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The intent is to break their defences, eat their defence fleet, and then loot them for everything they have before we blow up their main shipyards (that are needed to build and maintain their battleships) and then bugger off, leaving their battleships without a functional support base and delivering a severe political chastisement to them having their main fleet component go aggressive on us instead of heading home like they should have done to make sure we couldn't do this again. Recall that Chuang Mu has a loot threshold in the multiple hundreds of Wealth. That's enough, if we invest it, to run a personal battlecruiser. It also has strategic concerns, because it leaves Chaung Mu screaming at the NASP for help after they incited us to come after them with a rogue action that could have sent the entire frontier into hot war. The NASP doesn't like us, but they're a federalist power with all the problems that go with that. Chuang Mu putting the Rana Salient at risk for nothing more than their bruised ego won't play well with NASP high command, and again, if we have the Governer make it clear to NASP factors that if they leave Chuang Mu to us, we'll accept their 'rogue action' story, then that could leave Chuang Mu in a wonderfully vulnerable place for a proper conquest a year or so down the line.

It might not go quite this well, probably won't, but the potential is there. And even if it doesn't work out, we can reduce a major economic and logistic strongpoint on the NASP side of the frontier. That matters.

The onty problem with this is that the battleships are a stronger force than us and if they were to arrive in Chuang Mu while we're there the only thing stopping them from destroying us would be us not destroying Chuang Mu. Not sure they would take kindly to us blackmailing them then blowing up their whole economy. Even if they have nowhere to repair - but they will still have NASP bases most likely - 3 battleships can still cause a lot of bad rep for us in terms of defeats.
 
The onty problem with this is that the battleships are a stronger force than us and if they were to arrive in Chuang Mu while we're there the only thing stopping them from destroying us would be us not destroying Chuang Mu. Not sure they would take kindly to us blackmailing them then blowing up their whole economy. Even if they have nowhere to repair - but they will still have NASP bases most likely - 3 battleships can still cause a lot of bad rep for us in terms of defeats.

They're citizens and soldiers of Chuang Mu first. They're going to have limited support from NASP because they're trying to pin them as rogues and Chuang Mu will see them as responsible if they call our bluff.
 
They're citizens and soldiers of Chuang Mu first. They're going to have limited support from NASP because they're trying to pin them as rogues and Chuang Mu will see them as responsible if they call our bluff.
It seems a risky choice that could go either way to me and i kinda want to read a scene about Reindhart absolutely destroying some battleships with a stolen NASP battlecruiser - the irony would be delicious
 
This point. We can threaten to kill a large number of them or more now that we have new heavy cruisers to support us.

You mean attack the moon we already reduced?

I was speaking of the main garden world of Chuang Mu. Note, we didn't get the option to attack the moon's population before we stripped the defences away.

It seems a risky choice that could go either way to me and i kinda want to read a scene about Reindhart absolutely destroying some battleships with a stolen NASP battlecruiser - the irony would be delicious

Very true. And it would make an awesome read...

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They're citizens and soldiers of Chuang Mu first. They're going to have limited support from NASP because they're trying to pin them as rogues and Chuang Mu will see them as responsible if they call our bluff.

This is what I'd like to emphasize. They will negotiate if we have fusion torpedos aimed at their home planet.
 
To clarify again, the NASP is an agreement between hundreds of independent systems and multi system polities to ally together and form a military bloc against aggression from any external foes (ie, the empire). The idea is that they each contribute the bulk of their military forces to a unified fleet and centrally coordinated action in order to avoid being overrun by the empire's organised military. This was, overall, a success during the recent war, they lost dozens of systems but perhaps fatally wounded the imperial navy in the process and forced them to sue for peace.

Chuang Mu is a rich, well developed system that contributes about two percent of the NASP alliance's military might and, after said peace treaty, found themselves a border world. They still opted to send the bulk of their navy to contribute to the main fleet. Perhaps as an example to others. Their real capital ships along with most of their cruisers were thus stationed at the Rana Salient.

Now though they have had most of their 'home guard' killed or captured and one of their outlaying settlements looted, from the looks of things their 'government' (they are a direct democracy) has then independently ordered their fleet to conduct retribution against the empire whilst ignoring any centralized NASP policy. Going from update 23, Captain Sones would estimate their 'detached strength' as four light cruisers and three battleships. Who are most likely acting on the orders of Chuang Mu not any central NASP policy.
 
