I never intentionally write grim dark stuff even when the source material has elements of it.. I'm a glass half full kinda guy. But I will say that for all the tragedy that may befall us: in our past life, we saved the world. You can save the world too. I've actually got an idea for all the arcs to have a "happy ending"

And that includes dealing with madera and zetsu

Just don't expect it to come without sacrifice or without suffering.
 
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Just don't expect it to come without sacrifice or without suffering.

Literally every single shounen ever made. Also true for the experience of Shounen viewers.

"All that filler, so much suffering! Finally a happy ending is in sight!" *1 year later* "So much sacrifice! All that time wasted for a kid named after a bolt!" *1 orochimaru scene later* "Happy ending!"
 
[X]The Fights: You see the hand to hand combat Aka is doing… so much of what she does seems impossible to you, yet it all seems possible now. (Taijutsu: Krav Maga is set to Mastery)
 
[X]The friends: Aka's memories included the ones of her friends… Deeply treasured ones. (??? Not All Those Who Die Are Gone Forever)
 
[X]The friends: Aka's memories included the ones of her friends… Deeply treasured ones. (??? Not All Those Who Die Are Gone Forever)
 
The vehicle one is only good for sea and air transportation since a high level ninja should be able to run as fast if not faster (especially since they don't need roads to travel).

Sea and air transportation shouldn't be underestimated (air especially - Deidara got quite a bit of mileage out of a giant vulture, and most planes fly higher and faster than that) and even land transportation could be invaluable for, say, speeding up the travel time and security of a civilian caravan.

That said, the votes have already stacked up quite a bit, and I can definitely see the need to maximize out mental stability given what bloodline we have. Ideally we'll be able to pull a Persona with our Shadow, but even if that's not possible improving our relationship can only help as long as we don't give up what we really care about.

[X]The friends: Aka's memories included the ones of her friends… Deeply treasured ones. (??? Not All Those Who Die Are Gone Forever)
 
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[X]The friends: Aka's memories included the ones of her friends… Deeply treasured ones. (??? Not All Those Who Die Are Gone Forever)
 
[X]The Fights: You see the hand to hand combat Aka is doing… so much of what she does seems impossible to you, yet it all seems possible now. (Taijutsu: Krav Maga is set to Mastery)
 
Yeah? :eyebrow: We both watched the bridge episode, right?

It's been a while since I experienced canon first-hand, so my memory is a bit rusty, but I'm pretty sure a large majority of the civilian casualties there were inflicted by mercenaries and other thugs. That army of Gato's was an army, they knowingly (if not necessarily willingly) went into an occupation where the whole point is to kill people and try not to get killed yourself. Zabuza killed people but I'm pretty sure it was mostly people who were standing between him and the foreman guy (aka his mission objective), and anyone else he killed was killed mainly to intimidate the other civilians into quitting work. He was a mercenary himself, after all, being too rabid is a good way to never get any more contracts ever again.

Not caring about civilians is a good way to damage your empathy, and while the village's military policies may or may not be modern enough to include measures to prevent that in its soldiers, our past life served in a military that did. More practically, it's a good way to bleed money - ninjas go on a lot of missions that involve civilians in one way or another, and have some sort of ties to the civilian government of the nation. Officially, in the canon time period, the hidden villages are more or less the nations' official militaries and are beholden to the nations' governments in about the same ways. Obviously that's not entirely the case even in canon, and we're in an earlier rougher time period, but the civilians are still ultimately the hand that feeds us.
 
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Sea and air transportation shouldn't be underestimated, and even land transportation could be invaluable for, say, speeding up the travel time and security of a civilian caravan.

I wasn't underestimating those -- they will be very useful to have eventually, but we aren't good enough to take full advantage of them yet. Once we're like chunin level in the relevant skills it becomes much more useful for us, but not amazing right now.

Civilians? OH! You mean Cannon Fodder! I was a bit confused by this weird term for the fodder...

Remember the cancer that is escort missions? We're gonna have to take at least a few of those.

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@Magoose are you going to account for the Sannin supposedly graduating at age 6? Also for the seated Kage to take a genin team, since that would definitely have serious political ramifications. The Naruto timeline is a total mess until you get to the end of Third War, so I can totally understand messing with the canon numbers.
 
