic. I need your help and I'm willing to call a truce until we solve Berserker."

Different timeline @taovkool she's a threat to be sure, but not on the same level here. Her FGO self has a very different order of events going on. As long as we're cautious and keep her potential in mind she's a manageable danger.
 
You dodged out of the way as your body seemed to move on autopilot. You had to take control otherwise you'll just end up in that state again. You'll use this as practice. If Archer and his Master wanted a show you'll give them one to remember. You had to take the initiative here and fight. You raised your gun and fired your bullets, only to see the Guru go berserk and come for you.

Was this the effect of that black powder? Just how much more potent was it than the white ones? It was almost like it had the capacity to elevate people on inhuman levels. You punched bullet after bullet into the man's body but he was moving more than his body could take. His muscles ripped and his bones creaked, his mind was just gone.

Never stopping, never retreating, you can't tire him out. You moved in as he lunged at you, timing his swing as you slid beneath his arm. You shot his leg and ripped through his flesh. That forced him down before you fired twice, empty rounds flying through the air as you let out a breath as you aimed for his spine. Fat and muscle got in the way before he shot towards you with the speed of a car.
... ok, note to self. Get something bigger than five-five-six.
The Guru fell on the floor as you ran over him and jammed your handgun into his mouth.

You pulled the trigger and watched his brains spla-

A hand grabbed your shoulder before you noticed Rider looking at you. You blinked before you looked down to find that the man was already dead. He was lying in a pool of his own blood as you drew away from him. The effects of the drugs continued to wrack his body even in death.
Yeah, that's her cult for you.
That cannot be normal. If Ruler knew this, she'd throw a fit. You stepped away before you and Rider noticed someone walking from behind the Throne/Altar. Rider tensed up and narrowed her gaze before you blinked in surprise.

It was a woman.

There you are, thief in the shadows!

A mature woman dressed in a fitting sweater beneath a white coat. Her long skirt brushed against the ground while making her seem rather out of place in the scene before you. Her long black hair swayed behind her before she came to a halt before you with her hands behind her back. You watched her look down at the corpse before you and met your gaze.

"Impressive. You've grown since you've first awakened, haven't you?" the woman said as she took a step forward.
Oh-ho-ho-ho-ho, bitch you may've played some hand in awakening Brie, but you cannot comprehend what you're fucking with right how.
The Iron Maiden parted and tore itself apart as Lancer stepped out, his armor of thorns unscathed by Assassin's blow. She clicked her tongue and narrowed her gaze as she held her scepter. She didn't have enough prana to call her Noble Phantasm. She could run but it would take time to lose him. She must get Olga back... But this man was in her way.
... oh fuck me. Carimella's going through Lancer to get Olga back... which means Kiara's already gotten to Gudao. Was the whole attack on Hans' mansion just staged to fool us? Or did Hans act quicker than us, and we're just fucking this alliance up before it starts?
Enchantments and runes were etched upon the air around Lancer as he and Assassin clashed. The Blood Countess weaved and countered before ultimately breaking their exchange with a swing. Sparks flew before Lancer took this chance to lunge. He was going for her heart.

....

CLANG

Silver.

A hand pushed her back and sent her into the ground. A white cape filled her vision followed by silver armor, the figure of a Knight unraveling before her eyes. His silver arm shined in the dim light of the subway while he held an estoc in his normal hand. He stood between her and Lancer, breaking them apart and keeping the Knight of Thorns away from her.

"Saber," Assassin breathed in surprise.

"I've come to help," Saber replied as he spared her a momentary glance, "Please stay calm."
Speaking of destroying the alliance before it happens, Hans and Emiya are not enemies.

Fuck my life.

You do recall her backstory right? Her cult basically threatened a whole continent and people in power were so afraid of her, they actively tried to kill and put bounties on her death. The one that succeeded in killing her was an Emiya Shirou and he had to fight her entire fanatical cultist and whatever happened there at the end broke him. Turned him into a whole dark Detroit version of Emiya Alter.

That was her without any significant magus power or Servant backing her up.
Different timeline @taovkool she's a threat to be sure, but not on the same level here. Her FGO self has a very different order of events going on. As long as we're cautious and keep her potential in mind she's a manageable danger.
No, Taov's not just focusin on F/GO. They're correctly remembering the Fate/EX backstory. Which is this:
She learnt Spiritron-hacking from fellow worshippers. Afterwards she reformed the Tachikawa Eiten School, rapidly increasing the number of believers over the internet and became the leader of the cult. Kiara Sesshouin saved many lost people with the doctrine of Tachikawa-ryu as her foundation. The Church also acknowledges Kiara Sesshouin as a modern prophet, due to a certain opinion of a Cardinal; one of the candidates for the next Pope.

