You Are: A sector admiral of a strained imperium.

Asking for more shares up front isn't actually a terrible idea.

Although that might make us seem too greedy. Depends on what impression we want to give off.
It's basically impossible to seem too greedy. The bitch Jerk we are dealing with is incredibly greedy and opulent and she knows that we are superior to her in leadership. She can easily afford to get us 1/9 of her shares to get our obedience. She can always ask her family for replacements.

Maybe be like

[X]"Give me a share now and I will make it possible for you to take this planet. Give me 3 shares and I will actively help you and give guidance in the short term. If you want me to back your house and replace my allegiance to your Family, then quite honestly I require 10 shares and command over all fleets and forces relevant to what I need to win. I want to have every single one of my officers and manpower coming with me, for they are highly trained and absolutely loyal to me. Obviously you would lose rank if you gave 10 immediately, so 5 would be perfectly fine to make sure I am secure in this alliance. The other 5 shares can be granted to me once you have access to more of your family wealth, and by that time I will have proven myself once more anyway and so it will be easy for you to convince your parents to give me more shares.

Yes, this is a steep price Viscount. However I AM the BEST in the entire empire. I have incredible successes. I literally stopped the Empire from being crippled last war. I need to have ten shares to accomplish all I want, and all YOU want and need me to do and be. I aim for nothing less than Grand Admiral before I get close to retirement. I am proud. I am arrogant. I am greedy.

However, I AM!"
 
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A quick note regarding shares, if she was to give more than six then she would stop being a Viscountess, so do pitch demands accordingly.

Sleep here for me now though.
 
Hey folks, after doing a bit of musing, I have come to feel that the vice-countess' position is not as stable as we may think or she implies.

Facts:
1) She has burned a lot of influence and wealth to acquire her little flotilla of cutting edge Heavy Cruisers
2) Those ships have taken damage and used significant amounts of munitions in this battle. Enough to likely necessitate some dock time to refill her magazines
3) She does not have enough firepower to accomplish her goal by herself.
4) NASP fleet elements are on the move and will secure the sector within the next month or two, if not sooner.
5) She has spat in the face of tradition by refusing the surrender of an honorable enemy
6) Her family looks poorly on (read assassinates) heirs who shame their family name publicly and fail to meet expectations.

Take all of that together and what do you get?

Someone who has shot their bolt at the wrong moment and is now trying very hard to bribe a superior officer to help her finish her mission.

Bribing Reinhard was not plan A for her. Note how she ignored our orders at the start of the battle and then later ignored our hails until we physically interposed ourselves between her and her target.

She never intended to actually deal with Reinhard as an equal or even minor partner at any point until after she accomplished her little deed.

Now she is trying to rapidly fast talk us and not give us time to think so she can hurry up and get a move on before someone (like the Chang Ma home fleet) can return and fully stop her.

Cause guess what?


She doesn't have the time or munitions to go to another planet, defeat its defense fleet and reduce its planetary defenses enough to kill the population. And none of those planets will have the impact that CHang Ma would have.

So if she goes home now empty-handed (she won't even get the Monitor since we will accept its surrender, not her) and with her name tarred by spitting on tradition, do you think she will be met warmly and with understanding?

Especially after spending wealth and influence like water to setup this series of events and postings for this scenario, do you think her family will welcome her back with open arms?

No, I do believe we may catch rumor of her murder, death via duel or disappearance soon after.

Arslan has other heirs. One of them is commanding the Attack Skiff she bought and is sitting in this system watching everything right now.

Basically we are the ones who are in control here, she does not have control of the situation and made a poor decision in trying to force us into a corner.

So we can use that to either pull concessions from her, or to blackmail her into doing our biding. Either way, we name the terms.
 
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Yeah, which is why my plan of forcing her to either give us 500 wealth today and 500 more wealth later and a lot more power will be best.
She either gives us what we want, or we fuck her up.

I wonder what she will choose?
 
Hey folks, after doing a bit of musing, I have come to feel that the vice-countess' position is not as stable as we may think or she implies.