[X] Harass. If you combine your ships with those of the newly arrived heavy cruiser squadron then you can try to pick apart the rogue fleet over Imhotep.
 
To clarify again, the NASP is an agreement between hundreds of independent systems and multi system polities to ally together and form a military bloc against aggression from any external foes (ie, the empire). The idea is that they each contribute the bulk of their military forces to a unified fleet and centrally coordinated action in order to avoid being overrun by the empire's organised military. This was, overall, a success during the recent war, they lost dozens of systems but perhaps fatally wounded the imperial navy in the process and forced them to sue for peace.

Chuang Mu is a rich, well developed system that contributes about two percent of the NASP alliance's military might and, after said peace treaty, found themselves a border world. They still opted to send the bulk of their navy to contribute to the main fleet. Perhaps as an example to others. Their real capital ships along with most of their cruisers were thus stationed at the Rana Salient.

Now though they have had most of their 'home guard' killed or captured and one of their outlaying settlements looted, from the looks of things their 'government' (they are a direct democracy) has then independently ordered their fleet to conduct retribution against the empire whilst ignoring any centralized NASP policy. Going from update 23, Captain Sones would estimate their 'detached strength' as four light cruisers and three battleships. Who are most likely acting on the orders of Chuang Mu not any central NASP policy.
in other words if we can push hard enough we may be able to break off 2 full percent of the entire NASP.....

GUYS this is a MASSIVE achievement if we pull it off! We have at least 1 more year to do this and if we do fleet command will HAVE to acknowledge our sheer ability, ESPECIALLY if we have a share by then.
 
To clarify again, the NASP is an agreement between hundreds of independent systems and multi system polities to ally together and form a military bloc against aggression from any external foes (ie, the empire). The idea is that they each contribute the bulk of their military forces to a unified fleet and centrally coordinated action in order to avoid being overrun by the empire's organised military. This was, overall, a success during the recent war, they lost dozens of systems but perhaps fatally wounded the imperial navy in the process and forced them to sue for peace.

Chuang Mu is a rich, well developed system that contributes about two percent of the NASP alliance's military might and, after said peace treaty, found themselves a border world. They still opted to send the bulk of their navy to contribute to the main fleet. Perhaps as an example to others. Their real capital ships along with most of their cruisers were thus stationed at the Rana Salient.

Now though they have had most of their 'home guard' killed or captured and one of their outlaying settlements looted, from the looks of things their 'government' (they are a direct democracy) has then independently ordered their fleet to conduct retribution against the empire whilst ignoring any centralized NASP policy. Going from update 23, Captain Sones would estimate their 'detached strength' as four light cruisers and three battleships. Who are most likely acting on the orders of Chuang Mu not any central NASP policy.
I get that. what i dont get is why we were never told of the 3 NASP battleships in the Rana Salient. why does Rana rate 3 capital ships when the entire border sector only got one battlecruiser?

I just dont understand what so ever how those BBs were not sent to respond to our raid against Chang Mu by NASP command, nor why you told us that the local NASP fleet was mostly destroyed when they have 3 battleships and probably most of the rest of a fleet two jumps from the sector capital we need to defend.

they have that much force on the border, but we dont have a single capital ship. how does that work?
 
@DarknessSmiles Because battleships are slow and they were also deliberately hiding them in the hope of jumping an attack on the salient and murdering it. When you hit Chang Mu? Chang Mu immediately sent one of their skiffs to scream for help and the detached squadron commander decided to exert pressure by attacking an Imperial world instead of hoping to arrive back 'home' in time to do anything.

Actually it was a random roll, if it had gone the other way you would have arrived back at Illam to find the battleships trying to work through the sector capital defenses. Not that they would have had too much luck there probably.

The reason you do not have any capital ships is because the Empire is terrified of losing a relatively small number of detached capital vessels then the ducal houses deciding they could take the throne. So they are keeping them all back from the lines as a fleet in being. That is also why the NASP central command do not, in fact, want an actions involving capital ships across the border, they do not want the empire deploying 140+ capital ships to fuck them up in a unified fleet.
 
