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                         NOTICES
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Cacophonous Interlude is NOT active
  (the QMPC does NOT hear what you write right now)
Next story update : Sometime in July would be nice
Next vote closing : TBD
Progress toward next update : 3,146 words
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Anything I post that's not in text blocks or in spoilers
may be understood to be said by the QMPC, with the
exception of the Collaboration Post
  (see Collaboration Post for details on itself)
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Players do not need to use code blocks or spoilers
outside of cacophonous interludes

If you use code blocks, please limit yourself to 32 lines
and your lines to 57 characters, so that people on mobile
can read them without scrolling within the code block
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This is not meant to be Plagiarism Quest.

You're not discouraged from using outside reference
material or quoting other sources.  When you do, please
cite your sources in spoilers or a code box.
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 I have added some players who contributed a fair amount
the last two times as thread collaborators who can update
   the collaboration post. If you'd like to update the
collaboration post too, contact me by PM and we'll talk
                        about it.




Check the Collaboration Post and read the latest story post in the Threadmarks to get a rough idea of where things are at.

If you're not already involved in the game, portions of either of these may be difficult to follow. But you can skip to the line that says "B R E A K" in the latest threadmarked story post and skim from there to get an idea of what's going on.

If there's no corresponding Closing The Vote post in the Informational threadmarks for the latest story post in (normal?) Threadmarks, then the game is in a cacophonous interlude and the QMPC will hear what you post, unless you do so with spoilers or code boxes. The NOTICES portion at the top of this post should also tell you if the game is in a cacophonous interlude.

So you can engage with other players, make suggestions, ask questions, and propose plans and you can compose a message to the QMPC all whether or not the game is in a cacophonous interlude. And once it is, you can vote and/or send a message to the QMPC by creating a post in the thread.

If you want to vote, simply do so as you would in other quests on this board. You may look at other players' votes to see how yours should be formatted. And you may check the tally to see that yours are counted as you intend them.

If you want to send a message to the QMPC, though, keep in mind that they are a creature of their time. They may not understand what you mean if you don't take the time to make it clear. This game rewards and demands work from its players. When a player wants to introduce a concept or tool or technology to the QMPC, that player will probably need to expend effort to explain it carefully, and take into consideration the limits of the QMPC's understanding of the world.

I think this is similar enough to Graeber's 'interpretive labor' that we can use the term colloquially to describe what is being asked of players. Put yourself in the mind of the QMPC and ask yourself how such a person can be made to understand what you want to tell them.

The QMPC has different values than we do. They have different assumptions about the world and objects and forces within it. Their goals may not align directly with number-go-up or color-get-big gaming agendas. But they want something, and will listen most attentively to players that tell them how to get more of or closer to what they want.
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                    Collaboration Post!
  1. The Quest Master posts story updates that have 3 parts.
    • Quest Master Player Character responses to player posts made during the last cacophonous interlude
    • An update by the QMPC following a break of varying length but usually some number of years, covering what the character believes is worth mentioning
    • Requests by the QMPC for direction on a number of issues, which the players will provide in the form of votes
  2. Following each story update, players posts are audible to the QMPC until voting is closed.
    This is the cacophonous interlude.
    • Players may convey any information they can represent in text.
    • No images, sounds, or hyperlinks will get through (this is my limitation, not a limitation of the game, so please do not try to transcend it with clever protocol tricks).
    • Players may use spoilers or code blocks to communicate with each other without doing so in ways the QMPC can hear.
  3. When votes are tallied, the QM collects player posts so that it may be known what the QMPC heard.
    • Votes are tallied in the conventional fashion. So only votes in the most recent post by each player are counted. [X] marks what the player is voting. And only identical write-ins accumulate.
    • Some votes are querying the players for their preference, in which case the only suboptimal answer is that which does not accurately reflect the preference of the players who nonetheless chose it (I don't think these kinds of misunderstandings can be helped).
    • Other votes are intended as puzzles where there is a choice the QM believes would best meet what they believe to be the goals of the players.
      • However, in these sorts of votes the QM has in mind a choice that would provide the players with what the QM thinks they most want, but which is not listed in the available votes.
      • In this way, clever write-ins are encouraged.
  4. QM reads player posts, researches their suggestions, checks notes for precedent, determines what the QMPC thinks they already know on the topic, what they're right or wrong about, how likely they are to engage with the topic, how likely the QMPC's followers are to follow-through in the matter, and finally what the result is going to be later on.
  5. QM composes QMPC's responses to player posts made during the cacophonous interlude and updates their notes.
  6. When narrative benefits from uncertainty and chance, QM devises tests for QMPC or other characters and makes those tests using die rolls on a post made just for that purpose.
    • Skill or attribute tests will be made with a largely undocumented homebrew modification of the Burning Wheel system, mangled to suit the format of this game. (The Burning Wheelis a good system and I encourage you to check it out.)
      • Tests may be a contest between two characters or against a static target with tiered results.
      • The rules being used and followed will be described in each post in which tests are made by die rolls.
      • Normal mortals count 7s and better as successes.
      • Heroic characters and characters who are otherwise innately magical count 6s and better as successes.
      • Demigod characters and characters who otherwise possess some spark of divinity count 5s and better as successes.
      • New gods and characters who have otherwise stolen the power of Old Gods count 4s and better as successes.
      • Old Gods count 3s and better as successes.
      • Sorcery and other magic skills lower the threshold of success by 1 to a minimum of 3 only when they are the skill being tested, not when they provide a bonus to other skills. Players may note that Old Gods' threshold of success does not improve when they use magic.
      • Bonus dice provided by Kahl's Warhorses and any incendiary devices more complicated than a burning arrow reroll 9s & 10s and keeps successes. These same bonus dice cancels successes on 1s & 2s, rerolls those, and additional 1s & 2s cancel additional successes. More 1s, 2, 9, or 10s mean more rerolling and more successes or cancelations, but only in the manner of the original die. That is, a 1 or 2 that comes up when a 9 on a bonus die is rerolled don't cancel successes or lead to further rerolling.
    • Research project results are determined by percentile dice with results falling into 5 tiers.
      • Uh oh: something has gone horribly wrong
      • Nuh uh: failure, but the boring kind
      • Huh: partial success
      • Uh huh: full success
      • Whoa: superior special case success
    • When players expect a test to be coming up -- for example if they vote for an invasion or to send a diplomat to manipulate a foreign leader -- they can improve the odds of the test turning out the way they want by providing the QMPC with advice specific to that matter. If the advice is not mistaken or outright bad, there will be at least a chance it will help. That is, decent advice adds dice.
  7. QM composes the QMPC's post-break update, player vote questions, and player vote options.
  8. GOTO 1
The QMPC is intended to be the only character the players will interact with in this game. (It's kind of possible that the players could maneuver the QMPC to surrender control of the Astute Cacophony to another character, but unlikely.)

The QMPC is a small, evil woman who knows magic and has not died, despite looking like she probably should have at some point. She goes by the name Bianca the Undying. Her early life took place in the Paleolithic, in which she has said that she traveled around quite a bit and came to understand the malleable nature of populations of people and animals and even the land itself. At some point she was trapped underground, to her displeasure. She remained trapped for a very long time.

