Ability to control essence and hilariously insane level of it will be a rather major to any Artificer, yes.
Although Essence generation will still be somewhat of an issue.
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Even Further Beyond [Complete]
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Although Essence generation will still be somewhat of an issue.
Aabcehmu
Confusion as a Natural State of Being
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That's actually a thought. Rihaku waved us away from encouraging diablerie among our vampire spawn, which is understandable, but Elves are already selfless enough to occasionally sacrifice themselves to create a Magnum Opus, so what about reverse-diablerie? One vampire-elf giving all of their (massively empowered) essence to another, repeat a few times to produce vampire elf god (or a handful of really powerful magna opera).
Shard
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I personally would prefer having them be turned to something productive. Endless Age/Artifice production could be both horrible and productive.
Just repeat the Blood Implantation to refill them up to Stage 15. Army of Elves isn't really needed, we could do this with one elf but it would burn out Artificing capability.
In fact if we wipe out the overgrowth this might be a very easy way to progress stages in a power-loop of Implant->Extract->Implant if Nameless was willing to endure Immortal Tribulation. It doesn't even have to be an elf.
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I need to know what Immortal Awakening is so bad.
Turns out, Rihaku tormented us for a bit longer than "the next couple weeks", unless you think that "a couple weeks" means 65 god damn weeks spent wondering what cool new shiny toy awaits us on the next page of the thread.
I will never give up on immortal awakening.
Current theory: All power so far is thematically flavored by an age and a ring. Age of Might, Age of Truth, Age of Grace, and so on, each with their own ring. The final pinacle of every kind of power is a ring, and Immortal Awakening is no exception; Immortal awakening is where you make your own ring, a Ring of Nameless. And maybe you get your own age too.
It's basically the One Ring from Lord of the Rings. Unlike the others, the One Ring wasn't a tool to be used, it was him, the greater part of his soul and his spirit, and anyone who wore the ring turned into Sauron. The Ring of Truth makes you more true and makes everyone else see your truth, the Ring of Strength makes you strong and makes everyone covet your strength, but Immortal Awakening creates a ring that makes everyone who wears it act like you, and you act like yourself.
It also explains why the ring of Truth works with Immortal Cultivation but the Ring of Strength does not; Truth lets you discern your true identity more effectively, which is helpful for making a ring of the self, while the Ring of Strength just gives power.
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Projectile
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[X] Rain
-[X] Go Even Further Beyond [10 BPs]
[X] Annihilate.
Alectai made me think, and, yeah, the Cain route is just asking for the Heroine to leapfrog to Stage 14ish before her sire dies in a stupid twist of Fate. Much less suspension of disbelief is needed if EFB Distillation is in the world.
Which sucks, because Distillation is super cool.
But EFB Rain is cool, too, and God-Empress Suizhen gives me hope for the world. Also, it's a steal. A 25 BP value for the price of 10! Actually, probably a few less, but I don't remember what we Beyonded of Suizhen's stages. And then three less, because we lose FB Forge. Whoo boy, I'm not getting many argument points for this one.
Nameless does get maxed out loyalty to Suizhen, too. I'm not too worried, because it's reciprocal and Suizhen is a decent person, but it is... interesting. That's insanely high.
Anyway! All the morality of Philosopher-King without a percent of the responsibility! That's what I call a scam (read this in the kind of voice that tells children that eating vegetables is cool).
About Annihilate, yeah, I got nothing. I would generally want to negotiate, but one of my terms is "basically, I want you dead," so.
-[X] Go Even Further Beyond [10 BPs]
[X] Annihilate.
Alectai made me think, and, yeah, the Cain route is just asking for the Heroine to leapfrog to Stage 14ish before her sire dies in a stupid twist of Fate. Much less suspension of disbelief is needed if EFB Distillation is in the world.
Which sucks, because Distillation is super cool.
But EFB Rain is cool, too, and God-Empress Suizhen gives me hope for the world. Also, it's a steal. A 25 BP value for the price of 10! Actually, probably a few less, but I don't remember what we Beyonded of Suizhen's stages. And then three less, because we lose FB Forge. Whoo boy, I'm not getting many argument points for this one.
Nameless does get maxed out loyalty to Suizhen, too. I'm not too worried, because it's reciprocal and Suizhen is a decent person, but it is... interesting. That's insanely high.
Anyway! All the morality of Philosopher-King without a percent of the responsibility! That's what I call a scam (read this in the kind of voice that tells children that eating vegetables is cool).