[X] Raid Chuang Mu, Again. You can force these battleships off Imhotep if you threaten their home system in greater force.
 
[X] Harass. If you combine your ships with those of the newly arrived heavy cruiser squadron then you can try to pick apart the rogue fleet over Imhotep.
 
@DarknessSmiles Because battleships are slow and they were also deliberately hiding them in the hope of jumping an attack on the salient and murdering it. When you hit Chang Mu? Chang Mu immediately sent one of their skiffs to scream for help and the detached squadron commander decided to exert pressure by attacking an Imperial world instead of hoping to arrive back 'home' in time to do anything.

Actually it was a random roll, if it had gone the other way you would have arrived back at Illam to find the battleships trying to work through the sector capital defenses. Not that they would have had too much luck there probably.

The reason you do not have any capital ships is because the Empire is terrified of losing a relatively small number of detached capital vessels then the ducal houses deciding they could take the throne. So they are keeping them all back from the lines as a fleet in being. That is also why the NASP central command do not, in fact, want an actions involving capital ships across the border, they do not want the empire deploying 140+ capital ships to fuck them up in a unified fleet.
actually then packrat could we ask Our naval command to loan us the one battleship sword of democracy at no cost for 2 turns on the premise that we can take care of this entire problem if they do promising 3 more capital ships destroyed or captured?

They should allow it if the alternative is having to send a major fleet to aid us.
 
actually then packrat could we ask Our naval command to loan us the one battleship sword of democracy at no cost for 2 turns on the premise that we can take care of this entire problem if they do promising 3 more capital ships destroyed or captured?

They should allow it if the alternative is having to send a major fleet to aid us.

Not really, you are likely to get a half price option to have the battle cruiser Sword of Democracy assigned to your command, perhaps a quarter cost if you only want it for one action. Either way though if you manage to convince them that there is a legitimate threat of capital ships over the border then they would send a six battleship squadron to support under the command of another Commodore. That would take a 'strategic turn' to arrive though.

You are not likely to get command over entire squadrons of capital ships unless you get promoted. This is absolutely an option given your current ludicrous levels of political capital but not until the current scenario is resolved.

Edit: Also right now voting is split between Raid and Harass. About to sleep here so I will take a look tomorrow then work from there.
 
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100 covers the existing budget deficit and the two Light Cruisers. It leaves us with a quarterly Sector Budget surplus of 0.7. It leaves us with 67 Political Capital, but with the Share we only lose a point of Loyalty and Diplomacy if a Share adds one to each. Furthermore we can expect to see our Political Capital to reach 100 after this better or soon. The Share will help protect us no matter what happens and it is about time we buy it. Ordering the ships now means that by the start of the next Strategic turn, we"ll have two light cruisers to support us. Investing will generate us income while leaving 17 to spend or save to support our Lifestyle for three quarterly turns.
 
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100 covers the existing budget deficit and the two Light Cruisers. It leaves us with a quarterly Sector Budget surplus of 0.7. It leaves us with 67 Political Capital, but with the Share we only lose a point of Loyalty and Diplomacy if a Share adds one to each. Furthermore we can expect to see our Political Capital to reach 100 after this better or soon. The Share will help protect us no matter what happens and it is about time we buy it. Ordering the ships now means that by the start of the next Strategic turn, we"ll have two light cruisers to support us. Investing will generate us income while leaving 17 to spend or save to support our Lifestyle for three quarterly turns.

[X] Raid, Reinforcements and Share
[X] Raid Chuang Mu, Again. You can force these battleships off Imhotep if you threaten their home system in greater force.
[X} Spend 170 Political Capital
-[X] 100 spent on Sector Budget
-[X] 70 spent on two Light Cruisers.
[X} Make Sones and Ranca the captain of the new Light Cruisers. Make Wison the captain of the Fleet Corvette.
[X] Buy a Share with 100 Wealth
[X] Invest 40 Wealth.