However the virtual religious cult no longer exists. She is the last officiating monk of the barely surviving Shingon Tachikawa school. All of the believers who followed Kiara committed suicide, men and women adored her so much that they killed themselves. People who fell deeply in love, people who were addicted to maltreating her, people who were dependent on conversation with her, people who hated her to death, people who lost themselves in carnality. All with the same result. Suicide. Even offline, people who got involved with her would almost invariably commit suicide. Even virtual police investigators and intelligence operatives from the Western European Plutocracy got taken in. According to Julius B. Harwey, the intelligence operative died in order to save her from her adherents who were going to kill her and that individual was antisocial, and not the type to pursue women.

After saving many people, she was betrayed by those she saved. She saved many people, but those same people trampled her good intentions underfoot. She was betrayed by human beings countless times. Yet she never abandoned her resolve to give them salvation. Betrayed by both faith and people, she was slandered as a murderer. It's also a fact that she was the cause of mass suicide and hostilities. Consequently, with the sponsorship of the Western European Plutocracy, she became an internationally wanted digital criminal.
Kiara already has her substitute for Spiritron-hacking. In the Age Of Mystery, magecrafted potions and alchemy still work. It's what's in those drugs, that influx of Prana. And yet, she sees no issue in taking everything from her cultists. Their money, their lives, their sanity, even when they go off and cause carnage and hurt the people around them she remains steadfastly convinced of her own righteousness. She clearly has influence in Buddhist and Hindu circles, even if she hasn't imposed on Christianity yet. The woman is a walking war criminal. She's evil. Pure, utter, evil. I am speaking with zero hyperbole when I repeat that she is this war's Zolgen Matou.

Olga can change, wants to change. Kiara refuses, if she even possesses the capacity to change. Therefore, she must die.

[X] "Rider. Explain. What happened between you and this lady. You've been acting real weird, Rider. What did you do?"
I think Medb was originally Kiara's servant, and Kiara pulled a Kotomine in ganking another master for Arjuna. And Medb was not happy in serving as Kiara's Servant.

Good news, we can make Kiara burn a command seal by trying to kill her here and now.
 
[X] "Rider. Explain. What happened between you and this lady. You've been acting real weird, Rider. What did you do?"
 
Will the lot of you calm the fuck down? This is an AU, and beyond her cult there is literally no evidence that Kiara is as big of a threat as you say

Besides which, I will not stand for any course of action that involves preemptive murder

[X] "That's besides the point now. Let's get back on topic. I need your help and I'm willing to call a truce until we solve Berserker."
 
[X] "That's besides the point now. Let's get back on topic. I need your help and I'm willing to call a truce until we solve Berserker."
 
Will the lot of you calm the fuck down? This is an AU, and beyond her cult there is literally no evidence that Kiara is as big of a threat as you say

Besides which, I will not stand for any course of action that involves preemptive murder

[X] "That's besides the point now. Let's get back on topic. I need your help and I'm willing to call a truce until we solve Berserker."

This is an AU, but on the other hand, they are correct that there is no version of Kiara who is a good person. She is, at best, horribly misguided, wishing to do right but lacking any kind of moral compass to tell her what 'right' actually is. A well-intenstioned sociopath in short.

And when she's drugging/brainwashing half the city already, murder at this point has very quickly ceased to be 'preemptive' in any way.

That said, I think the guesses that Rider was originally her servant don't really scan. I suspect what's more likely is that since Rider was soliciting sex for mana, and Kiara is inherently tied to sexuality in just about every incarnation, the two of them probably had a fling at some point. That's dangerous still, very dangerous, but it's not nearly as bad as what some of you are guessing at I think.
 
This is an AU, but on the other hand, they are correct that there is no version of Kiara who is a good person. She is, at best, horribly misguided, wishing to do right but lacking any kind of moral compass to tell her what 'right' actually is. A well-intenstioned sociopath in short.
Actually FGO Kiara seemed like a decent person (actually, quite a good person) until that Demon Pillar beamed Fate/Extra Kiara into her head.

