A Game of Crowns (Mafia)
- Thread starter LostDeviljho
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- Mafia
- Location
- US
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Sorry, I have been working more than usual the last few days. I'll try to post something more before day ends.
Nanimani
Probably listening to music
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Hum. I'd normally go for Ban or 1K off that tally, but I'll wait for Ban to actually participate tomorrow like they said they would. And I'd just feel bad going on 1K, especially with no one actually posting reasons for them.
Absum's claim really is rather off, but at the same time, their actions don't feel sus to me. Kinda like a Nega-Evenstar.
Gah, this isn't about pressuring anymore but finding an acceptable vote.
[X] Lynch Look to the Left
Inactivity votes are there for when there's nothing better. We're at that for the second day in a row, which is not a particularly good spot to be in, if I'm being honest. Still, it's the only thing I can think of. Got way too many people with no data points in my notes even this late. Should push tomorrow. Should. We'll see if I can actually work up the energy.
Absum's claim really is rather off, but at the same time, their actions don't feel sus to me. Kinda like a Nega-Evenstar.
Gah, this isn't about pressuring anymore but finding an acceptable vote.
[X] Lynch Look to the Left
Inactivity votes are there for when there's nothing better. We're at that for the second day in a row, which is not a particularly good spot to be in, if I'm being honest. Still, it's the only thing I can think of. Got way too many people with no data points in my notes even this late. Should push tomorrow. Should. We'll see if I can actually work up the energy.
- Location
- Inside my own head
- Pronouns
- They/Them
This seems pretty important to me? This means the RBer is likely Town, no? Not per se ofc and I don't want to fall into a trap here but I do think it's noteworthy. Though atm it doesn't really affect any actions.
Well, idk which interaction you mean, but if you can't find anything consider if Town would have a reason to do it, and then consider if/how much it would hurt scum to fake? Looking town is always an option after all.
Nictis
Best Sidekick
- Location
- Ninja Dave's Cookies
- Pronouns
- Any
- Location
- Inside my own head
- Pronouns
- They/Them
It was my first assumption because we know for sure that we have magic but we don't know either way for the invaders? And tbh I was probably influenced by tropes because they're called barbarians and that didn't really make me think magic.
- Location
- Inside my own head
- Pronouns
- They/Them
I haven't actually claimed anything. Well, I suppose I have now claimed a tiny bit of flavour, but that's pretty vague.
D1 was not an inactivity vote though. Unless you're talking about your own vote mb?
- Location
- United States
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Okay this should be a quick thing to respond to.
Evenstar scum in Neighborhood :
Unless scum are in multiple neighborhoods their initial suspicion on all the team talk is pretty weird from scum but Evenstar is a strong player and knows that some overt paranoia can look town on future looks and it heavily pushes them towards their claim if they are wrong. (Less likely theory is disorganized mafia signaling but I'd assume there is better ways to do that.) This concern is also strengthened by them stating that they don't believe the flavor makes sense for multiple neighborhoods down the line seems incongruent with their initial suspicions.
Now as I've said in my wall of text, the rationale for scum Evenstar to make the reveal and have such public suspicions even if unfounded is the following: Attempting to convince the people in their neighborhood that they are in fact town by kinda shoving the paranoia and revealing themselves openly, making themselves seem the most townie of however many people are within the chat, and becoming their pubic voice if need to which gives Evenstar room to manipulate them and gain free town cred from the people in the neighborhood.
So basically the play is all about positioning themselves to get some people unknown or known more likely to consider her town and trustworthy. It doesn't have exceptionally strong other uses in my opinion, even though it does give me a town read of her.
Also on the LTTL lynch vote, like I get it, I still have no quotes on them at all in my notes, but it does feel like an exceptionally easy lynch right now that grants us no information really... unless they are scum I guess in which case quite an oddly informative inactivity lynch, but I have nothing besides absence that pushes me towards that conclusion and there are a ton of people plainly inactive, myself can easily be included in such a list to be honest.
