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Congregation of Despair (Mafia - Second Attempt)

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Okay. If I read this right, then people are a little suspecting of me not really picking a side earlier, right? Or not really stating my opininons clearly? If so, then I'll start by saying that during that whole debacle earlier, I was leaning heavily towards Nani being correct, but that was mostly because of my earlier suspicion of QT not being entirely cleared up yet. I was trying to be objective about it all, though, since I really had no idea about that gigantic mess. I didn't really post a vote since I was about to head to bed, and I didn't want to leave such a volatile situation even worse off during my sleep. Fortunately, that all seems resolved now.

As of the matter of my opinions, I'll reread the thread and post them shortly.
 
Oshha - Strongest Town. It's out there, and it's pretty much impossible for him to have been culted at this point in time.

Swarmingu - Incoming replacement. If they try a cheeky last minute post, I will vote them next day as a matter of principle, no matter what.

Nictis - I have a bias against Nictis. Always see them as susp no matter what they do. Must be trauma or something. Anyway, looking past my bias, he seems town. But he always does. Nictis is tough to judge.

Nanimani - Strong town. Liked the active hunting done against someone that certainly looked like scum in their eyes. I'm certain that they're town.

1KbestK - Defender of people now confirmed to be town. Doesn't exclude them from being scum, but it doesn't look that bad in my eyes. Null-Town.

QTesseract - Everything's cleared up, they seem to be town. Or, you know, at least were day 1. Can't comment on if they were culted.

Broken Base - Null-Town. Generally liking their reasons and arguments. Many "I didn't like how fast the wagon grew" happenings, though. Even if I share their sentiments of that.

Dovah - Null. Not really much there, tbh.

Absum - Null. Likewise, doesn't leave much of a mark on me.

Happery - Null. Nothing really noteworthy.
 
Broken Base said:
1. That cult know who the veterans are
2. That cult chose to prioritize veterans over other factors (players potentially suspicious of them, PR reads, etc.)
3. That the cult feels that recruiting veterans is important at all.
4. That the cult wouldn't assume that the veterans are going to be protected, investigated, etc. so they chose to pick somebody less expected
5. That the cult wouldn't decide that the optimal pick is somebody that has some experience playing games (Absum, 1K, Happerry, Dovah) but technically isn't considered a veteran.
6. Wait, why isn't DimensionalGuy a veteran again?
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1. Even if we're dealing with a cult with only 2 players, then odds are at least one of them knows the veterans, and due to quantity and quality of veteran posts, even if one didn't know, it wouldn't be hard to find out.
2. The main suspicion, at least that I saw in the thread, was towards QT, someone I'm sure wasn't a vamp at that time, so I can't really see the other factors playing much of a role here?
3. Fair point.
4. Also a fair point.
5. And another fair point.
6. I certainly wouldn't consider myself a veteran. The first game I played was the colosseum one, and I lurked. After that it was the W40K one. Let's not talk about that one. Frontier Mafia. A little bit more active, but really lacklustre. If I just had spoken up about my suspicions towards Nictis... First Archdemon. I posted alot day one agains Nictis, and got them killed. Didn't really need to say much after that though. Mesozoic. Died night 1. The small batman game. Ended day one, I believe through no real participation of myself. Third Archdemon. Didn't do much, and died meaninglessly on my own. It is a fair number of game, but the quality of my plays are lacking. So I really wouldn't say that I'm near experienced enough to call myself a veteran.

Generally, while it's not certain that the one recruited last night was a veteran, I do believe that it's more likely than not.
 
[X] Lynch Absum

When it comes to me or them, well, I know myself to be town, so even if they aren't the one I'd most want to vote (Nictis, I can't trust him no matter what it seems), it's also far from the worst option.
 
DimensionalGuy said:
1. Even if we're dealing with a cult with only 2 players, then odds are at least one of them knows the veterans, and due to quantity and quality of veteran posts, even if one didn't know, it wouldn't be hard to find out.
2. The main suspicion, at least that I saw in the thread, was towards QT, someone I'm sure wasn't a vamp at that time, so I can't really see the other factors playing much of a role here?
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I'll grant you #1, but #2 I'm still more skeptical on. It could be somebody that came up low-key on a suspect list at some point, just somebody that is mentioned as being suspicious; that kind of player could easily prove a threat down-the-line since they would likely join any wagons against the other player, and would push them in the future if they can't convince them they're town, which could prove to be a tricky prospect, especially if the player is stubborn. Snatching up people that suspect you but aren't actively pushing against you yet isn't a bad play for the cult; I would say there are potentially better ones, but I should stop here since letting the cult pick town's brain further isn't the best move. The point is, there are alternatives.