When Bianca got out, she found her way to a community of eight tribes living pastoral and agrarian lifestyles in the local Copper Age. She made these people hers and they relied on her for magically enriching their fields so that they did not need to slash, burn, and move around a bit, unlike their neighbors. Bianca and her followers formalized their relationships into the Eight Ways Pact. Later, another tribe joined Bianca's followers bringing small horses and the Bronze Age and their pact was updated with a ninth directive.

Bianca has an agenda that requires her to have more power than she does right now. She believes that achieving divinity will get her that power.
 
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I didn't see it as obvious castration, maybe an error of language on my part, tried to change my answer accordingly but the site throws me an error. I guess i will try it again later

Then try again and report serious bug in the case of any issues. I strongly suggest voting strategically for my option, as the one with most votes will be implemented, and only then words and explanations may be taken into account. You indeed misunderstood selected option at first.
Adhoc vote count started by liberty90 on Mar 30, 2019 at 5:33 PM, finished with 41 posts and 11 votes.

  • [X] [Factotum] Write in: Use him as your first table-ruler and select people who love numbers and are suitable for service as lesser table-rulers, but no cutting off their balls is needed, as not all customs of cities are wise, some details are idiotic. Also, there is no reason why women couldn't be table-rulers, as no cutting off balls is truly needed, and minds of women are not worse than these of men.
    [X] [Huckster] Tour for spells, gold for goods, anything held for anything wanted, really.
    [X] [Mendicant] Call for tribute of lesser giant bond slaves, grain, and all manner of beasts; teach agriculture and pastoralism to the lesser giants for as long as their bonds last, send them back to their tribe with the seeds and small herds; guide from a great distance
    [X] [Cacophony] liberty90
    [X] Cacophony CraftingDragon
    [X] [Factotum] Select some few of those who the eunuch claims are meant to serve, mark them, and have the eunuch teach them to live in that way
    [X] [Factotum] Select some few of those who the eunuch claims are meant to serve, and have the eunuch teach them what he knows.
    [X] [Factotum] Whatever, just don't cut off anybody's balls.
    [X] [Huckster] Host as huge a celebration as possible, try to arrange for the seduction of every person on the pack train, bring these strangers into the people
    [X] [Huckster] Take it all, deal with objections as they occur
    [x] [Huckster] Write in: Show enough to get interest and trade some, but don't show all and trade with patience
    [x] [Mendicant] Send for the Galugr tribe and settle them within the lands of the Nine Nations
    [x] [Mendicant] Send for the Galugr tribe and settle them within the lands of the Nine Nations
    [x] [Huckster] Write in: Show enough to get interest and trade some, but don't show all and trade with patience
    [X] [Mendicant] Turn down the deal
    [X] [Cacophony] Demonic Spoon
    [X] [Cacophony] Kiba

Adhoc vote count started by liberty90 on Mar 31, 2019 at 9:25 AM, finished with 45 posts and 14 votes.

  • [X] [Factotum] Write in: Use him as your first table-ruler and select people who love numbers and are suitable for service as lesser table-rulers, but no cutting off their balls is needed, as not all customs of cities are wise, some details are idiotic. Also, there is no reason why women couldn't be table-rulers, as no cutting off balls is truly needed, and minds of women are not worse than these of men.
    [X] [Huckster] Tour for spells, gold for goods, anything held for anything wanted, really.
    [X] [Mendicant] Call for tribute of lesser giant bond slaves, grain, and all manner of beasts; teach agriculture and pastoralism to the lesser giants for as long as their bonds last, send them back to their tribe with the seeds and small herds; guide from a great distance.
    [X] [Cacophony] liberty90
    [X] Cacophony CraftingDragon
    [X] [Factotum] Select some few of those who the eunuch claims are meant to serve, mark them, and have the eunuch teach them to live in that way
    [X] [Factotum] Select some few of those who the eunuch claims are meant to serve, and have the eunuch teach them what he knows.
    [X] [Factotum] Whatever, just don't cut off anybody's balls.
    [X] [Factotum] Allow the eunuch to teach the teach the 'born-to-rule' youth, singer or no
    [X] [Huckster] Take it all, deal with objections as they occur
    [X] [Huckster] Host as huge a celebration as possible, try to arrange for the seduction of every person on the pack train, bring these strangers into the people
    [x] [Huckster] Write in: Show enough to get interest and trade some, but don't show all and trade with patience
    [x] [Mendicant] Send for the Galugr tribe and settle them within the lands of the Nine Nations
    [x] [Mendicant] Send for the Galugr tribe and settle them within the lands of the Nine Nations
    [x] [Huckster] Write in: Show enough to get interest and trade some, but don't show all and trade with patience
    [X] [Mendicant] Turn down the deal
    [X] [Cacophony] BungieONI
    [X] [Cacophony] Kiba
    [X] [Cacophony] Demonic Spoon
 
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An army that pushes people around to make them obey you is clearly an insufficiently complete answer, or rather, only one possible answer or only one purpose among many. Many of the voices do not fear the armies, because the armies' purpose is to protect the people from the armies of other people who may wished to do them harm.

How does one inspire loyalty from the armies? That is a difficult and complex question to answer, but it surely does not necessary means that the nine tribes will need to cower before your army, especially if the nine tribes think the armies are themselves, then there is no need to raise a tribe above other.

I will show one way to make an army loyal and cohesive. Let for example, we want the army to be loyal to the nine nations or to the army itself, instead of particular tribe they belong to. We called such belonging, their 'identity'. It could be any group, from group of warriors, their family, the tribe they are in, and so forth. Whichever group they have the most loyalty to is usually their primary identity.

So how do we create an army identity?

You want to start by mixing members from the various tribes into individual groups, so that their survival and success is dependent on their group, succeeding. You then pitch groups of warriors against each other in mock battles and training. They will learn that if they want to live, they will need to cooperate with other warriors in their group. It does not matter what tribes they belong to.

Thus, you should reward groups of warriors on how well they fare in battle or how they helped support other groups in battle. Never reward people by what tribe they belong to. Praise them for defending the tribes, punish them for putting themselves above of that the army or the group.

This will over time create a cohesive identity for an army to work together instead of bickering with each other or favoring one tribe above another.

You can recreate this process for any group you wishes to create or strengthen.

You will also need to weave yourself into the creation of the identities so that they will be loyal to you, but I will leave it as exercises for other voices.
will expand more.
 
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Now as i tried again I was able to edit my previous post about the vote so i remove it from here

These were too added to the previous post

Edit: i will add at least this to my post
Ice house:
I cannot find a good reference on ice houses not having to be underground. Many were but not all, as tick stone walls can hold cold as well. Also instead of digging a pit straight down i think it would be better to digging it into a hillside by digging the shape out from the hillside. building walls and putting the ground back again so that part of the walls would be covered, but not all, and not the ceiling. This way it would also be easier to make the draining system as the door and the floor would be level to the front side of the building. If there is no hills then maybe putting earth on top of the building to make a cellar like structure?, but i think it should be a bit better ventilated than completely underground cellar. Do anyone with more architecture/engineering background want to comment on this or explain it to Bianca?