About Annihilate, yeah, I got nothing. I would generally want to negotiate, but one of my terms is "basically, I want you dead," so.
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Thing is, we could just use Artifice ourselves - we do have bunch of buffs for that, after all. That being said, it could be something to consider in case we lose our Artifice.
Shard
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Nameless is lazy, basically. And outsourcing Artifice production avoids some Fate-problems as Rihaku had mentioned (inability to spam Artifacts), and gives access to more versatility.
I already blew my load on why I think keeping Zang Kong around as the monster he is right now is both unconscionable and pointless (the benefits of his servitude before we have to kill him anyways aside, I suppose) and why I think negotiation can't really get us out of this dilemma (cause the thing that makes him such a problem is literally the only thing he wants or even can want), so I'll keep this brief.
Any negotiation process with him that includes reviving this or that person kinda feels like it's putting the cart before the horse?
If you're fucking around with dead people in order to not kill ZK, better just kill him and look into a way to resurrect the multitudes without him afterwards. Or at least promise you'll get around to it. Someday. They're already dead so it's not very urgent.
Make it the thing you work on whenever you need an excuse not to do something else. How could you possibly countenance going to this thing you really don't wanna go to when countless lives depend on your project that you are totally working on instead?
Any negotiation process with him that includes reviving this or that person kinda feels like it's putting the cart before the horse?
If you're fucking around with dead people in order to not kill ZK, better just kill him and look into a way to resurrect the multitudes without him afterwards. Or at least promise you'll get around to it. Someday. They're already dead so it's not very urgent.
Make it the thing you work on whenever you need an excuse not to do something else. How could you possibly countenance going to this thing you really don't wanna go to when countless lives depend on your project that you are totally working on instead?
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Aabcehmu
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It's important to remember that we're, like, t-1 month or less away from sieging Heaven. The Heroine isn't even going to know who she is before we destroy the infrastructure that's protecting her, and once we do, she no longer has any special protections or automatic windfalls. She could still end up being a vampire of our line, but it would no longer be more likely than pure chance.
So, feel free to vote for Distillation! If you're worried, we can just go Scry-n-Die the Heroine after killing Heaven and Kong, and without her plot armor she'll fold like a house of cards.
Projectile
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For some reason I forgot that killing the fates meant killing fate for the Heroine.
And on second thought, giving Suizhen talent in ruling would mean making her resistant to scams, and that's just unconscionable.
[X] Tyranshal's Distillation [Blood, Battle]
-[X] Go Even Further Beyond [10 BPs]
[X] Annihilate.
How hard would be creating quick and dirty Sign spell that has our current combat level as attack power? Like, Toss Boulder or something.
Stage 20 Toss Boulder sounds fun.
Shard
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To be honest the only we way we will not EFB is if we don't have the BPs for it. As in, right now.
Aabcehmu
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Okay, having looked at the semi-mangled vote tally, here's what I think is happening.
Negotiation and Annihlation are almost tied, 22 to 21.
EFB Distillation has a small lead at 18, followed by EFB Rain at 15, followed by Ring at 13, with Plan Split Three Ways at the rear of the pack with 5 votes.
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Negotiation and Annihlation are almost tied, 22 to 21.
EFB Distillation has a small lead at 18, followed by EFB Rain at 15, followed by Ring at 13, with Plan Split Three Ways at the rear of the pack with 5 votes.
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Hey! We were clocked at over 9 BP on The Curtain Rises, and we've had several pages of discussion, including two pretty long reactions to Prelude to Apocalypse and two moderate quality, moderate length omakes. We could be at 10+ BP already!
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Aabcehmu
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Same. Think of the bloodplay possibilities!
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if we thought she was a memelord when she was an elf
imagine what she'll be like as a vampire
my god
Aoinfinity
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For some reason I couldn't find the "cringe in terror" rating button, so have a Funny instead.
But we will be getting EFB - IA EFB. This is basic financial literacy - you don't spend your currency on first thing you are offered to by; you save up and buy the thing you truly need.
Say no to irresponsible spending. Don't only become first True Immortal but do so as an absolute boss. Go beyond mere winning and grasp utter and absolute victory.
Shard
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By that IC logic we should be going for Might, because it has the certain possibility of winning. It is not an irresponsible spending to guarantee your own survival.
You might as well say that farmers are irresponsible because they eat food to live instead of saving up to buy an elephant or tractor or suchlike.