[QUOTE="DimensionalGuy, post: 12680122, member: 6060"6. I certainly wouldn't consider myself a veteran. The first game I played was the colosseum one, and I lurked. After that it was the W40K one. Let's not talk about that one. Frontier Mafia. A little bit more active, but really lacklustre. If I just had spoken up about my suspicions towards Nictis... First Archdemon. I posted alot day one agains Nictis, and got them killed. Didn't really need to say much after that though. Mesozoic. Died night 1. The small batman game. Ended day one, I believe through no real participation of myself. Third Archdemon. Didn't do much, and died meaninglessly on my own. It is a fair number of game, but the quality of my plays are lacking. So I really wouldn't say that I'm near experienced enough to call myself a veteran.[/QUOTE]

Hm, I might be willing to concede this one too, though I could see cult, if they do know you played a decent amount of games, thinking you might be a good prospect and not as obvious as Nani, Nictis, maybe me, etc. It's a toss-up in my view.

That said, I do find your response post more persuasive than Absum's, since you put a lot more emphasis on producing content than immediately going on the defensive and not really producing that much. I'll put Absum at L-1, with the caveat that if anyone hammers before Absum responds (unless deadline is about to hit), they should be lynched the next day.

[X] Null
[X] Lynch Absum

Claim please.
 
There is no issue really, it was part of an early kind of draft where I noted that you were part of the wagons yourself, but since you pretty much started the one I was looking at the time, I removed it since it didn't really seem suspicious after further consideration. Sorry about the confusion.
 
Broken Base said:
That said, I do find your response post more persuasive than Absum's, since you put a lot more emphasis on producing content than immediately going on the defensive and not really producing that much. I'll put Absum at L-1, with the caveat that if anyone hammers before Absum responds (unless deadline is about to hit), they should be lynched the next day.

[X] Null
[X] Lynch Absum

Claim please.
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I've told you twice why I don't/didn't have time for that (I'm going home now) and I really don't think putting anyone at -1 is a good idea.

I don't actually trust you atm but I don't see any way I'm not dying (especially as I do not think DG is scum right now, though I obviously still haven't had time to check) so I might as well claim.

I am Natalia, Duchess of Boktor. I'm constantly invited to the court because I rule one of the major duchies. I'm old and my only skill is debating (i.e. I'm vanilla Town).
 
I'm gonna follow through on this lynch still, but if they flip town I'm probably going to say we should lynch base.
 
So... I believe @Absum's claim, we've had a significant lack of Vanilla Town lately and it'd be too ballsy to claim an expendable role like that so close to the end of the Day. I'd still rather not have us lynch @Swarmingu since they're about to be replaced though. Day is ending in three and a half hours, and I'm probably going to be at work for the rest of it without a chance to check the thread.

If we have any other suspects, I'd appreciate if someone can make a really quick case against them in the next... Thirty minutes so I can hop over.

1KBestK said:
I'm gonna follow through on this lynch still, but if they flip town I'm probably going to say we should lynch base.
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Mmm. I'll admit, you've been kinda sorta niggling at me. I don't have time to go through and find out why though, so...

[x] Lynch 1KBestK

Can someone find out if this is an unreasonable suspicion or if it's worth following up? Something about their behavior has been worrying at me, and this is just a bit too much for my radar and not enough time to verify.
 
Nictis said:
So... I believe @Absum's claim, we've had a significant lack of Vanilla Town lately and it'd be too ballsy to claim an expendable role like that so close to the end of the Day. I'd still rather not have us lynch @Swarmingu since they're about to be replaced though. Day is ending in three and a half hours, and I'm probably going to be at work for the rest of it without a chance to check the thread.

If we have any other suspects, I'd appreciate if someone can make a really quick case against them in the next... Thirty minutes so I can hop over.


Mmm. I'll admit, you've been kinda sorta niggling at me. I don't have time to go through and find out why though, so...

[x] Lynch 1KBestK

Can someone find out if this is an unreasonable suspicion or if it's worth following up? Something about their behavior has been worrying at me, and this is just a bit too much for my radar and not enough time to verify.
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Absum could be lying and they could be culted, so even if they were vanilla town that doesn't mean they aren't currently scum. I'm also following through so we actually kill someone because it's far too late to get another wagon going safely. I've been suspicious of Base for this entire game, and I'll make a post about it on day 3 because we literally do not have time right now. Can oyu hold off on this until day 3, please? I want to guarantee a lynch because we're ina pretty bad spot right now.
 
1KBestK said:
Absum could be lying and they could be culted, so even if they were vanilla town that doesn't mean they aren't currently scum. I'm also following through so we actually kill someone because it's far too late to get another wagon going safely. I've been suspicious of Base for this entire game, and I'll make a post about it on day 3 because we literally do not have time right now. Can oyu hold off on this until day 3, please? I want to guarantee a lynch because we're ina pretty bad spot right now.
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If you yourself have the time you should just make the post cause you never know what will happen at night.
 
Oshha said:
Hey @Nictis, since we have cleared up what happened, what was your idea on what happened back when you made this post?
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Mason with a Watcher who had seen who all my visitors were.
1KBestK said:
Absum could be lying and they could be culted, so even if they were vanilla town that doesn't mean they aren't currently scum. I'm also following through so we actually kill someone because it's far too late to get another wagon going safely. I've been suspicious of Base for this entire game, and I'll make a post about it on day 3 because we literally do not have time right now. Can oyu hold off on this until day 3, please? I want to guarantee a lynch because we're ina pretty bad spot right now.
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Three hours is more than enough time to swing a lynch, I'd know. I've swung lynches around in half an hour when needed.