Facts:
1) She has burned a lot of influence and wealth to acquire her little flotilla of cutting edge Heavy Cruisers
2) Those ships have taken damage and used significant amounts of munitions in this battle. Enough to likely necessitate some dock time to refill her magazines
3) She does not have enough firepower to accomplish her goal by herself.
4) NASP fleet elements are on the move and will secure the sector within the next month or two, if not sooner.
5) She has spat in the face of tradition by refusing the surrender of an honorable enemy
6) Her family looks poorly on (read assassinates) heirs who shame their family name publicly and fail to meet expectations.

Take all of that together and what do you get?

Someone who has shot their bolt at the wrong moment and is now trying very hard to bribe a superior officer to help her finish her mission.

Bribing Reinhard was not plan A for her. Note how she ignored our orders at the start of the battle and then later ignored our hails until we physically interposed ourselves between her and her target.

She never intended to actually deal with Reinhard as an equal or even minor partner at any point until after she accomplished her little deed.

Now she is trying to rapidly fast talk us and not give us time to think so she can hurry up and get a move on before someone (like the Chang Ma home fleet) can return and fully stop her.

Cause guess what?


She doesn't have the time or munitions to go to another planet, defeat its defense fleet and reduce its planetary defenses enough to kill the population. And none of those planets will have the impact that CHang Ma would have.

So if she goes home now empty-handed (she won't even get the Monitor since we will accept its surrender, not her) and with her name tarred by spitting on tradition, do you think she will be met warmly and with understanding?

Especially after spending wealth and influence like water to setup this series of events and postings for this scenario, do you think her family will welcome her back with open arms?

No, I do believe we may catch rumor of her murder, death via duel or disappearance soon after.

Arslan has other heirs. One of them is commanding the Attack Skiff she bought and is sitting in this system watching everything right now.

Basically we are the ones who are in control here, she does not have control of the situation and made a poor decision in trying to force us into a corner.

So we can use that to either pull concessions from her, or to blackmail her into doing our biding. Either way, we name the terms.
Yeah, which is why my plan of forcing her to either give us 500 wealth today and 500 more wealth later and a lot more power will be best.
She either gives us what we want, or we fuck her up.

I wonder what she will choose?
I don't think your plan would work. I also believe it would be best to just refuse her and tell her to get fkd. Then we go and deal with the enemy fleet ourselves after we prevent her from attacking the enemy ship and maybe disable her own ships too.
 
Fair enough, I would be fine with telling her to fuck herself too, just thought doing so by having huge demands would avoid her being as mad / respects us a bit more before we destroy her if she did attack us.
 
I....just had a thought....

This quote sprang to mind while I was considering the role of the Earth Sphere in this quest:

"It is pleasant, when the sea is high and the winds are dashing the waves about, to watch from the shores the struggles of another." -Livy

What if all of this is a game to them? A high-stakes drama like Game of Thrones, except its live.

Recall that the Earth Sphere is behind the formation of the NASP. They provided the prodding and tech to turn an outright loss into a costly stalemate.

We are told that it was a small portion of the gestalt that was behind it, but what if that was only a partial truth?

Indeed, the producers of an acclaimed television show only make up a small portion of the population of a city, but they are influential beyond their size.

And this last update we were told that now a portion of the Gestalt encourages House Arslan in their ambitions to trigger a war because:
Portions of their gestalt wish for fewer, larger human polities instead of a scattering of squabbling individual systems

And this at a time where the two powers are precariously balanced in power. The Imperium fracturing and desperately rebuilding. The NASP divided, but beginning to harness their strength and grow in unity.

What better time for them to clash than now, when the result is still uncertain?

Indeed, tv shows like having a tighter cast and fewer factions to help keep viewers engaged.

Now consider that the Sphere is way, waaaay beyond the tech capability of any other human polity, yet they still trade trinkets with these polities. Things like jewelry, carvings and paintings.

Things that inevitably find their way into the homes and palaces of the rich and powerful.

Things very easily bugged.

As far as we know, no one has access to FTL communications.....but there exists a polity that may have them and just hides it.

So consider then that the Earth Sphere actually does not favor one side or another. They just want a good war story. One filled with intrigue, betrayal, atrocity, dark knavery and stunning heroics.

I'm probably wrong, likely very much so.