[] Harass, Reinforcements and Share
[] Harass. If you combine your ships with those of the newly arrived heavy cruiser squadron then you can try to pick apart the rogue fleet over Imhotep.
[} Spend 170 Political Capital
-[] 100 spent on Sector Budget
-[] 70 spent on two Light Cruisers.
[} Make Sones and Ranca the captain of the new Light Cruisers. Make Wison the captain of the Fleet Corvette.
[] Buy a Share with 100 Wealth
[] Invest 40 Wealth
gunman relax, this vote is ONLY to determine how we promise to respond on the next turn. We can and will vote during the next turn before anything happens.
 
Don't we want to keep Sones as our chief of staff running our intel net and being an effective spy for now?

Also what San said, @Gunman, please don't split the vote here when it's so close. The bloc vote for purchasing and etc. comes after this one.
Adhoc vote count started by Snowfire on Sep 3, 2018 at 8:38 PM, finished with 2268 posts and 32 votes.

  • [X] Harass. If you combine your ships with those of the newly arrived heavy cruiser squadron then you can try to pick apart the rogue fleet over Imhotep.
    [X] Raid Chuang Mu, Again. You can force these battleships off Imhotep if you threaten their home system in greater force.
    [X] Their problem. The Imperial Fleet is exhausted. Now is the time for the Duchies to show their patriotism!
    [X] Harass. If you combine your ships with those of the newly arrived heavy cruiser squadron then you can try to pick apart the rogue fleet over Imhotep.
    -[X] conscript every ship you can, and use political favour to borrow more from every local ducal House and crush the rogue fleet over Imhotep
    [X] Reinforcements. The Imperial Navy is keeping it's capital ships in reserve as a fleet in being, but there is now a squadron of NASP capital ships pushed into Imperial space. You are not equipped to fight them but your job is to serve as a trip wire not deal with an invasion. Request that Fleet Command send heavy vessels to assist.
 
Don't we want to keep Sones as our chief of staff running our intel net and being an effective spy for now?

Also what San said, @Gunman, please don't split the vote here when it's so close. The bloc vote for purchasing and etc. comes after this one.

But that will be the start of the next strategic turn that is almost here. We have the option to buy them now and not wait another 3 months.

Sones can do both.
 
But that will be the start of the next strategic turn that is almost here. We have the option to buy them now and not wait another 3 months.

Sones can do both.
except I don't want two new garbage LC's I want a shiny new BC at half or a quarter of the cost! so I would prefer it if you waited plz. unless you just want to change the vote from sector budget and LC's to getting a BC.
 
But that will be the start of the next strategic turn that is almost here. We have the option to buy them now and not wait another 3 months.

Not so. The strategic turn isn't done yet, we're still only a month and a bit in. @Packrat told us that this is the outline pitch, with more complex voting coming in the next update regarding how we prepare to carry it all out. We can do the buy and requisition then, although respectfully, if we can get a BC for 55 PC, I'm really tempted to go for it.
 
Not so. The strategic turn isn't done yet, we're still only a month and a bit in. @Packrat told us that this is the outline pitch, with more complex voting coming in the next update regarding how we prepare to carry it all out. We can do the buy and requisition then, although respectfully, if we can get a BC for 55 PC, I'm really tempted to go for it.
agreed ESPECIALLY since you guys are all underestimating what we are capable of with a capital ship.

I mean seriously is there anyone capable of even hitting us once we have a firepower and size parity? WE will be op as all fk.
 
Not really, you are likely to get a half price option to have the battle cruiser Sword of Democracy assigned to your command, perhaps a quarter cost if you only want it for one action.

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So, uh, about 100-110 PC for a BC assigned to us and with corresponding budget increase. Absolutely worth it. I don't see any reason to hold off on it.
 
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So, uh, about 100-110 PC for a BC assigned to us and with corresponding budget increase. Absolutely worth it. I don't see any reason to hold off on it.
exactly, and it would actually be 55 PC for the sword of democracy being given to us along with a budget increase equal to half its maintenance costs.... ergo 6 more sector budget. thats 60 PC we don't need to spend on that.
 
and with corresponding budget increase

@Packrat had originally said we'd get a "slight budget increase" and every time we bought a ship we didn't get a budget increase unless I'm missing something. Why do you think we"ll get the 110 PC worth of Sector Budget to go with the purchase of a battlecruiser? Or do you mean we"ll pay for the budget increase?
 
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