Edit: Though yeah, this Kiara, considering what she's done, seems to be pretty dangerous.
 
Actually FGO Kiara seemed like a decent person (actually, quite a good person) until that Demon Pillar beamed Fate/Extra Kiara into her head.

Edit: Though yeah, this Kiara, considering what she's done, seems to be pretty dangerous.

Still a well-intentioned sociopath. The GO version was better in that her good intentions actually ended up doing some good due to her work as a therapist, but she's still the same person at her core, and this quest's iteration of her seems a lot more on course for something closer to her Extra self than her Pre-Demon-Pillar-GO self.
 
Yeah well we're stuck in a room with Indian Hawkeye so I think murder is out for the time being.

[X] "Rider. Explain. What happened between you and this lady. You've been acting real weird, Rider. What did you do?"

We can bully and then get on topic.
 
Now I've thrown in four cents. Hope it makes a difference.

So few things to make note of:
1) Kiara is, essentially, the UBW Shirou of talking. She's easily able to manipulate people if she wishes to. The only time this really seems to fail is when a person knows exactly what her goal is and what it entails.

2) Last time we met, we broke Olga. This would leave her in the perfect state for Kiara to manipulate her. Kiara would know exactly what Olga wants to hear and have her curled around her finger.
2a) If this is true, Olga is essentially "Captured" by Kiara. Olga herself would almost certainly not know that. Assassin though, who's manipulated people herself during her life, would likely recognize what's happening. As such I think Kiara is currently acting as Assassin's de fact leader. Something along the lines of "Do as I say, or she dies/goes crazy".

3) It's rather suspicious that the first thing Kiara would point out when we meet her is the fact that Rider has met her before. I'd chalk this up to her trying to make us distrust Rider. Because of this, I don't think we should acknowledge this. Let it past in the wind as it where. Because taking the bait, which I think this is, is falling into her hand.

4) No matter what Kiara says to someone, I'm almost certainly Rider's Charm, at least for males, would triumph it. Because one's using manipulation, while the other is literally using mind control. So I think we can at least do decently in a "Follower" battle against her if we prepare.

5) Noticed that Lancer was taking jack for damage against Assassin. Makes me thing that maybe he's only got one weakness on the armor that can actually let someone hurt him. Total guess here, but I recall someone mentioning how Lancer died against Cu due to having the Gae Bolg shoved up his butt. So maybe, maybe, his only weak point is his ass? Just a guess to be honest.

Sorry if this all a bit much to read...

[X] "That's besides the point now. Let's get back on topic. I need your help and I'm willing to call a truce until we solve Berserker."
 
[X] "That's besides the point now. Let's get back on topic. I need your help and I'm willing to call a truce until we solve Berserker."

Well I've been convinced to change my vote.
 
[x] "Out with it, Rider: did you boink this woman, or did you not? I don't want to waste anymore time hemming and hawing about this."

Wait do we know which saber saber is? am I just dumb

Emiya took his right hand from his pocket and held it out. He met Hans' gaze and said, "Husband, if I may clarify. My wife wouldn't be as forgiving with your choice of words. Still... I'd advise that you withdraw."

"And if I don't?" Hans replied as he tapped his cane on the ground and etched a rune upon the floor's surface.

"Trace On."

Emiya, Emiya stap we need lancer more than Assasin.
 
Emiya, Emiya stap we need lancer more than Assasin.
Assassin hasn't promised to kill us slowly while Rider watches, so at this point, I very much disagree with that

also:
And when she's drugging/brainwashing half the city already, murder at this point has very quickly ceased to be 'preemptive' in any way.
maybe I'm a terrible person, but until she tries to do something to Rider or Brie, I would count any hostile action as very preemptive
 
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Assassin hasn't promised to kill us slowly while Rider watches, so at this point, I very much disagree with that
You think that Assassin wouldn't do that at this point? Sure she hasn't threatened it, but considering how much she hates us, she was completely willing to kill Rider in front of us, and I wouldn't be surprised if she was willing to do it the other way around as well.
 
Consolidation ahoy.
[X] "That's besides the point now. Let's get back on topic. I need your help and I'm willing to call a truce until we solve Berserker."
 
maybe I'm a terrible person, but until she tries to do something to Rider or Brie, I would count any hostile action as very preemptive

Yes, you are a terrible person for saying that.

[X] "That's besides the point now. Let's get back on topic. I need your help and I'm willing to call a truce until we solve Berserker."
 
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