But the thought nags at me....
 
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[X]"Give me a share now and I will make it possible for you to take this planet. Give me 3 shares and I will actively help you and give guidance in the short term. If you want me to back your house and replace my allegiance to your Family, then quite honestly I require 10 shares and command over all fleets and forces relevant to what I need to win. I want to have every single one of my officers and manpower coming with me, for they are highly trained and absolutely loyal to me. Obviously you would lose rank if you gave 10 immediately, so 5 would be perfectly fine to make sure I am secure in this alliance. The other 5 shares can be granted to me once you have access to more of your family wealth, and by that time I will have proven myself once more anyway and so it will be easy for you to convince your parents to give me more shares.

Yes, this is a steep price Viscount. However I AM the BEST in the entire empire. I have incredible successes. I literally stopped the Empire from being crippled last war. I need to have ten shares to accomplish all I want, and all YOU want and need me to do and be. I aim for nothing less than Grand Admiral before I get close to retirement. I am proud. I am arrogant. I am greedy.
A quick note regarding shares, if she was to give more than six then she would stop being a Viscountess, so do pitch demands accordingly.

Sleep here for me now though.

Then we get the rest of the Shares from the head of House Arslan.

1) She has burned a lot of influence and wealth to acquire her little flotilla of cutting edge Heavy Cruisers

Do we know that for a fact? She is the heir to House Arslan. She gets 10 PC per quarter for free and the rest of her family can act to help her if it is in the interest of their House.

4) NASP fleet elements are on the move and will secure the sector within the next month or two, if not sooner.

None of the reinforcements will be strike cruisers. We can still raid them faster than they can respond if we avoid drawn out sieges.

and fail to meet expectations.

This is an opportunity she has a chance of failing to take, not her being a constant embarrassment to her family.

Bribing Reinhard was not plan A for her. Note how she ignored our orders at the start of the battle and then later ignored our hails until we physically interposed ourselves between her and her target.

She never intended to actually deal with Reinhard as an equal or even minor partner at any point until after she accomplished her little deed.

Now she is trying to rapidly fast talk us and not give us time to think so she can hurry up and get a move on before someone (like the Chang Ma home fleet) can return and fully stop her.

Chuang Mu. I agree with this. She must have thought we wouldn't care about the monitor and were going to "surprise" us by nuking the planet after we destroyed the orbital defenses.

And this last update we were told that now a portion of the Gestalt encourages House Arslan in their ambitions to trigger a war because:

I don't see it this way. The Earth Sphere is an isolationist polity with a few interventionist factions and they aren't a hive mind.

But the thought nags at me....

It is so ridiculous it is possible.
 