Another thing i thought about still is the warming of houses. I don't know how much it is needed if we are south enough, but when building the chimney if we built outward from there so that a bigger part of a house were bricks, lets say one end wall, then it would save heat from the fire in the oven and warm the house.
 
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Then try again and report serious bug in the case of any issues. I strongly suggest voting strategically for my option, as the one with most votes will be implemented, and only then words and explanations may be taken into account. You indeed misunderstood selected option at first.

I still got the error so I wrote a new post with my reconsideration. I hope this is okay for our GM
 
An army that pushes people around to make them obey you is clearly an insufficiently complete answer, or rather, only one possible answer or only one purpose among many. Many of the voices do not fear the armies, because the armies' purpose is to protect the people from the armies of other people who may wished to do them harm.

How does one inspire loyalty from the armies? That is a difficult and complex question to answer, but it surely does not necessary means that the nine tribes will cower before your army and be totally meek about it.

will expand more.

We have basically feudalism and despotic imperial army as 2 alternatives, as far as I can see. And the imperial army is at least more centralized and easier to control. I cannot see any reasonable way to persuade her for anything else.

Also, as was said privately, could I persuade you to support my solution about more humane administration instead of castrating children?
Adhoc vote count started by liberty90 on Mar 29, 2019 at 12:05 PM, finished with 25 posts and 5 votes.

  • [X] [Factotum] Write in: Use him as your first table-ruler and select people who love numbers and are suitable for service as lesser table-rulers, but no cutting off their balls is needed, as not all customs of cities are wise, some details are idiotic. Also, there is no reason why women couldn't be table-rulers, as no cutting off balls is truly needed, and minds of women are not worse than these of men.
    [X] [Huckster] Tour for spells, gold for goods, anything held for anything wanted, really.
    [X] [Mendicant] Call for tribute of lesser giant bond slaves, grain, and all manner of beasts; teach agriculture and pastoralism to the lesser giants for as long as their bonds last, send them back to their tribe with the seeds and small herds; guide from a great distance
    [X] [Cacophony] liberty90
    [X] Cacophony Arcus
    [X] [Factotum] Select some few of those who the eunuch claims are meant to serve, mark them, and have the eunuch teach them to live in that way
    [X] [Huckster] Take it all, deal with objections as they occur
    [x] [Huckster] Write in: Show enough to get interest and trade some, but don't show all and trade with patience
    [x] [Mendicant] Send for the Galugr tribe and settle them within the lands of the Nine Nations
    [X] Cacophony CraftingDragon
 
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You are right, that was in a very bad taste. I honestly apologize, I was simply happy about the update, and too enthusiastic about voting.^

In regards to cats, it seems that it's possible to domesticate almost anything after a few generations:
Domesticated red fox - Wikipedia
 
You are right, that was in a very bad taste. I honestly apologize, I was simply happy about the update, and too enthusiastic about voting.^

In regards to cats, it seems that it's possible to domesticate almost anything after a few generations:
Domesticated red fox - Wikipedia
While it is theoretically feasible to domesticate most animals, it is much harder for many not already suited for social interactions, and there should be a commensurate utility gained from the large amount of time and resources invested to accomplish this.
 
[X] [Factotum] Write in: Use him as your first table-ruler and select people who love numbers and are suitable for service as lesser table-rulers, but no cutting off their balls is needed, as not all customs of cities are wise, some details are idiotic. Also, there is no reason why women couldn't be table-rulers, as no cutting off balls is truly needed, and minds of women are not worse than these of men.

[X] [Huckster] Tour for spells, gold for goods, anything held for anything wanted, really.

[X] [Mendicant] Call for tribute of lesser giant bond slaves, grain, and all manner of beasts; teach agriculture and pastoralism to the lesser giants for as long as their bonds last, send them back to their tribe with the seeds and small herds; guide from a great distance

[X] [Cacophony] liberty90

Human races are equal, and in fact talking about human races is pseudoscience.
While this is true of our world, is it true of this setting? As an example, there are damage resistance and skill/spell affinity differences between Bretons, Imperials, Nords, and Redguards in the Elder Scrolls settings.
 
While this is true of our world, is it true of this setting? As an example, there are damage resistance and skill/spell affinity differences between Bretons, Imperials, Nords, and Redguards in the Elder Scrolls settings.

I literally said one sentence later that the Fisher People (humans) and giants sounds like species extremely divergent in psychology, so much that living in the same areas may be truly challenging. So, IRL race differences are mostly racism (with a few exceptions, like better tolerance for the sun with darker skin color, obviously!), but here matters are more difficult. I'm thus against settling giants directly inside of our realm.
Adhoc vote count started by liberty90 on Mar 29, 2019 at 12:41 PM, finished with 31 posts and 6 votes.

  • [X] [Factotum] Write in: Use him as your first table-ruler and select people who love numbers and are suitable for service as lesser table-rulers, but no cutting off their balls is needed, as not all customs of cities are wise, some details are idiotic. Also, there is no reason why women couldn't be table-rulers, as no cutting off balls is truly needed, and minds of women are not worse than these of men.
    [X] [Huckster] Tour for spells, gold for goods, anything held for anything wanted, really.
    [X] [Mendicant] Call for tribute of lesser giant bond slaves, grain, and all manner of beasts; teach agriculture and pastoralism to the lesser giants for as long as their bonds last, send them back to their tribe with the seeds and small herds; guide from a great distance
    [X] [Cacophony] liberty90
    [X] Cacophony Arcus
    [X] [Factotum] Select some few of those who the eunuch claims are meant to serve, mark them, and have the eunuch teach them to live in that way
    [X] [Huckster] Take it all, deal with objections as they occur
    [x] [Huckster] Write in: Show enough to get interest and trade some, but don't show all and trade with patience
    [x] [Mendicant] Send for the Galugr tribe and settle them within the lands of the Nine Nations
    [X] Cacophony CraftingDragon

Adhoc vote count started by liberty90 on Mar 29, 2019 at 5:17 PM, finished with 31 posts and 6 votes.

  • [X] [Factotum] Write in: Use him as your first table-ruler and select people who love numbers and are suitable for service as lesser table-rulers, but no cutting off their balls is needed, as not all customs of cities are wise, some details are idiotic. Also, there is no reason why women couldn't be table-rulers, as no cutting off balls is truly needed, and minds of women are not worse than these of men.
    [X] [Huckster] Tour for spells, gold for goods, anything held for anything wanted, really.
    [X] [Mendicant] Call for tribute of lesser giant bond slaves, grain, and all manner of beasts; teach agriculture and pastoralism to the lesser giants for as long as their bonds last, send them back to their tribe with the seeds and small herds; guide from a great distance
    [X] [Cacophony] liberty90
    [X] Cacophony CraftingDragon
    [X] [Factotum] Select some few of those who the eunuch claims are meant to serve, mark them, and have the eunuch teach them to live in that way
    [X] [Huckster] Take it all, deal with objections as they occur
    [x] [Huckster] Write in: Show enough to get interest and trade some, but don't show all and trade with patience
    [x] [Mendicant] Send for the Galugr tribe and settle them within the lands of the Nine Nations
    [x] [Huckster] Write in: Show enough to get interest and trade some, but don't show all and trade with patience
    [x] [Mendicant] Send for the Galugr tribe and settle them within the lands of the Nine Nations
    [X] [Cacophony] Arcus

Adhoc vote count started by liberty90 on Mar 29, 2019 at 7:34 PM, finished with 32 posts and 7 votes.

