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We've just lost our hunters, it's still Winter, and a war continuing will make gathering food basically impossible.

I'm happy with having taken my pound of flesh for them hunting us for food, but continuing this is sheer folly.

We have to draw a line at some point. We wanted to evolve Ruthless into Practical, right? Persecuting a war when we're already spent will be a step in the opposite direction. The Snow Clans want to talk. Let's hear them out.
 
[X] Accept the proposal. The council will go to the peace talks.


Theres neither the will nor the manpower to prosecute a further war. Assassinating leaders isn't going to break them up, it'd just make them mad because theres no centralization at this level yet and so the leaders are just mouthpieces.

If we continue, we'd starve in Spring what with having killed off the last of our hunters in a suicide mission.
 
SMuha said:
Wrong, ruthless action is the only option for decisive victory. We will crush enemies morale and dizorganize clans if we kills they rulers.
Asking for peace - is a sign of weakness, they on they last breath, and am sure we have perseverance to outlast them.
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Keep in mind that other tribes have values too. The White Clans haven't braved out that slug-fest with you because they are quitters.

Neither are they randomly eating people for no reason. They do have their own culture and beliefs and thus reasons for their actions.
 
Everyone has a reason but not all reasons are equally valid. These guys aren't funerary cannibals or people eating those already dead to not waste meat. They hunt people for food, and I want them either away from us or preferably dead.
 
Timewinders said:
Everyone has a reason but not all reasons are equally valid. These guys aren't funerary cannibals or people eating those already dead to not waste meat. They hunt people for food, and I want them either away from us or preferably dead.
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Considering the situation both us and them could still not survive the winter. Even if we go to peace.
 
[X] Send a few hunters to monitor the site. If the White Clans leaders show themselves, the council will come. (Might result in peace talks not starting, even if the other side is willing to negotiate.)
 
Timewinders said:
Everyone has a reason but not all reasons are equally valid. These guys aren't funerary cannibals or people eating those already dead to not waste meat. They hunt people for food, and I want them either away from us or preferably dead.
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I would also prefer them gone, but at the very least we need to negotiate a ceasefire or we will not make it. We have lost all our hunters, and you've seen the malus for gathering food in an active war zone. That needs to stop.
 
Azel said:
Keep in mind that other tribes have values too. The White Clans haven't braved out that slug-fest with you because they are quitters.
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But they as battered as we are, and if we kills clans leaders this will put us in better position. We both on the verge of collapse, and i am sure if we strike now they will crumble first.
 
Guys. We are on the brink of collapse.

Again, we have lost our hunters, we have a winter malus, and we have a wartime malus.

If we don't negotiate peace we will starve in the midst of mutual annihilation.

Continuing the war is a terrible idea on so many levels.
 
Duesal said:
Guys. We are on the brink of collapse.

Again, we have lost our hunters, we have a winter malus, and we have a wartime malus.

If we don't negotiate peace we will starve in the midst of mutual annihilation.

Continuing the war is a terrible idea on so many levels.
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But that if they demand our surrender? Or even just compensation? Will we agree to this? Because if not, then congratulations, we waste an excellent opportunity to deliver heavy strike. Strike, that have a chance finish them in one or two turn.
And that if they would ambush our leaders? Do you think we will survive this, then our morale already so low? Did it really wise send our council without hunters?
 
SMuha said:
But that if they demand our surrender? Or even just compensation? Will we agree to this? Because if not, then congratulations, we waste an excellent opportunity to deliver heavy strike. Strike, that have a chance finish them in one or two turn.
And that if they would ambush our leaders? Do you think we will survive this, then our morale already so low? Did it really wise send our council without hunters?
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Heavy Fearmongering, The only way they would do that is if their suicidal, Attacking them kills us, them attacking us kills them
Ancient MAD in effect
 
Only good thing I can see coming from this is our great hunter passing some of the STRONK genes on.

Big fish in a small pond.
 
SMuha said:
But that if they demand our surrender? Or even just compensation? Will we agree to this? Because if not, then congratulations, we waste an excellent opportunity to deliver heavy strike. Strike, that have a chance finish them in one or two turn.
And that if they would ambush our leaders? Do you think we will survive this, then our morale already so low? Did it really wise send our council without hunters?
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What we're doing right now is deciding whether or not to engage in peace talks at all. If their terms are something ridiculous then of course we'll say no, but it's outright suicidal if we don't even try.
 
SMuha said:
Wrong, ruthless action is the only option for decisive victory. We will crush enemies morale and dizorganize clans if we kills they rulers.
Asking for peace - is a sign of weakness, they on they last breath, and am sure we have perseverance to outlast them.
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Wrong. You poison our reputation for parley for generations.