-[X] "For three years I endured the peace, but that was in a different place to here and now. Since taking command of this sector I have prospered despite it, with the NASP showing little desire to hold to their side of the treaty. And now, well, their actions have given me back in a handful of months a force equal to the one that took every week of those three years to take. Oh, it will take time to sharpen them, but victory today will give me that." This is as close to a shot at her as we can take, an oblique reference to the time after the war where no one offered aid. Not her, not anyone. It's staking out a position, that we won't be led to market by the lure of jewels.
-[X] "The treaty will break eventually, I have little doubt of that. I have been doing all I can to prepare for that day, and successfully too. Too much blood has been spilled between the Imperium and these worlds that call themselves a union. But recall, Viscountess, that it was not the Imperium's lack of strength that brought the war to a close. It was foreign interference by the Earth Sphere, a power none of us can touch. Do you think their 'concerned citizens' will sit by and watch the toy they created for their amusement be torn apart? No. If war comes, it must be the NASP that incites it." The Earth Sphere's power is incalculable, this is a Known Truth (regardless of how utterly ridiculous a Dyson Sphere out to the orbit of Saturn is given current technological limitations). If we burn one of the NASP's worlds and goad them forward, there's always the threat of that NGO throwing a tantrum at us breaking their toy. This is openly disrespectful of the NASP and the Earth Sphere, but the simple truth is that there's certainly far more the Sphere can do to hammer the Imperium if we strike first.
-[X] "Or, the NASP can be forced to break. You must know how fragile their alliance is, this patchwork of dozens of different powers, forced together with the promise of safety and Earther meddling. This planet is a perfect example, their insane commitment to democracy at all levels behind an assault that could be used to justify their conquest. The NASP is strong when they are together, but as Chuang Mu itself has shown, weak when its parts are forced out of alignment. You would make them strong again." This is politics, pure and simple. The NASP is designed as a power that will get stronger in the face of full war. The central worlds would likely be able to bludgeon the signatories into working for them, and the result would be a peer power to the Imperium, fully formed, and with a minor technological advantage to counter the Imperial Navy's numbers (an advantage that is still only slim).
-[X] "To be clear, I have little fear of the NASP. Like any transitory power, they will break or fade as the Imperium endures through the strength of the traditions upon which it was founded." This is somewhat propaganda reel, but it's also another careful shot at her actions here. The Imperium's traditions cover everything from Noble privilege to the honour to treat those who wish to surrender with all dignity.
-[X] "I am not blind to reality, Viscountess. I know why the Imperial Navy has called its strength back to the core worlds. And I know, too, that I was sent here with the full expectation that I would fail. I have yet to do so, and that you are even here proves that. So now you come to me with an appeal, an offer, one that even a year ago I might have taken gladly. Now?" This is realpolitik, let's treat it as such. Setup for the next section.
-[X] "I have some inkling of what you might wish of me, but an alliance cannot be based on such transitory things. You know that my implants cannot record what you say here, and you have clearly studied my history enough to know that I am a man little taken by the games of court. You want me for my skill on the field of battle, a blind man could see that. But now an enemy that has fought well has offered their surrender and while the unwritten rules of war may seem quaint and hypocritical from certain perspectivesm adhering to them provides concrete long-term military advantage that I will not throw away. There are better ways to bring order to this anarchist rabble which promise us no less glory. You are welcome to join me on the Sword to discuss this further, once the battle is done." This isn't being settled today. If she wants us, she needs to be up front about what she's offering and what she wants in return. We're not making an uninformed decision on a matter this vast on what's little more than a whisper of a possibility. She puts her cards on the table now, or we talk about this later. This is, again, a minor shot at her. She sprung us on this, no doubt deliberately. We're not getting caught up by that ploy.

She has made a concrete offer. She is promising us
  • A Share
  • A meeting with the Empress.
  • A promotion by one or more ranks.
  • Upon war being declared immediately because of our actions, we will be transferred to a command that won't see us ravaged for being a tripwire force. What of our loyal crew and officers?
  • Political protection and the political favoritism of House Arslan to make us get promoted to a position that makes the best use of our talents during the war.
In exchange she wants to refuse the surrender of the ships, nuke Chuang Mu to provoke a war and have us become the naval commander who secures the throne for her father. @dragon isn't wrong that this is an excellent way to move through the ranks and possibly become Emperor. My pride makes me reluctant to bend the knee and I don't want to shut out other paths before we become aware of them. There is also the consideration of how this effects our relationship with Ranca. I'm willing to have Reinhard take some horrible actions if we can justify it as helping Reinhard. But it should not contradict our eventual goal of becoming the populist Emperor who liberates the serfs and commoners. That means we cannot kidnap NASP citizens and sell them into serfdom. Reinhard is still a person and should be capable of being selfless for his friends and family. As an officer he should also fulfill his obligation of seeing to the well being of his subordinates.

[X] Draft For Someone To Make A Better Plan
-[X] Point out why our plan is better. Wiping out the infrastructure of Chuang Mu will not lead to immediate war. But it will create rifts in NASP by turning it into an Imhotep that affects the entirety of NASP instead of one sector. It will prevent NASP from forming into a coherent interstellar polity and make them fracture. Chuang Mu ships will either take rogue actions that escalate the conflict, become pirates or guard their planet after seeing the protection their military alliance provides in practice. Member nations will be reluctant or hostile to the idea of funding the reconstruction of one of their most wealthy worlds while so many planets are underdeveloped backwaters. Some will want heads to roll for the first attack on Imhotep, others will double down and demand war be made. Explain the strategic benefits of accepting surrender in warfare if she does not understand. Reinhard has 22 Strategy he should be able to make a convincing argument.
-[X] Tell her of our intention to provoke NASP and Chuang Mu further by respecting the historical value of the Yuzhao and turning the monitor into a traveling museum ship. It will be dedicated to the impotence of NASP and the inferiority of their ideology.
-[X] Yes, the Imperium and House Arslan may have some support by a faction of the Earth Sphere. But if we commit an open atrocity it will sway support towards the pro-NASP faction and weaken the faction that would support us.
-[X] Outline a plan with our Strategy 22 on how we intend to weaken NASP and provoke them into declaring war on us so they cannot take the moral high ground.
-[X] Negotiate harder if she is still not convinced?
 