  • [X] [Factotum] Write in: Use him as your first table-ruler and select people who love numbers and are suitable for service as lesser table-rulers, but no cutting off their balls is needed, as not all customs of cities are wise, some details are idiotic. Also, there is no reason why women couldn't be table-rulers, as no cutting off balls is truly needed, and minds of women are not worse than these of men.
    [X] [Huckster] Tour for spells, gold for goods, anything held for anything wanted, really.
    [X] [Mendicant] Call for tribute of lesser giant bond slaves, grain, and all manner of beasts; teach agriculture and pastoralism to the lesser giants for as long as their bonds last, send them back to their tribe with the seeds and small herds; guide from a great distance
    [X] [Cacophony] liberty90
    [X] Cacophony CraftingDragon
    [X] [Factotum] Select some few of those who the eunuch claims are meant to serve, mark them, and have the eunuch teach them to live in that way
    [X] [Huckster] Take it all, deal with objections as they occur
    [x] [Huckster] Write in: Show enough to get interest and trade some, but don't show all and trade with patience
    [X] [Huckster] Host as huge a celebration as possible, try to arrange for the seduction of every person on the pack train, bring these strangers into the people
    [x] [Mendicant] Send for the Galugr tribe and settle them within the lands of the Nine Nations
    [x] [Huckster] Write in: Show enough to get interest and trade some, but don't show all and trade with patience
    [x] [Mendicant] Send for the Galugr tribe and settle them within the lands of the Nine Nations
    [X] [Mendicant] Turn down the deal
    [X] [Cacophony] Arcus
 
Liberty, you have swayed me.
[X] [Factotum] Select some few of those who the eunuch claims are meant to serve, mark them, and have the eunuch teach them to live in that way
It is a betrayal of our purpose to willfully advise that our beloved lady turn aside a potential tool. And for such petty reasons as "morality". The eunuch can have no children, no family, no dynasty to distract from their duty.
Will there be consequences for this decision?
Yes,
But such is the case for all things in life.

[X] [Mendicant] Turn down the deal
An offer made & a balance owed?
Not this time. Not this road.

[X] [Huckster] Host as huge a celebration as possible, try to arrange for the seduction of every person on the pack train, bring these strangers into the people
This could go the best for ye'.
Yet be prepared for treachery.
A counter play. A thoughtful riot.
A Huckster who don' wanna die yet.
Plant your spirits in the groun'.
And should they flee?..
...Pull them down.
 
It is a betrayal of our purpose to willfully advise that our beloved lady turn aside a potential tool. And for such petty reasons as "morality". The eunuch can have no children, no family, no dynasty to distract from their duty.

It's not only morality, this is decent only short-term. Long-term many other solutions sounds more efficient, like Chinese-style meritocracy and exams, for example. I don't believe that you can forever build decent civil service with eunuchs. In this form it's more like punishment for families and children that would "sow discord" greater than wealth inequality.
 
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"The eunuch says I should find others like him, born to serve, and cut off their balls. He will raise them, he says, and teach them to properly serve me. What is your advice?"

The cutting off of balls is a rather barbaric thing, but I can provide some context. One; it is done to prevent these officials from having children. With no legacy, the idea is that they will be less inclined to seize power from the ruler, as even if they did they would not have anyone to pass that inherited power down to. The effectiveness of this in practice is arguable, though.

Another reason it is done is when the king does not trust uncastrated men with access to his person or his consorts. These kings fear the possibility of being cuckolded, to the point that they will not even let another man near their consorts unless he has been neutered first. Obviously, this is only necessary for mortal rulers who are worried about maintaining their bloodline.

Finally, it is sometimes used as a punishment for crimes committed, but that is usually not the case with those who are made into trusted servants.

In conclusion, the practice is quite pointless for you to import, if you ask me.

That said, the rest of the knowledge he offers should be sound. Let him have his pick of a small number of youths from those who are 'meant to serve', as he puts it. Let him teach them what he knows of numbers and administration and of being a servant, and then I am sure you can find some use for his students.

[X] [Factotum] Select some few of those who the eunuch claims are meant to serve, and have the eunuch teach them what he knows.
 
[X] [Factotum] Select some few of those who the eunuch claims are meant to serve, and have the eunuch teach them what he knows.

I politely argue for my write-in instead, your opinion is very close to mine and it's sometimes useful to vote strategically, so that decent option can have a chance. ^
Adhoc vote count started by liberty90 on Mar 29, 2019 at 8:19 PM, finished with 35 posts and 8 votes.

  • [X] [Factotum] Write in: Use him as your first table-ruler and select people who love numbers and are suitable for service as lesser table-rulers, but no cutting off their balls is needed, as not all customs of cities are wise, some details are idiotic. Also, there is no reason why women couldn't be table-rulers, as no cutting off balls is truly needed, and minds of women are not worse than these of men.
    [X] [Huckster] Tour for spells, gold for goods, anything held for anything wanted, really.
    [X] [Mendicant] Call for tribute of lesser giant bond slaves, grain, and all manner of beasts; teach agriculture and pastoralism to the lesser giants for as long as their bonds last, send them back to their tribe with the seeds and small herds; guide from a great distance
    [X] [Cacophony] liberty90
    [X] Cacophony CraftingDragon
    [X] [Factotum] Select some few of those who the eunuch claims are meant to serve, mark them, and have the eunuch teach them to live in that way
    [X] [Factotum] Select some few of those who the eunuch claims are meant to serve, and have the eunuch teach them what he knows.
    [X] [Huckster] Take it all, deal with objections as they occur
    [x] [Huckster] Write in: Show enough to get interest and trade some, but don't show all and trade with patience
    [X] [Huckster] Host as huge a celebration as possible, try to arrange for the seduction of every person on the pack train, bring these strangers into the people
    [x] [Mendicant] Send for the Galugr tribe and settle them within the lands of the Nine Nations
    [x] [Huckster] Write in: Show enough to get interest and trade some, but don't show all and trade with patience
    [x] [Mendicant] Send for the Galugr tribe and settle them within the lands of the Nine Nations
    [X] [Mendicant] Turn down the deal
    [X] [Cacophony] Arcus

Adhoc vote count started by liberty90 on Mar 30, 2019 at 2:07 AM, finished with 38 posts and 8 votes.

