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Even Further Beyond [Complete]
- Thread starter Rihaku
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Lealope
Not yet invincible
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[X] Justice
ugh fuck, i know i'm flip flopping like a madman here. i just can't decide between following bonedaddy's wishes or turning them into the slaves of a resurrected diagram nation and their ex-servants. you really can't gloat if they're incoherent from pain and gloating is one of life's great pleasures
"hey, autumn, what were you calling weebshit again? it was so long ago for me since i'm only 18 but i'm sure it feels like yesterday to you. how do you feel about it now? still think it's disgusting?"
"hey winter, bet you wish you'd went with zang kong's idea, huh? if you'd managed to put aside your petty, selfish, stupid grudge, maybe you wouldn't be spending eternity as my footrest. how unfortunate for you."
"hey spring, how're you feeling? i'm sure you're grateful to me for giving you a chance to help the people of the world directly as my personal janitor. it's okay, no need to thank me, i was just so inpsired by your compassion to the people of the world; so empathetic that you were fine with the cycle of ages and planned on murdering me. i heard about the fated love you guys had planned, aren't you glad you're going to spend the rest of eternity with me (cleaning up my mistakes)?"
just being maximally shitty and smug. it'll be great.
ugh fuck, i know i'm flip flopping like a madman here. i just can't decide between following bonedaddy's wishes or turning them into the slaves of a resurrected diagram nation and their ex-servants. you really can't gloat if they're incoherent from pain and gloating is one of life's great pleasures
"hey, autumn, what were you calling weebshit again? it was so long ago for me since i'm only 18 but i'm sure it feels like yesterday to you. how do you feel about it now? still think it's disgusting?"
"hey winter, bet you wish you'd went with zang kong's idea, huh? if you'd managed to put aside your petty, selfish, stupid grudge, maybe you wouldn't be spending eternity as my footrest. how unfortunate for you."
"hey spring, how're you feeling? i'm sure you're grateful to me for giving you a chance to help the people of the world directly as my personal janitor. it's okay, no need to thank me, i was just so inpsired by your compassion to the people of the world; so empathetic that you were fine with the cycle of ages and planned on murdering me. i heard about the fated love you guys had planned, aren't you glad you're going to spend the rest of eternity with me (cleaning up my mistakes)?"
just being maximally shitty and smug. it'll be great.
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Oh man, that's true. If there's only one or two more updates left, then an epilogue of rubbing it in their faces would be more entertaining than just listening to their screams.
Lealope
Not yet invincible
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- She/Her
This would be so much easier if we knew what we could buy with BP during the epilogue. If, for example, the Logos or the Praxis was on offer, I'd condemn them to bonedaddy's tender mercies in a heartbeat. But if it's just improvements to other people's lives, I couldn't give less of a fuck.
[X] Vengeance
probably gonna flop around a few more times unless there's some decisive factor revealed.
We know we can spend BPs on IA, at the very least, so that's a thing.
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- Actually pretty lost
But the Tribulation is caused by the Heavens getting mad some mortal is getting uppity. With Justice, we would control the Heavens, and thus the Tribulation (or lack thereof.)
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- USA
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- He/Him
All we need do is stop escalating and not make artifacts.
Beautifully said, Orm! This certainly cements my decision to choose Vengeance.
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This is in large part a characterisation vote, and I don't like setting the precedent that we're happy to commit atrocities if it will slightly improve the success of someone we like. Frankly, it reminds me of the appalling nepotism shown in Xianxia novels - it's okay to do awful things to other people, if it slightly helps someone you have a connection to.
Hell, Baenlixnaire didn't even really like us. We were using each other to get what we wanted - it was a business transaction we were literally bound to the terms of, not a selfless sacrifice. We'll be resurrecting him anyway, he can find something new to do.
Hell, Baenlixnaire didn't even really like us. We were using each other to get what we wanted - it was a business transaction we were literally bound to the terms of, not a selfless sacrifice. We'll be resurrecting him anyway, he can find something new to do.
No, we are willing to let Baen do his thing because everyone involved deserves it.
Like, I would legit vote for this if we had no BP rewarded to us. And being able to EFB our good end is very much something I'm looking for.
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They by definition do not deserve it - that's what Justice doles out, an eye for an eye. Vengeance is escalating far beyond that, purely because Baen hated the Fates so much.
Da Boyz
The Cutest Apocalypse.
[x] Vengeance
My kneejerk reaction was to pick justice but...nah.
This is what Nameless has geen gunning for this entire time, what bone daddy sacrificed his life and yet more important things for, the culmination of the story. Let's make it as glorious and terrible as possible.
My kneejerk reaction was to pick justice but...nah.
This is what Nameless has geen gunning for this entire time, what bone daddy sacrificed his life and yet more important things for, the culmination of the story. Let's make it as glorious and terrible as possible.
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They very much deserve the Lich they played with. Its the very definition of reaping their just reward.
Just as Bean has deserved his own happy ending after all this suffering.
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No, it's not. There's an ironic feeling to it, sure, but that's not what they deserve. People don't deserve to have terrible things happen all out of proportion to their misdeeds just because one of their victims gets to do it.
Are we seriously going to forget about our Mentor's own crimes? He was a genocidal maniac like all the liches before him.
The Diagram Empire made humans the only species left in the world outside of the elves.
And that wasn't because of a lack of trying.
To be honest, he deserved what he got. The only people here with an argument for innocence are the past Overlords.
And only because they were force into it under extreme durance.
.. Because magic they were given explicitly thrived on genociding other magic users.
Guess who designed said magic?
They created spiteful Lich to act as a doll in their little play. They can now have him.
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Giving people the retribution they actually deserve is literally the definition of Justice. You're not describing that, you're describing a vengeful ironic punishment. It's not right, it's just satisfying. You can vote for Vengeance because you want that satisfaction, but don't pretend it's secretly the real Justice option, because it's not.
Shard
One and Many
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- Malaysia
They designed magic systems which ensured amorality would be rewarded. Diagram magic supported and encouraged genocide. Cultivation encourages amoral growth, the Endless Sky being the logical conclusion. I wouldn't be surprised to discover many more magic systems along these lines of "Conduct heinous acts for power or be the victim of such acts". If Banelixnaier was not the way he was and did not participate in genocides, there would be another Banelixnaier who would have done the same.
They also made to annihilate all other Divinities who could have stopped them from doing so.
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No, I am voting for it because I don't give a shit about Fates, and as such have no reason to save them from mess they themselves created.
And?
No, seriously. How does that change the situation? Our Mentor was still responsible for his actions. They could have, you know, just not have killed everyone and then conducted henious experiments to grow their power even more.
As much as some people may want to believe otherwise, the maker of a tool holds little to no responsability as to how it's used.
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Shard
One and Many
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- Malaysia
Hypothetically, if a terrorist was freely provided nuclear weapons, is the provider of the nuclear weapons free of blame when it is used to blow up a city? What if the provider provided nukes in proportion to it's use?
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- Pindorama
What else needs to be said?
[X] Vengeance
If they didn't want this, they shouldn't have left a remnant of the Age they destroyed, mourning for all the glories they lost and plotting the Fate's demise for five thousand plus years. That's just common sense.
Yeah, they don't deserve this, but fuck them.
However, I wouldn't mind Justice winning, so I'm not super invested in this vote. It's rare to feel like this in Rihaku quest, so I'm going to savor it.
Hey, if they spend every waking moment filled with pain beyond imagining, they will hardly be able to play against us, will they?