@Magoose are you going to account for the Sannin supposedly graduating at age 6?
As much as I want to remain true to the one year wonders known as the sannin, our presence has already fucked with that entire process.

And I will say this: Ain't nobody gonna be graduating early with The current jounin commander running the show.
Also for the seated Kage to take a genin team, since that would definitely have serious political ramifications. The Naruto timeline is a total mess until you get to the end of Third War, so I can totally understand messing with the canon numbers
I am messing with the numbers so I can tell a better story. If that makes you mad I cannot help you.
 
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As much as I want to remain true to the one year wonders known as the sannin, our presence has already fucked with that entire process.

And I will say this: Ain't nobody gonna be graduating early with The current jounin commander running the show.

I am messing with the numbers so I can tell a better story. If that makes you mad I cannot help you.

Totally understandable. As long as the timeline makes sense now, I'm more than fine with the numbers getting fucked with. Although I would like to ask when would you project the Second and Third Wars to start assuming we somehow did the impossible and caused nothing important to change? I've seen the Second War in three distinct spots in the timeline: only a few years after the First, a few years before the Third (that one seemed unlikely), and separated from both by a generation or so.

Also, how violent and long do you personally think the Wars were? I've seen them depicted as only ending because the villages are all nearly destroyed from the effort, to a series of border disputes and battles all around that get lumped together and called a war. I tend to see them depicted as long affairs, but I think I have seen at least one where it was just a relatively short couple of years long conflict.

Also, who is the current jounin commander that we somehow caused a change in? Our mom? Or was there a series of dice rolls that messed with things?



...A bit sorry for all the questions -- sorting out timelines is something I enjoy (or at least feel compelled to do)
 
As much as I want to remain true to the one year wonders known as the sannin, our presence has already fucked with that entire process.

And I will say this: Ain't nobody gonna be graduating early with The current jounin commander running the show.

I am messing with the numbers so I can tell a better story. If that makes you mad I cannot help you.
So we have the same train stations but time of arrival is different? As long as story is interesting it's ok with me.;)
I've seen the Second War in three distinct spots in the timeline: only a few years after the First, a few years before the Third (that one seemed unlikely), and separated from both by a generation or so.
I think one in generation variant make the most sense in our timeline.
 
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[X]The friends: Aka's memories included the ones of her friends… Deeply treasured ones. (??? Not All Those Who Die Are Gone Forever)
 
[X]The friends: Aka's memories included the ones of her friends… Deeply treasured ones. (??? Not All Those Who Die Are Gone Forever)
Adhoc vote count started by Orion Ultor on Dec 30, 2018 at 8:51 AM, finished with 62 posts and 42 votes.
 
[X]The Fights: You see the hand to hand combat Aka is doing… so much of what she does seems impossible to you, yet it all seems possible now. (Taijutsu: Krav Maga is set to Mastery)
 
Although I would like to ask when would you project the Second and Third Wars to start assuming we somehow did the impossible and caused nothing important to change?
Second war in about 15-20 years if Madara and Zetsu don't interfere, third in about 30.
Also, how violent and long do you personally think the Wars were?
For the Smaller villages, an existential struggle to stay alive. For the major villages, it is... shall we say, bloody. And they only lasted two years (Save for the third war which lasts around 1 because of Kanabi Bridge and minato being a god damn one man army) because either all the strongest ninja were killed or morale plummets.

Seriously, they can go on for years if they did not care about morale and public opinion cause they have enough boodies to throw at the meatgrinder of battle.
Also, who is the current jounin commander that we somehow caused a change in? Our mom? Or was there a series of dice rolls that messed with things?
Mito Uzumaki, the former wife of the first hokage and current jinchuuriki of the Nine-Tails.

Edit: The Butterfly effect of our birth has been flapping for a little bit.
 
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[X]The Fights: You see the hand to hand combat Aka is doing… so much of what she does seems impossible to you, yet it all seems possible now. (Taijutsu: Krav Maga is set to Mastery)
 
[X]The friends: Aka's memories included the ones of her friends… Deeply treasured ones. (??? Not All Those Who Die Are Gone Forever)
 
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