  • [X] [Factotum] Write in: Use him as your first table-ruler and select people who love numbers and are suitable for service as lesser table-rulers, but no cutting off their balls is needed, as not all customs of cities are wise, some details are idiotic. Also, there is no reason why women couldn't be table-rulers, as no cutting off balls is truly needed, and minds of women are not worse than these of men.
    [X] [Huckster] Tour for spells, gold for goods, anything held for anything wanted, really.
    [X] [Mendicant] Call for tribute of lesser giant bond slaves, grain, and all manner of beasts; teach agriculture and pastoralism to the lesser giants for as long as their bonds last, send them back to their tribe with the seeds and small herds; guide from a great distance
    [X] [Cacophony] liberty90
    [X] Cacophony CraftingDragon
    [X] [Factotum] Select some few of those who the eunuch claims are meant to serve, mark them, and have the eunuch teach them to live in that way
    [X] [Factotum] Select some few of those who the eunuch claims are meant to serve, and have the eunuch teach them what he knows.
    [X] [Huckster] Take it all, deal with objections as they occur
    [x] [Huckster] Write in: Show enough to get interest and trade some, but don't show all and trade with patience
    [X] [Huckster] Host as huge a celebration as possible, try to arrange for the seduction of every person on the pack train, bring these strangers into the people
    [x] [Mendicant] Send for the Galugr tribe and settle them within the lands of the Nine Nations
    [x] [Huckster] Write in: Show enough to get interest and trade some, but don't show all and trade with patience
    [x] [Mendicant] Send for the Galugr tribe and settle them within the lands of the Nine Nations
    [X] [Mendicant] Turn down the deal
    [X] [Cacophony] Demonic Spoon

Adhoc vote count started by liberty90 on Mar 30, 2019 at 10:01 AM, finished with 38 posts and 8 votes.

  • [X] [Factotum] Write in: Use him as your first table-ruler and select people who love numbers and are suitable for service as lesser table-rulers, but no cutting off their balls is needed, as not all customs of cities are wise, some details are idiotic. Also, there is no reason why women couldn't be table-rulers, as no cutting off balls is truly needed, and minds of women are not worse than these of men.
    [X] [Huckster] Tour for spells, gold for goods, anything held for anything wanted, really.
    [X] [Mendicant] Call for tribute of lesser giant bond slaves, grain, and all manner of beasts; teach agriculture and pastoralism to the lesser giants for as long as their bonds last, send them back to their tribe with the seeds and small herds; guide from a great distance
    [X] [Cacophony] liberty90
    [X] Cacophony CraftingDragon
    [X] [Factotum] Select some few of those who the eunuch claims are meant to serve, mark them, and have the eunuch teach them to live in that way
    [X] [Factotum] Select some few of those who the eunuch claims are meant to serve, and have the eunuch teach them what he knows.
    [X] [Huckster] Take it all, deal with objections as they occur
    [x] [Huckster] Write in: Show enough to get interest and trade some, but don't show all and trade with patience
    [X] [Huckster] Host as huge a celebration as possible, try to arrange for the seduction of every person on the pack train, bring these strangers into the people
    [x] [Mendicant] Send for the Galugr tribe and settle them within the lands of the Nine Nations
    [x] [Huckster] Write in: Show enough to get interest and trade some, but don't show all and trade with patience
    [x] [Mendicant] Send for the Galugr tribe and settle them within the lands of the Nine Nations
    [X] [Mendicant] Turn down the deal
    [X] [Cacophony] Demonic Spoon
    [X] [Cacophony] Kiba
 
The flying buttress is a specific form of buttress composed of an arch that extends from the upper portion of a wall to a pier of great mass, in order to convey to the ground the lateral forces that push a wall outwards, which are forces that arise from vaulted ceilings of stone and from wind-loading on roofs.

I'm just going to note, perhaps it's jumping the gun a bit to introduce fairly sophisticated architectural forms like the flying buttress, when these people don't even have fixed units of measurement yet. Which is, uh, something fairly important that I think we shluld introduce soon.
 
I'm just going to note, perhaps it's jumping the gun a bit to introduce fairly sophisticated architectural forms like the flying buttress, when these people don't even have fixed units of measurement yet. Which is, uh, something fairly important that I think we shluld introduce soon.

Correct me if I'm wrong, as I utterly suck at math, but it seems to me that if she is slightly lucky then her building shouldn't collapse xD It may be not very useful, though, true.
Adhoc vote count started by liberty90 on Mar 30, 2019 at 3:54 PM, finished with 39 posts and 9 votes.

  • [X] [Factotum] Write in: Use him as your first table-ruler and select people who love numbers and are suitable for service as lesser table-rulers, but no cutting off their balls is needed, as not all customs of cities are wise, some details are idiotic. Also, there is no reason why women couldn't be table-rulers, as no cutting off balls is truly needed, and minds of women are not worse than these of men.
    [X] [Huckster] Tour for spells, gold for goods, anything held for anything wanted, really.
    [X] [Mendicant] Call for tribute of lesser giant bond slaves, grain, and all manner of beasts; teach agriculture and pastoralism to the lesser giants for as long as their bonds last, send them back to their tribe with the seeds and small herds; guide from a great distance
    [X] [Cacophony] liberty90
    [X] Cacophony CraftingDragon
    [X] [Factotum] Select some few of those who the eunuch claims are meant to serve, mark them, and have the eunuch teach them to live in that way
    [X] [Factotum] Select some few of those who the eunuch claims are meant to serve, and have the eunuch teach them what he knows.
    [X] [Factotum] Whatever, just don't cut off anybody's balls.
    [X] [Huckster] Host as huge a celebration as possible, try to arrange for the seduction of every person on the pack train, bring these strangers into the people
    [X] [Huckster] Take it all, deal with objections as they occur
    [x] [Huckster] Write in: Show enough to get interest and trade some, but don't show all and trade with patience
    [x] [Mendicant] Send for the Galugr tribe and settle them within the lands of the Nine Nations
    [x] [Mendicant] Send for the Galugr tribe and settle them within the lands of the Nine Nations
    [x] [Huckster] Write in: Show enough to get interest and trade some, but don't show all and trade with patience
    [X] [Mendicant] Turn down the deal
    [X] [Cacophony] Demonic Spoon
    [X] [Cacophony] Kiba

Adhoc vote count started by liberty90 on Mar 31, 2019 at 5:56 AM, finished with 45 posts and 14 votes.

  • [X] [Factotum] Write in: Use him as your first table-ruler and select people who love numbers and are suitable for service as lesser table-rulers, but no cutting off their balls is needed, as not all customs of cities are wise, some details are idiotic. Also, there is no reason why women couldn't be table-rulers, as no cutting off balls is truly needed, and minds of women are not worse than these of men.
    [X] [Huckster] Tour for spells, gold for goods, anything held for anything wanted, really.
    [X] [Mendicant] Call for tribute of lesser giant bond slaves, grain, and all manner of beasts; teach agriculture and pastoralism to the lesser giants for as long as their bonds last, send them back to their tribe with the seeds and small herds; guide from a great distance
    [X] [Cacophony] liberty90
    [X] Cacophony CraftingDragon
    [X] [Factotum] Select some few of those who the eunuch claims are meant to serve, mark them, and have the eunuch teach them to live in that way
    [X] [Factotum] Select some few of those who the eunuch claims are meant to serve, and have the eunuch teach them what he knows.
    [X] [Factotum] Whatever, just don't cut off anybody's balls.
    [X] [Factotum] Allow the eunuch to teach the teach the 'born-to-rule' youth, singer or no
    [X] [Huckster] Take it all, deal with objections as they occur
    [X] [Huckster] Host as huge a celebration as possible, try to arrange for the seduction of every person on the pack train, bring these strangers into the people
    [x] [Huckster] Write in: Show enough to get interest and trade some, but don't show all and trade with patience
    [x] [Mendicant] Send for the Galugr tribe and settle them within the lands of the Nine Nations
    [x] [Mendicant] Send for the Galugr tribe and settle them within the lands of the Nine Nations
    [x] [Huckster] Write in: Show enough to get interest and trade some, but don't show all and trade with patience
    [X] [Mendicant] Turn down the deal
    [X] [Cacophony] BungieONI
    [X] [Cacophony] Kiba
    [X] [Cacophony] Demonic Spoon
 