- Location
- US
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Just putting down some thoughts on my phone at work so no quotes or anything.
For the reasons @1KBestK explained to me there are several ways to read the decision to NK QT, which gives us little to go on.
I am still confused about the Absum/Comiturtle thing but it looks like no further info is forthcoming, unless someone else has some insight into the situation.
A couple questions about role blocking. I assume town role blockers could accidentally block town PRs, right? Would the person being blocked see anything if they didn't have a night action to block? And does the blocker normally get any feedback about whether they blocked an action or just wasted their move?
For the reasons @1KBestK explained to me there are several ways to read the decision to NK QT, which gives us little to go on.
I am still confused about the Absum/Comiturtle thing but it looks like no further info is forthcoming, unless someone else has some insight into the situation.
A couple questions about role blocking. I assume town role blockers could accidentally block town PRs, right? Would the person being blocked see anything if they didn't have a night action to block? And does the blocker normally get any feedback about whether they blocked an action or just wasted their move?
Nanimani
Probably listening to music
- Pronouns
- She/Her
So why do you say the flavor indicates Town? Is it the ritual alone? I know my own flavor wasn't much in the way of making me think this is good.
Yeah, it ain't really an informer lynch. But at the same time, I'm actually looking forward to participation off other people. Only one I can think of who says much but gives me nothing is Est, but I've seen someone townread them. Entirely possible I missed shit.
You fall into the category of "Wait for the thing they're gonna do." If you don't actually post your analysis, that'd be one thing, but you're still working on it.
That is how RBers usually work, yes.
This feels like fishing, and I don't like it. Also, it depends on the game, IIRC. However, also IIRC, seeing a block when they have no night action to send is more likely than seeing nothing.
I've never known an RBer who got any of that kinda feedback.
- Location
- US
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I have no real read on Happery, LTTL, DG, or PyrrosWarrior just from lack of data.
Thoroughly confused on Absum and Comiturtle.
I've got a pretty strong town read for Nictis and InterstellarHobo.
That leaves 1Kbest, Evenstar, Nanimani, Ban, Cyriccubed and Est. Of them, I have a tenuous town read on Nani and ES.
No strong scum reads yet. And given my track record, I am not anxious to announce even weak scum reads without a lot more evidence than I have right now.
I have tried to proofread this mess a couple times, but I am phone posting so sorry in advance for typos and crimes of autocorrect.
Thoroughly confused on Absum and Comiturtle.
I've got a pretty strong town read for Nictis and InterstellarHobo.
That leaves 1Kbest, Evenstar, Nanimani, Ban, Cyriccubed and Est. Of them, I have a tenuous town read on Nani and ES.
No strong scum reads yet. And given my track record, I am not anxious to announce even weak scum reads without a lot more evidence than I have right now.
I have tried to proofread this mess a couple times, but I am phone posting so sorry in advance for typos and crimes of autocorrect.
Cyricubed
Residant Bird.
- Location
- United States
- Pronouns
- He/Him/Birb
Oh christ
No. It means we have a roleblocker and they blocked Nani...ahh...hmm...idk what to make of this now...
I finished my ISO's...but honestly...
I found almost entirely NAI stuff...like...ugh...
The worst things I found was Evenstar's really unprompted Neighborhood claim, the points Nictis already pointed out on Absum, and some weirdness from Nani that honestly I'm not sure what to make of it...
Like, I could quote everything like I did with TD/Absum but honestly...most of it(90% of it) is noise with no value.
@Look to the Left hey do stuff. *Poke*
[X] Lynch Absum
I hate to say this but I think I'm sheeping with this one...I iso'd Nictis along with Even, Nani, and Absum and I found that despite Nictis being everywhere this day phase and tbh I'm a bit disappointed my ISO didn't end up pointing out more(I just wanted more insight on what I could have done better honestly) I have a confidant town-read on Nictis. That said, I'm gonna trust Nictis here in the absence of...well...anything.