Unfortunately I don't have time to do that, but if people are certain about Absum then my vote won't really matter.
 
Rather, since you're here @1KBestK maybe explain why you want to lynch @Broken Base tomorrow if (and When, if you're scum) Absum flips as Town? I might have missed something before, but that's the tipping point for me right now.
 
[X] Lynch Broken Base

They're a veteran so I don't think they are the vigilante (who is suspected to be a novice) and I believe that as a veteran, they could have been targeted for culting last night if they hadn't started as cult.

I have any real reason to vote for them beyond the above vague ones, but I am being told to not vote for Swarmingu so I am switching to BB.
 
Nictis said:
Mason with a Watcher who had seen who all my visitors were.

Three hours is more than enough time to swing a lynch, I'd know. I've swung lynches around in half an hour when needed.

Unfortunately I don't have time to do that, but if people are certain about Absum then my vote won't really matter.
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It's three hours? I just got confused because you mentioned thirty minutes in the post I responded to. My time settings are still messed up because I've been travelling because it's hard to tell how long we have left because of that.

Absum said:
If you yourself have the time you should just make the post cause you never know what will happen at night.
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I'm really jetlagged and somewhat faded at the moment. I'll see if I feel up for it, but right now I don't think I could do a good job on it.
 
1KBestK said:
It's three hours? I just got confused because you mentioned thirty minutes in the post I responded to. My time settings are still messed up because I've been travelling because it's hard to tell how long we have left because of that.
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Thirty minutes was how long Nictis would be available before the lynch ends as the next time they would be available, it would be after Day 2 ends.
 
I dunno. I was gonna need to read through the posts to identify what exactly was setting off my alarm bells, but Base has been consistently been reading as suspicious to me. I didn't want to actually make a post about it until i had checked everything, though, as it could just be a feeling. Definitely not gonna be able to do that before nictis leaves, so unless that's enough for them to swing this wagon around, I'll probably hold off.
 
It's more for the people who might agree with me, I find deciding that the people who had to have been culted between two specific people and trying to confirm the lynch early to be something a nee cultist would particularly want to do.

And I'm at work, bye.
 
Alright so:

ComiTurtle, TheMaskedReader, Yun: Don't think I can get much from them. Yun argued a bit with Base but I don't think they gave reads. Of TMR's mild scum reads DG, Dovah and Happerry are still alive.

Nictis: I usually expect Nictis to be more aggressive than this. Has still contributed but I dunno, they always do :V.

QTesseract: Ehhhh. Town I guess, but I'd almost expect QT and Nani to be SK and Cult. QT's claim D1 and their posts during that weird mess still read as suspicious to me. Nani I'll get to.

Happerry: I still believe Base's arguments against them hold, which is a bit awkward. Could just be because of not being Oracle but I'll have to see what viable scum teams my reads give me.

Nanimani: So as I said still Town, mostly because I don't think scum would want to attract so much attention. The post with which they start the lynch on me is real bad though. I already mentioned it before but it straight up ignores multiple people and says I was just there with DG contributing more, but imo if we limit ourselves to that entire mess I'd say we contributed about as much and (at the time the post was made) I'd contributed more outside of that. Oh and also that they seemed to zoom in pretty hard on DG, BB and me, which kinda echoes BB zooming in on me and DG for no given reason before that.

Dovah: Has a lot of posts but a lot of null reads and no real pushes or support of any.

Broken Base: Up until her second to last post I would've said town, but I really don't like the entirely unnecessary putting someone 1 vote from lynch. I also didn't like her saying that she probably gonna lynch me or DG without really giving any reasons, previously, especially seeing as she kept it between me and DG even after she said she'd forgotten Dovah was in the game and calling them out. Not sure about actual scum read yet though.

Absum: I am what I claimed. I don't agree with the rationale for voting me because I don't agree that I've been the most floaty/least contributing (ignoring Swarmingu).

Swarmingu: Not present.

DimensionalGuy: Eeeh. Null read atm. Could have contributed more but I feel they've done more than Dovah.

Oshha: Town read because the only way they're not is if that entire thing was a ploy by QT, Nani and Oshha cult, but that seems highly unlikely.

1KBestK: Town read. Has tried to do stuff and been posting quite a bunch.


I'm still thinking about actual scum team options, the possibility of Swarmingu being one and Dovah being one when they got roleblocked kinda messes with things. Also the possible SK.
 
@Broken Base I'd actually like an explanation for this
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Honestly I'm not sure where to go from here so I'm just going to hope somebody can help lead me to the promised land with a knock-down argument. If I don't see nnything compelling by tonight I'll try and make an argument on DG or Absum or something.
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and for um... err.... something I thought of and immediately forgot.
 
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