The Birds & the Mortals
Code of Life

Children are similar to their parents. Not just among the Peoples, but among all life great and small, plant or animal. Some rare plants and the very smallest animals have only one parent, but the majority have two. I tell you now that these similarities are not merely skin deep. In fact, all living things possess a set of instructions that dictate their growth. To clarify, these instructions do not, and cannot, dictate the precise position of every hair upon the body, or every minor vessel of blood within. Instead, they contain the patterns from which such features are derived. For instance in almost all animals the color of hair / fur is determined by balance of only two substances.
Smallest Life
Return again to analogy of the human and the spider. There exist living things that are to the spider as the spider is to the human. As the human is to the God. It does not go on forever though, The smallest thing that can be considered life is at most one more iteration of as the human unto the god. Now consider that all large life is made up of a community of this smallest life. I understand that this is a challenging concept, not least because the smallest life cannot be directly seen, not even by the Eagle god. This arises due the subtle natures of light which we have not yet covered. Suffice to say that it is impossible for light to form a clear image of objects below a certain size.
Reproduction
Earlier I stated that smallest life has only a single parent. To elaborate, once a smallest life grows large enough it is capable of splitting in half, or sometimes quarters. It is in this way that a new plant or animal grows with each smallest life containing a full copy of the instructions of life. Now you may be wondering how reproduction with two parents takes place. Well, the male and female each have highly specialized forms of smallest life for the job. The male provides a copy of its life instructions, which the female combines at random with its own before beginning the process of growing and splitting. Thus each animal and plant begins as a singular smallest life and grows from there.
 
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[X] [Factotum] Whatever, just don't cut off anybody's balls.
[X] [Mendicant] Send for the Galugr tribe and settle them within the lands of the Nine Nations
[X] [Huckster] Host as huge a celebration as possible, try to arrange for the seduction of every person on the pack train, bring these strangers into the people
 
If somebody wants to point out any weird grammar or typos in my posts, feel free to use PM's. I'm not a native speaker and thus something weird can happen from time to time, and I would like to be understood properly xP
Adhoc vote count started by liberty90 on Mar 30, 2019 at 5:36 PM, finished with 42 posts and 11 votes.

  • [X] [Factotum] Write in: Use him as your first table-ruler and select people who love numbers and are suitable for service as lesser table-rulers, but no cutting off their balls is needed, as not all customs of cities are wise, some details are idiotic. Also, there is no reason why women couldn't be table-rulers, as no cutting off balls is truly needed, and minds of women are not worse than these of men.
    [X] [Huckster] Tour for spells, gold for goods, anything held for anything wanted, really.
    [X] [Mendicant] Call for tribute of lesser giant bond slaves, grain, and all manner of beasts; teach agriculture and pastoralism to the lesser giants for as long as their bonds last, send them back to their tribe with the seeds and small herds; guide from a great distance
    [X] [Cacophony] liberty90
    [X] Cacophony CraftingDragon
    [X] [Factotum] Select some few of those who the eunuch claims are meant to serve, mark them, and have the eunuch teach them to live in that way
    [X] [Factotum] Select some few of those who the eunuch claims are meant to serve, and have the eunuch teach them what he knows.
    [X] [Factotum] Whatever, just don't cut off anybody's balls.
    [X] [Huckster] Host as huge a celebration as possible, try to arrange for the seduction of every person on the pack train, bring these strangers into the people
    [X] [Huckster] Take it all, deal with objections as they occur
    [x] [Huckster] Write in: Show enough to get interest and trade some, but don't show all and trade with patience
    [x] [Mendicant] Send for the Galugr tribe and settle them within the lands of the Nine Nations
    [x] [Mendicant] Send for the Galugr tribe and settle them within the lands of the Nine Nations
    [x] [Huckster] Write in: Show enough to get interest and trade some, but don't show all and trade with patience
    [X] [Mendicant] Turn down the deal
    [X] [Cacophony] Demonic Spoon
    [X] [Cacophony] Kiba

Adhoc vote count started by liberty90 on Mar 30, 2019 at 6:58 PM, finished with 43 posts and 12 votes.

  • [X] [Factotum] Write in: Use him as your first table-ruler and select people who love numbers and are suitable for service as lesser table-rulers, but no cutting off their balls is needed, as not all customs of cities are wise, some details are idiotic. Also, there is no reason why women couldn't be table-rulers, as no cutting off balls is truly needed, and minds of women are not worse than these of men.
    [X] [Huckster] Tour for spells, gold for goods, anything held for anything wanted, really.
    [X] [Mendicant] Call for tribute of lesser giant bond slaves, grain, and all manner of beasts; teach agriculture and pastoralism to the lesser giants for as long as their bonds last, send them back to their tribe with the seeds and small herds; guide from a great distance
    [X] [Cacophony] liberty90
    [X] Cacophony CraftingDragon
    [X] [Factotum] Select some few of those who the eunuch claims are meant to serve, mark them, and have the eunuch teach them to live in that way
    [X] [Factotum] Select some few of those who the eunuch claims are meant to serve, and have the eunuch teach them what he knows.
    [X] [Factotum] Whatever, just don't cut off anybody's balls.
    [X] [Factotum] Allow the eunuch to teach the teach the 'born-to-rule' youth, singer or no
    [X] [Huckster] Take it all, deal with objections as they occur
    [X] [Huckster] Host as huge a celebration as possible, try to arrange for the seduction of every person on the pack train, bring these strangers into the people
    [x] [Huckster] Write in: Show enough to get interest and trade some, but don't show all and trade with patience
    [x] [Mendicant] Send for the Galugr tribe and settle them within the lands of the Nine Nations
    [x] [Mendicant] Send for the Galugr tribe and settle them within the lands of the Nine Nations
    [x] [Huckster] Write in: Show enough to get interest and trade some, but don't show all and trade with patience
    [X] [Mendicant] Turn down the deal
    [X] [Cacophony] Demonic Spoon
    [X] [Cacophony] Kiba

Adhoc vote count started by liberty90 on Mar 30, 2019 at 7:50 PM, finished with 44 posts and 13 votes.