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Update 30 - Resolution
The Viscountess has put her offer on the table, she has sketched out in rather imperious terms her plan and what she wants from you. But why go with her initial offer and why let her dictate terms, especially when she has implied she needs your strategic mind over anything else.

"Imhotep is bleeding the sector, or was. If Chuang Mu is destroyed then it will serve as a rallying cry and flag that is conveniently dead. Instead? We stick to my original plan and break their infrastructure. We turn this key part of their economy into a bleeding wound that will require untold fortunes to staunch. How will their alliance hold as, rather than being pushed toward war, they are instead begged for aid, money, ships and treasure. That is much less palatable than a righteous war of vengeance."

She does not respond immediately, the Endeavour narrowly intercepts a flight of torpedoes erupting from the surface before they can impact the Perun's shields, a hammer of a railgun turret above you as the Sword of Democracies' dorsal main battery returns fire. You are aware a fraction of a second later that the PTS missile submarine responsible was not directly hit and might have survived, having crash dived immediately after firing.

"A sound strategy." She opens with that. "But will it provoke them into war before they are ready? What do you think, exactly, of facing a fleet of battleships with upgraded engines, as fast as a light cruiser? Operating under a single strategic command, screened by strike cruisers. That is what they are building toward. A few years and they will be scrapping Heritage Class battleships like those coming to reinforce the planet below as obsolete. At that point? The Empire might lose."

Whilst you do not have access to the same kind of top level intelligence that she perhaps does, that does make a certain degree of sense, though she is perhaps exaggerating. If the core members of the NASP alliance immediately started on mass construction of new tech capital ships after the war then they would be starting to work up to combat effectiveness and present in ever increasing numbers, from starting about a year ago. It would be ruinously expensive though as demonstrated by the Imperial House' current straits.

You reply. "Yet your plan leaves me as a convenient potential scape goat, painted as responsible for the deaths of billions at worst, your attack dog at best."

[] Demand A Lot More. Agree to her proposal only if she will make you a baron immediately, with another five shares to follow and a guarantee that you will be given strategic command when you openly move to her families' side in the future. Given people will know where the shares come from, this is going to make it obvious that you are a client of House Arslan, but also a terrifyingly valued one. You would be asking for the value of a planet or nearly two squadrons of capital ships, enough to build up House Arslan's navy by at least a fifth and probably a quarter instead.
[] Demand More. Agree to her proposal in return for five shares, sufficient to make you a baron, along with assurance of strategic command when you openly move to the side of her family in future. This will make it obvious that you are a client of House Arslan, people take note of that level of share transfer. You would be asking for the value of a pair of battlecruisers with screening fast ships or a flotilla of light cruisers, a significant investment even for a rich ducal house.
[] Accept Her Proposal. Agree with her proposal, you are being healthily bribed and a single share from somebody as influential and rich as her could be construed as her being genuinely grateful for your assistance and skill in battle, a noble gesture from a mentee to a mentor and attempt to influence you rather than outright patronage from her house.
[] Refuse. You will have no part of what is, ultimately, treason and genocide.
[] Arrest Her. She is attempting conspiracy to treason, broadcast to all ships that she is a traitor then board the Fafnir and take her captive.

If you do accept her offer, for whatever level of bribery is involved, do you try to add conditions?

[] No. You let her go along with her original plan of genocide and refusing surrender to create an atrocity, be it her plan or her fathers.
[] Accept Surrender. You will take the monitor's surrender, the cadets aboard and their captain fought honourably and should be treated appropriately.
[] Infrastructure & Surrender. You will limit bombardment of Chuang Mu to infrastructure and take the monitor's surrender. You will seek to provoke the war another way.

