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And a people oversmote is how you get Hero Units, God Killers and Olympic Civil Wars.

Run at us bitch, you've got more to lose.

I mean I imagine that DragonParadox and Azel might maybe eventually give us a thing? But I would not be surprised at all if they go "lol no thats not how this world works." Seriously base Greek Mythology is very clear that mortals are helpless in the face of Gods and there's at least one epic where Zeus states all the other gods combined wouldn't be able to make him budge if he so wished and no one debates this. There's other myths where Apollo rapes a young woman, she has to abandon her baby out of fear her dad will kill her, is wracked with guilt over it and in the end her "reward" is being reunited the hero she birthed and Athena coming down and saying "all's good now." No godly consequences to be found. Actual Greek Myth ain't God of War.

Even if we could get more mystic power, enough to challenge the gods? Thats absolutely fucking light years away at best.
 
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And a people oversmote is how you get Hero Units, God Killers and Olympic Civil Wars.

Run at us bitch, you've got more to lose.

Like A_Somebody said it wil be complicate. And in all case for the moment, we just trying to not star to death at the next winter before thinking to destroy the gods.
 
This talk of killing gods is fun, but we'll never even see Olympus - let alone invade it!
[adds nukes to the research pile]
 
I mean I imagine that DragonParadox and Azel might maybe eventually give us a thing? But I would not be surprised at all if they go "lol no thats not how this world works." Seriously base Greek Mythology is very clear that mortals are helpless in the face of Gods and there's at least one epic where Zeus states all the other gods combined wouldn't be able to make him budge if he so wished and no one debates this. There's other myths where Apollo rapes a young woman, she has to abandon her baby out of fear her dad will kill her, is wracked with guilt over it and in the end her "reward" is being reunited the hero she birthed and Athena coming down and saying "all's good now." No godly consequences to be found. Actual Greek Myth ain't God of War.

Even if we could get more mystic power, enough to challenge the gods? Thats absolutely fucking light years away at best.

Your problem is that you think it's Us vs The Gods when really it's Us vs God vs God vs Foreign God vs God vs God vs Conceptual bindings vs etc.

We can't win now, we don't have to, if our settlement starved not all would die, some gods would take pity, some would laugh, some would empower us, some would use us to settle grudges or expand their domain and influence.

When you're a pawn all you need do is ensure more than one party wants to play you.
 
"Zeus look the nuke"

-Ooooooooh. This is cute.

"Destroy th enuke with a thunder and use the radiation to the city. And curse the country to be sure that everybody remeber who is the boss."
Then the radiation mutates the survivors, driving them insane but also gifting them with superpowers. War is waged. The gods die. Insane super mutants rule the blasted wasteland that remains of Earth.

God of War: Fallout Edition, coming to stores in time for Christmas 2020.
 
Has anyone ever read the Book of Swords? Awesome series, really stupid Greek Gods. Utter Manchildren!
Oh wait, that's actual mythology?
I say that we get the Smith to craft some really cool swords. Then we kill the Gods with them!
 
Then the radiation mutates the survivors, driving them insane but also gifting them with superpowers. War is waged. The gods die. Insane super mutants rule the blasted wasteland that remains of Earth.

God of War: Fallout Edition, coming to stores in time for Christmas 2020.

Okay, I admit! You have a point ! :rofl:

Has anyone ever read the Book of Swords? Awesome series, really stupid Greek Gods. Utter Manchildren!
Oh wait, that's actual mythology?
I say that we get the Smith to craft some really cool swords. Then we kill the Gods with them!

You know that the gods have their own magic weampons. Some can enven send a mountain on you. I doubt that a mortal weapon can match the trident of Poseidon, the shield of Athena or the tunder of Zeus.
 
Okay, I admit! You have a point ! :rofl:



You know that the gods have their own magic weampons. Some can enven send a mountain on you. I doubt that a mortal weapon can match the trident of Poseidon, the shield of Athena or the tunder of Zeus.
Well that was why, in the very post you quoted, I advocated using the weapons of the gods against them.
Still utterly insane, but has a slightly better chance of success than the other plans here.
 
Okay, I admit! You have a point ! :rofl:



You know that the gods have their own magic weampons. Some can enven send a mountain on you. I doubt that a mortal weapon can match the trident of Poseidon, the shield of Athena or the tunder of Zeus.

Bears outweigh Badgers and Wolverines 1000:1, they have teeth and claws over half the length of their "opposition's" body and the bite strength to in-half them near instantly, but it's just not worth it to fight the crazy bastards, not worth injuring a jaw or paw that would cause you to be less successful in hunting, impressing a mate or challenging a rival. Hence bears abandon kills to badgers and wolverines.

Like the nobility they are modelled off of there is a dynamic web of relationships Gods must consider at all times or else suffer the consequences, we don't need to beat them at their own game, we just need to make them lose it.
 
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I will STRONGLY suggest bribing our way back into Demeter's favor. Demeter is constitutionally not very good at holding a grudge, the Earthmother will forgive eventually if you meet her halfway and you absolutely cannot afford to piss off the goddess of agriculture.