  • [X] [Factotum] Write in: Use him as your first table-ruler and select people who love numbers and are suitable for service as lesser table-rulers, but no cutting off their balls is needed, as not all customs of cities are wise, some details are idiotic. Also, there is no reason why women couldn't be table-rulers, as no cutting off balls is truly needed, and minds of women are not worse than these of men.
    [X] [Huckster] Tour for spells, gold for goods, anything held for anything wanted, really.
    [X] [Mendicant] Call for tribute of lesser giant bond slaves, grain, and all manner of beasts; teach agriculture and pastoralism to the lesser giants for as long as their bonds last, send them back to their tribe with the seeds and small herds; guide from a great distance
    [X] [Cacophony] BungieONI
    [X] Cacophony CraftingDragon
    [X] [Factotum] Select some few of those who the eunuch claims are meant to serve, mark them, and have the eunuch teach them to live in that way
    [X] [Factotum] Select some few of those who the eunuch claims are meant to serve, and have the eunuch teach them what he knows.
    [X] [Factotum] Whatever, just don't cut off anybody's balls.
    [X] [Factotum] Allow the eunuch to teach the teach the 'born-to-rule' youth, singer or no
    [X] [Huckster] Take it all, deal with objections as they occur
    [X] [Huckster] Host as huge a celebration as possible, try to arrange for the seduction of every person on the pack train, bring these strangers into the people
    [x] [Huckster] Write in: Show enough to get interest and trade some, but don't show all and trade with patience
    [x] [Mendicant] Send for the Galugr tribe and settle them within the lands of the Nine Nations
    [x] [Mendicant] Send for the Galugr tribe and settle them within the lands of the Nine Nations
    [x] [Huckster] Write in: Show enough to get interest and trade some, but don't show all and trade with patience
    [X] [Mendicant] Turn down the deal
    [X] [Cacophony] liberty90
    [X] [Cacophony] Kiba
    [X] [Cacophony] Demonic Spoon

Adhoc vote count started by liberty90 on Mar 30, 2019 at 8:08 PM, finished with 45 posts and 14 votes.

  • [X] [Factotum] Write in: Use him as your first table-ruler and select people who love numbers and are suitable for service as lesser table-rulers, but no cutting off their balls is needed, as not all customs of cities are wise, some details are idiotic. Also, there is no reason why women couldn't be table-rulers, as no cutting off balls is truly needed, and minds of women are not worse than these of men.
    [X] [Huckster] Tour for spells, gold for goods, anything held for anything wanted, really.
    [X] [Mendicant] Call for tribute of lesser giant bond slaves, grain, and all manner of beasts; teach agriculture and pastoralism to the lesser giants for as long as their bonds last, send them back to their tribe with the seeds and small herds; guide from a great distance
    [X] [Cacophony] liberty90
    [X] Cacophony CraftingDragon
    [X] [Factotum] Select some few of those who the eunuch claims are meant to serve, mark them, and have the eunuch teach them to live in that way
    [X] [Factotum] Select some few of those who the eunuch claims are meant to serve, and have the eunuch teach them what he knows.
    [X] [Factotum] Whatever, just don't cut off anybody's balls.
    [X] [Factotum] Allow the eunuch to teach the teach the 'born-to-rule' youth, singer or no
    [X] [Huckster] Take it all, deal with objections as they occur
    [X] [Huckster] Host as huge a celebration as possible, try to arrange for the seduction of every person on the pack train, bring these strangers into the people
    [x] [Huckster] Write in: Show enough to get interest and trade some, but don't show all and trade with patience
    [x] [Mendicant] Send for the Galugr tribe and settle them within the lands of the Nine Nations
    [x] [Mendicant] Send for the Galugr tribe and settle them within the lands of the Nine Nations
    [x] [Huckster] Write in: Show enough to get interest and trade some, but don't show all and trade with patience
    [X] [Mendicant] Turn down the deal
    [X] [Cacophony] BungieONI
    [X] [Cacophony] Kiba
    [X] [Cacophony] Demonic Spoon
 
Greetings Great Undying One, may the sun shine upon your brow and your people prosper to give you tribute. You may call me the Oni and I would call myself friend to the voice you know as Sheep and Sheep would in turn call me their friend. You may find us two voices agreeing on some things, for we share somewhat similar perspectives.

Telling you forthrightly I do not have interest at this time in telling you of techniques or devices or the nature of materials and all those things the others in the Astute Cacophony might call technology. Instead I am drawn to open an extended dialogue with you so that we may speak of society and war and the problems you bring before the Locus of the Cacophony.

To that end on the matter of the eunuch I think he is a rather curious being of pride. Without his pride in service, his certainty that he is doing good in his service, he would be meek. This pride, I think, is what he truly has to teach to anyone. Why I think so, is because while you may with effort teach anyone who is not an idiot the ways of numbers and writing and the tallying of tablet-rulers, like you have pointed out bold people as you know them have little desire to do that and only that. And their families even less at times. And so over time there would be problems and discord.

But if that boldness becomes pride in service under you in the specific form taught by the eunuch then there is much less of that. They are content in their fulfilled pride.

Be wary though of many servants trained in this fashion because their pride will curdle over many generations and there will be subtle infighting of words and poison amongst them as their pride drives them to the idea they have that there is a power that comes from being close to you.

I would suggest that you should let him teach the youth who is 'born-to-rule'. You are not taking from the nine tribes nor are you giving them strange servants and so there will be no discord among them on this. If there is to be discord it will be limited only to the walls of your great home and a tiny handful of mortals.

And eventually the eunuch will die as mortals do, and only his apprentice will remain. And that apprentice will take a student or students, on your whim, and then they may and so on. And so slowly you may alter what they teach to be more pleasing to you as you do with the songs already amongst the greater people.

[X] [Factotum] Allow the eunuch to teach the teach the 'born-to-rule' youth, singer or no

On the matter of the lesser giant wise one, I agree with you on what may have happened had he come initially with those words. Perhaps use and prosperity could be found in having them. Now the Sleomjash are accepted as always having been part of the Nine Ways Pact, and they are in truth becoming such. There is a kind of strength to be found in this multitude of unique tribes, again notable in the Sleomjash learning horsecare before the others and being well suited to it and so on. You can find as many examples as you care to.

Perhaps the strength of these lesser giants could be taken in and added. But I would expect much turmoil of some kind, and that lessons during the taking in of the Sleomjaah will be made use of. More turmoil than the Sleomjash, because they are different in obvious forms. A weakness of mortal humans of all kinds. If you so wished I could speak on this a little, though not much? Anyway in my expectation I think they would be looked down on by the Nine for a long, long time.

I do not think kindly of oath breakers either so if it must be taken I would prefer the oath be held to and I have taken a liking to your people's thoughts on honor. Honor is worth and having no honor is to be worthless. Guiding them from a great distance will assure that this looking down on happens, for where will you get the seeds but from the Nine? Discord lies that way I think, but discord whose scope I have less of a grasp on. That is obviously worse, so I say take them in.

But I also desire to listen as well. Would you please kindly share all that you know of the Galgur? We, and especially I, am not familair with giants beyond those of our own stories.

[X] [Mendicant] Send for the Galugr tribe and settle them within the lands of the Nine Nations

And for the traveller? I do not like him at all, I would kill him if I was in your seat. It may bring down wrath from some unknown things as all such actions may but what care we for the wrath of distant gods.

[X] [Huckster] Take it all, deal with objections as they occur

And now for my final topic, that of society.

I would rightly say that the Nine Nations are a healthy and flourishing society. One human may cooperate with their neighbor or with their neighbor's neighbor or with a person from another tribe in the Nine Ways Pact. There are some who may individually be untrustworthy, but that is the way of humans and it has been since before your parents birthed you and theirs before them and theirs before them all the way to the First of the First People. The metaphorical bones, the muscle, the skin of your people's society is strong. Because of that cooperation.