So participation has definitely been limited by repeated write ins, I am breaking the choices down as per the above. The exact responses and wether or not your proposal will be accepted come down to Diplomacy rolls and also just how much she is willing to 'pay' for your allegiance.

Outright refusal will probably put you on a 'shit, he knows too much' list but taking this to the Governor General and going for outright Imperial patronage is certainly an option, especially given that his nephew is on your flagship.

Added: To put in some perspective numbers (You do not know the exact ones in character) House Arslan as a whole is thought to hold around six hundred shares, with the duke possessing at least two hundred. The gross total quarterly income of every member of the house is likely in the region of 1500-2000 Wealth (or 15-20 Shares) but that is split across numerous cousins, cadet houses, etc, not to mention considerable expenses.

Ten Shares is about what the duke could buy quarterly with his entire share dividend, assuming he spent it on nothing else.
 
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[X] Arrest Her. She is attempting conspiracy to treason, broadcast to all ships that she is a traitor then board the Fafnir and take her captive.

The way I see it, either we go for []Demand a lot more & Surrender & Infrastructure or we Arrest Her and basically opt for Imperial Patronage. Having an excuse to take the heiress to House Arslan hostage is probably going to be a bonanza for the Imperial House. My bottom line is I'm unwilling to be bought for anything other than what I see as our true price-- which is pretty damn high since we can basically single-handedly make her father the Emperor.
 
[X] Accept Her Proposal. Agree with her proposal, you are being healthily bribed and a single share from somebody as influential and rich as her could be construed as her being genuinely grateful for your assistance and skill in battle, a noble gesture from a mentee to a mentor and attempt to influence you rather than outright patronage from her house.
[X] Infrastructure & Surrender. You will limit bombardment of Chuang Mu to infrastructure and take the monitor's surrender. You will seek to provoke the war another way.

EDIT: Changing vote
 
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"A sound strategy." She opens with that. "But will it provoke them into war before they are ready? What do you think, exactly, of facing a fleet of battleships with upgraded engines, as fast as a light cruiser? Operating under a single strategic command, screened by strike cruisers. That is what they are building toward. A few years and they will be scrapping Heritage Class battleships like those coming to reinforce the planet below as obsolete. At that point? The Empire might lose."

Whilst you do not have access to the same kind of top level intelligence that she perhaps does, that does make a certain degree of sense, though she is perhaps exaggerating. If the core members of the NASP alliance immediately started on mass construction of new tech capital ships after the war then they would be starting to work up to combat effectiveness and present in ever increasing numbers, from starting about a year ago. It would be ruinously expensive though as demonstrated by the Imperial House' current straits.

This would be a sound concern if Chuang Mu won't be a financial black hole that reverses the path of NASP integration. It will be worse than the recession and PIIGS. They don't even have a shared sense of identity that Europeans weakly have. They're a bunch of disparate groups that united against a common threat.

@Packrat I love how difficult you make these votes.

will be accepted come down to Diplomacy rolls

Please tell me we keep our old Diplomacy. If it takes a turn for us to feel the diplomacy bonus of an increased lifestyle, why not let us keep the high Diplomacy for a turn that is about to end?
 
[X] Accept Her Proposal. Agree with her proposal, you are being healthily bribed and a single share from somebody as influential and rich as her could be construed as her being genuinely grateful for your assistance and skill in battle, a noble gesture from a mentee to a mentor and attempt to influence you rather than outright patronage from her house

[X] Accept Surrender. You will take the monitor's surrender, the cadets aboard and their captain fought honourably and should be treated appropriately

Let's not ask for more, accepting this offer keeps our options open in the future for other alliances, while accepting this surrender will let us keep our honour and have other people be more ready to surrender to us in the future

But this is settling for way less than we are worth. The only reason we're even negotiating is because the Ducal House knows we're a good strategist, they just have no fucking clue how amazeballs we can be. If they did, you bet they'd offer nothing less than the top option with all the bells and whistles because holy shit this guy can make them the Imperial House single-handedly.
 