As in, you'd literally be better off flipping off Zeus/Jupiter, he'd just kill the leaders of the offender with a storm, probably rape their prettier daughters and count it settled.
Demeter is tenacious and she has a very good memory.

We want to raise a proper temple to her as soon as we have the quarries set up. We don't need to love her, we need her neutral.
 
Say does anybody know what happened to the Goats we had brought?


I mean that the Semni interrupt happened, but shouldn't we still have gotten them ?

[] As many as they will sell (Cost 4 wealth. The flocks will begin producing in the fall)

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The potters had been content enough to be given an assurance of royal attention in the fall

The goats are just about to start producing next turn.
 
Has anyone ever read the Book of Swords? Awesome series, really stupid Greek Gods. Utter Manchildren!
Oh wait, that's actual mythology?
I say that we get the Smith to craft some really cool swords. Then we kill the Gods with them!

??? Was this from an actual epic or poem??? All I'm finding is a modern published book. I mean yeah trying to see what's "Canon" in mythology is kinda futile* but I don't think we should be citing Percy Jackson and look for camp of demigods.

*Like I'm pretty sure most of the surviving Greek Myths we have today are from Athens specifically which is why Ares is the Worst and Athena is Zeus' amazing bestest kid while Hera, goddess of the sanctity of Marrige, is a huge bitch.

People being like "oh we can just steal from the gods!" Like exhibit A Prometheus. Also why the fuck would a mortal be able to weild a godly weapon. Simply looking at part of a God's true countenance kills you. There is a very clear divide between mortals and Gods of any stripe in Greek Myth, it's a supremely nihilistic mythos. Like Norse myth has their God's getting punked on, China has Sun Wukong who's like the platonic ideal of dunking on Gods. I can't really think of anything like that in Greek Myth, and lots of counterexamples. There's a reason why "hubris" (imagining you could be an equal of the Gods is the peak of this) is one the key essential elements of any Greek tragedy, heck even some of the non tragedies.

To use DnD as an extreme metaphor I'd say a level 1 commoner has more of a chance of surviving literally pissing on an Archduke of Hells Cornflakes than a Greek Myth mortal has of surviving any slightly negative encounter with a God. Like in DnD there's a few CG or even CN dieties who find the cornflake pisser to be hilarious and might be willing to spend some of their divine power saving them.

Again I imagine there might be a chance the DMs are willing to give us options in the faaaarrrrr faaaaaaaaaarrrrrrr future, but don't count on it. After all, DP created this to get a break from DnD.
 
??? Was this from an actual epic or poem??? All I'm finding is a modern published book. I mean yeah trying to see what's "Canon" in mythology is kinda futile* but I don't think we should be citing Percy Jackson and look for camp of demigods.

*Like I'm pretty sure most of the surviving Greek Myths we have today are from Athens specifically which is why Ares is the Worst and Athena is Zeus' amazing bestest kid while Hera, goddess of the sanctity of Marrige, is a huge bitch.

People being like "oh we can just steal from the gods!" Like exhibit A Prometheus. Also why the fuck would a mortal be able to weild a godly weapon. Simply looking at part of a God's true countenance kills you. There is a very clear divide between mortals and Gods of any stripe in Greek Myth, it's a supremely nihilistic mythos. Like Norse myth has their God's getting punked on, China has Sun Wukong who's like the platonic ideal of dunking on Gods. I can't really think of anything like that in Greek Myth, and lots of counterexamples. There's a reason why "hubris" (imagining you could be an equal of the Gods is the peak of this) is one the key essential elements of any Greek tragedy, heck even some of the non tragedies.

To use DnD as an extreme metaphor I'd say a level 1 commoner has more of a chance of surviving literally pissing on an Archduke of Hells Cornflakes than a Greek Myth mortal has of surviving any slightly negative encounter with a God. Like in DnD there's a few CG or even CN dieties who find the cornflake pisser to be hilarious and might be willing to spend some of their divine power saving them.

Again I imagine there might be a chance the DMs are willing to give us options in the faaaarrrrr faaaaaaaaaarrrrrrr future, but don't count on it. After all, DP created this to get a break from DnD.
Book of Swords is a published book series. It's pretty great. The Gods do dumb shit and eventually get killed by mortals armed with divine swords.
But my point was that the gods in the story are complete in-character with regard to their personalities in actual mythology.

Still, I don't actually think that we're ever going to kill gods. It's fun to joke about it, but we don't do it. And I'll oppose courses of action which make the Gods too angry with us.
Hell, in the Book of Swords the Gods outright give those weapons to mortals and the killing are pretty opportunistic, taking advantage of an existing divine squabble! Not any kind of real plan!
And that's what I predict for this quest, too. Reasonable planning, but crazy one-off votes from players used to playing high-level D&D where characters can afford a few mistakes and setbacks.
 
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@TalonofAnathrax oh cool, sorry but I was starting to get alarmed.

If it helps I was thinking of a King of Dragons playthrough where people were trying to think in more modern terms and it uh. Didn't really work.
 
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