At the root of that cooperation is I think, a very simple example or metaphor. A man or a woman or a child can sit next to another man or a woman or a child beside a fire and they can share food without fear of poison or trickery or greed. They can sleep besides each other without fear of their throats being slit. They can rise in the morning and go out to do battle against shared enemies, sure that the person besides them will fight their enemies with them.

But take two men who do not trust each other. They will not share food together, they will not believe they are getting their proper share unless shown and even then doubt persists. They will fear knives in the night come to take their lives and will not sleep near the other. They will not fight besides each other, because their enemies are not the same. In fact they will likely fight each other as enemies. Thus with no trust, you have none of this. With no trust you have no cooperation. With no cooperation you have no society between humans. No society of any kind.

Because that is the link between all societies. From Nine Nations, to the Forest People, to the Fisher People, to the Galgur and all lesser giants. Wherever two or more humans and all those gifted twice by Leopard dwell and trust there is a society of some form.

Obviously though they all have unique Ways of living. That is the thing which differentiates them like features of the face, body and clothing differentiate people in the same tribe.

This is worthwhile to you because when that trust breaks down widely and consistently the society is dead. Even if it may lumber forward through time like an injured beast for a while, it is dead and will dissolve and rot if that breach is not corrected. I think it worthwhile to consider how you sit in the pattern of trust that ties your people together.

If you foster oath keeping, one of your people's ways of maintaining trust, and encourage trust to be worthwhile I think you will find your society becomes stronger. And will solve more disputes save the worst which need your wisdom on their own in ways pleasing to you.

Furthermore who among your people's chiefs and elders would you say know this truth about trust? And amongst those how many do you think could clearly speak on the subject? Those are good leaders in my view.

On the topic of war, warriors are a part of their greater society. But on the field of battle the society that sits in the forefront of their minds is a simple one. "I trust the men fighting with me to kill the enemy". Break that trust and you kill the army like other societies.

There are methods to do so. Fire is one, for no man can block fire and all fear it on some level. Cast fire amongst enemy warriors and their trust will weaken or break. When one faces armies that walk in tight ranks this can be supremely effective. A man squeezed in ranks with other men finds it difficult to suddenly leap out of the way without causing chaos, and so makes for an easy target.

I would speak more of this later, my speech grows overlong and I await keenly your reply.

[X] [Cacophony] BungieONI
Adhoc vote count started by BungieONI on Mar 30, 2019 at 6:59 PM, finished with 43 posts and 12 votes.

  • [X] [Factotum] Write in: Use him as your first table-ruler and select people who love numbers and are suitable for service as lesser table-rulers, but no cutting off their balls is needed, as not all customs of cities are wise, some details are idiotic. Also, there is no reason why women couldn't be table-rulers, as no cutting off balls is truly needed, and minds of women are not worse than these of men.
    [X] [Huckster] Tour for spells, gold for goods, anything held for anything wanted, really.
    [X] [Mendicant] Call for tribute of lesser giant bond slaves, grain, and all manner of beasts; teach agriculture and pastoralism to the lesser giants for as long as their bonds last, send them back to their tribe with the seeds and small herds; guide from a great distance
    [X] [Cacophony] liberty90
    [X] Cacophony CraftingDragon
    [X] [Factotum] Select some few of those who the eunuch claims are meant to serve, mark them, and have the eunuch teach them to live in that way
    [X] [Factotum] Select some few of those who the eunuch claims are meant to serve, and have the eunuch teach them what he knows.
    [X] [Factotum] Whatever, just don't cut off anybody's balls.
    [X] [Factotum] Allow the eunuch to teach the teach the 'born-to-rule' youth, singer or no
    [X] [Huckster] Take it all, deal with objections as they occur
    [X] [Huckster] Host as huge a celebration as possible, try to arrange for the seduction of every person on the pack train, bring these strangers into the people
    [x] [Huckster] Write in: Show enough to get interest and trade some, but don't show all and trade with patience
    [x] [Mendicant] Send for the Galugr tribe and settle them within the lands of the Nine Nations
    [x] [Mendicant] Send for the Galugr tribe and settle them within the lands of the Nine Nations
    [x] [Huckster] Write in: Show enough to get interest and trade some, but don't show all and trade with patience
    [X] [Mendicant] Turn down the deal
    [X] [Cacophony] Demonic Spoon
    [X] [Cacophony] Kiba
    [X] [Cacophony] BungieONI
 
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Hello Undying One you may call me UMP.

I don't have much to say but can you please tell me what you know of magic?

[X] [Cacophony] BungieONI
Adhoc vote count started by BungieONI on Mar 30, 2019 at 10:04 PM, finished with 45 posts and 14 votes.

  • [X] [Factotum] Write in: Use him as your first table-ruler and select people who love numbers and are suitable for service as lesser table-rulers, but no cutting off their balls is needed, as not all customs of cities are wise, some details are idiotic. Also, there is no reason why women couldn't be table-rulers, as no cutting off balls is truly needed, and minds of women are not worse than these of men.
    [X] [Huckster] Tour for spells, gold for goods, anything held for anything wanted, really.
    [X] [Mendicant] Call for tribute of lesser giant bond slaves, grain, and all manner of beasts; teach agriculture and pastoralism to the lesser giants for as long as their bonds last, send them back to their tribe with the seeds and small herds; guide from a great distance
    [x] [Mendicant] Send for the Galugr tribe and settle them within the lands of the Nine Nations
    [X] [Cacophony] liberty90
    [X] [Factotum] Select some few of those who the eunuch claims are meant to serve, mark them, and have the eunuch teach them to live in that way
    [X] [Cacophony] BungieONI
    [X] Cacophony CraftingDragon
    [X] [Huckster] Take it all, deal with objections as they occur
    [X] [Huckster] Host as huge a celebration as possible, try to arrange for the seduction of every person on the pack train, bring these strangers into the people
    [X] [Cacophony] Kiba
    [X] [Factotum] Select some few of those who the eunuch claims are meant to serve, and have the eunuch teach them what he knows.
    [X] [Factotum] Whatever, just don't cut off anybody's balls.
    [X] [Factotum] Allow the eunuch to teach the teach the 'born-to-rule' youth, singer or no
    [x] [Huckster] Write in: Show enough to get interest and trade some, but don't show all and trade with patience
    [X] [Mendicant] Turn down the deal
    [X] [Cacophony] Demonic Spoon
 
[X] [Cacophony] liberty90

[X] [Factotum] Write in: Use him as your first table-ruler and select people who love numbers and are suitable for service as lesser table-rulers, but no cutting off their balls is needed, as not all customs of cities are wise, some details are idiotic. Also, there is no reason why women couldn't be table-rulers, as no cutting off balls is truly needed, and minds of women are not worse than these of men.

[X] [Huckster] Tour for spells, gold for goods, anything held for anything wanted, really.

[X] [Mendicant] Call for tribute of lesser giant bond slaves, grain, and all manner of beasts; teach agriculture and pastoralism to the lesser giants for as long as their bonds last, send them back to their tribe with the seeds and small herds; guide from a great distance.
 
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