If you want to continue fighting then do so, peace talks are a line you don't cross, it's not about being nice it's about protecting your future state.

You will do more harm to our tribe than theirs through this course of action and that is Foolish.
 
Duesal said:
If their terms are something ridiculous then of course we'll say no, but it's outright suicidal if we don't even try.
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But it wasted opportunity, as i say repeatedly. I really doubt we will have another chance to ambush clans leaders. By engage in peace talk we will lost this chance.

And even if we engage in peace talks, at least send hunters before council.
 
SMuha said:
But it wasted opportunity, as i say repeatedly. I really doubt we will have another chance to ambush clans leaders. By engage in peace talk we will lost this chance.

And even if we engage in peace talks, at least send hunters before council.
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It is not an opportunity, it's insane.

Set fire to their fucking toddlers for all anyone cares, as long as you don't promise you wouldn't right before doing so.

It might be hard to grasp but in this situation breaking your word is worse than rape and pillage, by far.
 
[X] (Ruthlessness) Plan an ambush to take the White Clans leaders as prisoners or slay them then and there.

It's the perfect opportunity.

Who dares, wins! This is our first step to eternal and everlasting conquest!

Deliste said:
Wrong. You poison our reputation for parley for generations.
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It's not the modern era, though. Word doesn't necessarily spread so easily, and reputation doesn't quite matter as much.

See, I'm more worried about the longer term. They have a larger population base than we do, they can bounce back more easily from such losses. A war of attrition isn't to our benefit. We've brought them a step from defeat.

The alternative is putting up with cannibals preying on our tribe whenever times get tough.
 
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[X] Accept the proposal. The council will go to the peace talks.

This is not the time to escalate hostilities.

Imagine if we fail the ambush? Then what? Our reputation gets smeared for generations to come. We will basically have a lower chance to negotiate in any of the next wars to come. And while martial power is nice and all, we shouldn't forget that if someone is willing to negotiate, that's another way to exert power over someone else too. Sometimes a win at the negotiation table is worth many on the field.
 
SMuha said:
No, it's foolish to waste such an opportunity, if we not ready to agree with they demands.
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That is dumb, their just as battered as us, In least their suicidal it will be a mutually agreed truce, not demands, Attacking them risks dying out and losing while worse case scenario (outside them ambushing us which means we still lose) we become assimilated and then control their tribe.
 
Satar said:
It's not the modern era, though. Word doesn't necessarily spread so easily, and reputation doesn't quite matter as much.
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Just because they don't have advanced communications doesn't make this any less important. Stuff like breaking parlay is legendarily rotten, and people who pull that sort of stuff are almost universally hated.
SMuha said:
No, it's foolish to waste such an opportunity, if we not ready to agree with they demands.
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You don't even know their demands yet. How about we hear what they have to say first? If they ask something insane like "tribute" then sure, we fight, but odds are they just want a break and so do we.
 
HugoR said:
[X] Accept the proposal. The council will go to the peace talks.

This is not the time to escalate hostilities.

Imagine if we fail the ambush? Then what? Our reputation gets smeared for generations to come. We will basically have a lower chance to negotiate in any of the next wars to come. And while martial power is nice and all, we shouldn't forget that if someone is willing to negotiate, that's another way to exert power over someone else too. Sometimes a win at the negotiation table is worth many on the field.
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We have a hero and they don't. I don't think that their food situation is good, at all (otherwise they wouldn't be cutting limbs off our men and presumably eating them). They have a larger population base than we do. The short-term situation is awful, their long-term beats us by a mile.

And what's the guarantee that they don't ambush us at the meeting? After all, this is a maneating tribe of cannibals who used the dead bodies of our tribesmen as bait and impale the bodies of our slain on wooden sticks. They probably have a trait for covert action or ruthlessness.

Duesal said:
Just because they don't have advanced communications doesn't make this any less important. Stuff like breaking parlay is legendarily rotten, and people who pull that sort of stuff are almost universally hated.
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The only other peoples they know of are the Goat People, with whom they are in open conflict.
 
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Deliste said:
It might be hard to grasp but in this situation breaking your word is worse than rape and pillage, by far.
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No, it's really not. History is written by the winners.

Ghostdevil said:
their just as battered as us
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Yep and we have a chance to win right now.

Duesal said:
If they ask something insane like "tribute" then sure, we fight, but odds are they just want a break and so do we.
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But then we wil be forced fight on even ground. And this is suicid.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by gutza1 on Jun 21, 2018 at 8:52 PM, finished with 900 posts and 14 votes.
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