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The way I see it, either we go for []Demand a lot more & Surrender & Infrastructure or we Arrest Her and basically opt for Imperial Patronage. Having an excuse to take the heiress to House Arslan hostage is probably going to be a bonanza for the Imperial House. My bottom line is I'm unwilling to be bought for anything other than what I see as our true price-- which is pretty damn high since we can basically single-handedly make her father the Emperor.

That is my thinking as well. There is no point to half ass it. We fully commit or fully reject her.

I'm confused. What plan even won here?

None. He used a combination of different posts to get the quest moving along.
 
But this is settling for way less than we are worth. The only reason we're even negotiating is because the Ducal House knows we're a good strategist, they just have no fucking clue how amazeballs we can be. If they did, you bet they'd offer nothing less than the top option will all the bells and whistles because holy shit this guy can make them the Imperial House single-handedly.

Can we though? I'll admit, we've done fantastic, but we should be careful to not openly associate ourselves with them because that closes more doors than it opens in my opinion.

Furthermore we're already being offered a lot, but if we're too greedy we're likely not going to be seen as someone they will deal with in the long run, plus being given a lot makes it harder for other parties to out bribe them.
 
[X] Refuse. You will have no part of what is, ultimately, treason and genocide.
[X] Infrastructure & Surrender. You will limit bombardment of Chuang Mu to infrastructure and take the monitor's surrender. You will seek to provoke the war another way.
Adhoc vote count started by Sixpack on Sep 11, 2018 at 3:31 PM, finished with 123 posts and 45 votes.

  • [X] Arrest Her. She is attempting conspiracy to treason, broadcast to all ships that she is a traitor then board the Fafnir and take her captive.
    [X] Infrastructure & Surrender. You will limit bombardment of Chuang Mu to infrastructure and take the monitor's surrender. You will seek to provoke the war another way.
    [X] Demand A Lot More. Agree to her proposal only if she will make you a baron immediately, with another five shares to follow and a guarantee that you will be given strategic command when you openly move to her families' side in the future. Given people will know where the shares come from, this is going to make it obvious that you are a client of House Arslan, but also a terrifyingly valued one. You would be asking for the value of a planet or nearly two squadrons of capital ships, enough to build up House Arslan's navy by at least a fifth and probably a quarter instead.
    [X] Demand More. Agree to her proposal in return for five shares, sufficient to make you a baron, along with assurance of strategic command when you openly move to the side of her family in future. This will make it obvious that you are a client of House Arslan, people take note of that level of share transfer. You would be asking for the value of a pair of battlecruisers with screening fast ships or a flotilla of light cruisers, a significant investment even for a rich ducal house.
    [X] Arrest
    [X] Refuse. You will have no part of what is, ultimately, treason and genocide.
    [X] No. You let her go along with her original plan of genocide and refusing surrender to create an atrocity, be it her plan or her fathers.
    [X] Demand More.
    [X] No.
    [X] Accept Surrender.
    [X] Accept Her Proposal. Agree with her proposal, you are being healthily bribed and a single share from somebody as influential and rich as her could be construed as her being genuinely grateful for your assistance and skill in battle, a noble gesture from a mentee to a mentor and attempt to influence you rather than outright patronage from her house.
    [X] Refuse
    [X] Infrastructure & Surrender. You will limit bombardment of Chuang Mu to infrastructure and take the monitor's surrender. You will seek to provoke the war another way.​
 
[X] Arrest Her. She is attempting conspiracy to treason, broadcast to all ships that she is a traitor then board the Fafnir and take her captive.

I don't like or trust her one bit we should sell her to the Governor General, after all her plan only works if we help and I want a competent boss or partner not someone wo puts all on "he will do as I say as he is just a commoner"
 
[X] Accept Her Proposal. Agree with her proposal, you are being healthily bribed and a single share from somebody as influential and rich as her could be construed as her being genuinely grateful for your assistance and skill in battle, a noble gesture from a mentee to a mentor and attempt to influence you rather than outright patronage from her house.

[X] Infrastructure & Surrender. You will limit bombardment of Chuang Mu to infrastructure and take the monitor's surrender. You will seek to provoke the war another way.
 
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