- Location
- US
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Sorry, didn't mean to be fishing. I just wasn't clear whether saying "I was roleblocked" was equivalent to "I had a role and it was blocked" or just "somebody used a roleblocking power on me". It seems it is the latter.
That's why I didn't tag you specifically to ask. It doesn't benefit us to give any clues about PRs at this point. But I needed to know what was implied by your claim. It is one of the handful of clear sources of information from this whole day, and the only one that makes sense to me. I would have asked in the general mafia thread but I didn't want to look like I was discussing the game outside this thread.
So it appears all this tells us is somebody is a roleblocker or jailer.
- Location
- United States
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Vines seems much more Roleblocker than jailer, jailer generally has some flavor of being protected in some form, like being shoved into a barrel, or locked in a room/building. Thorns kinda suggests tied up open for people to eliminate. Certainly not impossible but the flavor Nani gives indicates RB much more strongly.
Cyricubed
Residant Bird.
- Location
- United States
- Pronouns
- He/Him/Birb
*Remembers Donkey Kong*
- Location
- Inside my own head
- Pronouns
- They/Them
So my (semi-old?) reasons for the Nani lynch:
Having done a quick ISO to refresh myself on this though, Nani does also have content I do like. My other option at Day start was Cyricubed, but while I think (no ISO yet) I have seen less I like of them, I also feel I'd have even less of a case? Only really that I think the bait D1 was bad and that they went too hard. Which isn't really much of anything :/
- The Doctor thing at the start (sorry but I really don't like that kinda play)
- Interactions wrt Evenstar (this, this and this, and this one especially in how it relates to the Ban vote)
- The timing and Reasons (though on current ISO I do actually like the now provided actual reason) of the -Rosen vote and importantly the timing of leaving the -Rosen vote, especially when combined with this post later (which also defends ES again btw)
Having done a quick ISO to refresh myself on this though, Nani does also have content I do like. My other option at Day start was Cyricubed, but while I think (no ISO yet) I have seen less I like of them, I also feel I'd have even less of a case? Only really that I think the bait D1 was bad and that they went too hard. Which isn't really much of anything :/
- Location
- Inside my own head
- Pronouns
- They/Them
And actually because I love talking about myself (lol) @Nictis can you please detail why you think I am scum? Like I understand that you think I pretended to be a specific role (I don't entirely agree with your interpretation but w/e I should have paid more attention to my own posts) but I don't really see the jump to scum here?
Nictis
Best Sidekick
- Location
- Ninja Dave's Cookies
- Pronouns
- Any
Depends on the GM, but usually yes on the target being informed, and no on the blocker being told. Your attempt at knowing if Nani is a Power Role is noted however.
Gonna need to look at this whwn I grt off work, phone posting doesn't work well with links on SV.
WILL ALSO HAVE TO RESPOND TO THIS LATER, DON'T HAVE TIME ATM.
THIS POST IS MOSTLY REMINDERS FOR MYSELF AT THIS POINT, LOL.
Cyricubed
Residant Bird.
- Location
- United States
- Pronouns
- He/Him/Birb
Beep Boop. Feels like a voicemail answer.
Maybe I should look more into Meso now, I'll do them along with 1K/Ban's sweep over instead of saving the newbies for the last sweep over.
- Location
- Hell
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[X] Null
Not going to have my vote for the day be one made under duress. Absum I can't read properly, LttL is a pure inactivity vote. I don't like any of these lynches, but I think atm I prefer Absum because they're worth slightly more info (from the perspective of not currently seeing a lot of value in any of these lynches), but I'd need to refresh myself on the arguments first, which I won't be able to do for a few hours.
Not going to have my vote for the day be one made under duress. Absum I can't read properly, LttL is a pure inactivity vote. I don't like any of these lynches, but I think atm I prefer Absum because they're worth slightly more info (from the perspective of not currently seeing a lot of value in any of these lynches), but I'd need to refresh myself on the arguments first, which I won't be able to do for a few hours.