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Box Lunch said:
Really? A naive country girl finds herself in the presence of two wealthy, seasoned socialites, and you're surprised to find her psyche folds like origami?
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Her psyche hasn't folded much (I admit her eyes being offered to us was weird, but it was a no shit dojutsu so I didn't care at the time) - she's been enduring well imo. If Xiaoling didn't take repeated digs at her after several years of staying together, she'd be much better, probably. She should have gotten more used to it anyways, though the fact she had to get used to it is a bit saddening.
 
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Just a random thought, but who have we encountered in this Quest that knows memes? There is ourselves of course, there is our extrusion ..
And our wife.

Has anyone else shown knowledge of Earth culture?
 
RedV said:
I would say we've consistently gone for Xiaoling powerup options; only exception was when we gave her the Pearl over Xiaoling. Only reason we got Suizhen's loyalty was it didn't conflict with a Xiaoling vote - she otherwise got large amount of discussion bonuses while Suizhen... didn't. Except for the Regalia.
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The Regalia was a big deal though, worth more than everything we gave to Xiaoling put together, as purely in terms of Cultivation is was worth one Beyond and one Further Beyonds, which is more than the three Beyond stages we gave Xiaoling.

In total, we've voted for Xiaoling power-up options twice and Suizhen power up options twice, and made more of a direct sacrifice of power for Suizhen, as the bracers of might would have been very handy.
 
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Alratan said:
In total, we've voted for Xiaoling power-up options twice and Suizhen power up options twice, and made more of a direct sacrifice of power for Suizhen, as the bracers of might would have been very handy.
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You are not wrong, but one could argue that we sacrificed Beyond or Further Beyond Kleinvarrs for Xiaoling - depending on various things that 4-5 x cultivation multiplier might have been worth more than the bracers.
 
Chronic said:
You are not wrong, but one could argue that we sacrificed Beyond or Further Beyond Kleinvarrs for Xiaoling - depending on various things that 4-5 x cultivation multiplier might have been worth more than the bracers.
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Beyond or Further Beyond Kleinvarrs would have actually costed precious Beyond Points. In addition to the option itself.
 
Alratan said:
The Regalia was a big deal though, worth more than everything we gave to Xiaoling put together, as purely in terms of Cultivation is was worth one Beyond and one Further Beyonds, which is more than the three Beyond stages we gave Xiaoling.

In total, we've voted for Xiaoling power-up options twice and Suizhen power up options twice, and made more of a direct sacrifice of power for Suizhen, as the bracers of might would have been very handy.
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It's arguable whether it is worth more- Suizhen gets +0.75 Stages in combat, which reduces to +0.25 Stages outside of it in addition to shapeshifting into a generally human shape.

Xiaoling gets a +0.75 Stages that are fully applicable for everything, in addition to utility benefits of B. Organ Refining and Soul Chrysalis which Suizhen doesn't get.

I am unsure how the girls use their Cultivation in non-combat modes though.

Besides, in a pinch we can borrow the Regalia from Suizhen and get our value back with that. I don't think Xiaoling can give us back her Beyond Stages, though since Nameless' kids from his first wife will be Half-Elves I do not regret making them. But it's a post epilogue benefit.

Shard said:
Beyond or Further Beyond Kleinvarrs would have actually costed precious Beyond Points. In addition to the option itself.
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Yeah, but chance to get that 5x Cultivation multiplier was pretty good. OTOH, maybe it would have locked us out of All Paths since we might not have been able to generate enough BP with new source of BP drain, which would suck a lot.

Since our kids will be half-Elves I'm glad we took half-Elf Beyond Stage on average though.
 
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For the BP discussion, I wonder if we could go Beyond or Further Beyond Stageless-ness.

RedV said:
Besides, in a pinch we can borrow the Regalia from Suizhen and get our value back with that. I don't think Xiaoling can give us back her Beyond Stages, though since Nameless' kids from his first wife will be Half-Elves I do not regret making them. But it's a post epilogue benefit.
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The Regalia is an implanted artifact that's part of Suizhen in the same way as Nameless' implanted artifacts.

Talking of Suizhen, when Nameless gets the ability to transfer essence around he should be able to reset her Cultivation so she can use the Eyes of Truth's ability to take Diagram magic based Beyond Cultivation Stages, and then give her the essence back to power level her. The same applies to Xiaoling, although she probably hasn't completed Dao Cleaving yet (Dao of Grace would be interesting for her, as a Virtuous Xiaoling would be a good influence on Nameless).

They'll probably remain mostly useless, but it would be a nice thing to do.
 
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Wolfy said:
That is likely to damage her Cultivation base, however.
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If we reset her to zero, she won't have a Cultivation base to be damaged though, and so will be able to combine the insights of the Diagram with her Artifice granted shapeshifting as she recreates it from scratch. She's meant to be a genius at Cultivation equal to Nameless or Kong, and she has a lot more advantages than Kong did when he started out. Particularly if she's also benefiting from True Amplification while breaking through.

The most effective time to do this would probably be right after the Heroine awakens, at which point Suizhen will get the Age of Glory bullshit as well as the Lieutenant buff plus what we have given her.

We know that the Heroine gets at least a couple of EFBs, and that it's hard to distinguish her from the additional Age of Glory heroes. If anyone's going to discover what, say, EFB Ego Barrier, Organ Refining, or Soul Chrysalis are, it would be her.
 
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Alratan said:
For the BP discussion, I wonder if we could go Beyond or Further Beyond Stageless-ness.



The Regalia is an implanted artifact that's part of Suizhen in the same way as Nameless' implanted artifacts.

Talking of Suizhen, when Nameless gets the ability to transfer essence around he should be able to reset her Cultivation so she can use the Eyes of Truth's ability to take Diagram magic based Beyond Cultivation Stages, and then give her the essence back to power level her. The same applies to Xiaoling, although she probably hasn't completed Dao Cleaving yet (Dao of Grace would be interesting for her, as a Virtuous Xiaoling would be a good influence on Nameless).

They'll probably remain mostly useless, but it would be a nice thing to do.
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I'd love to do that. We need to design half-Elven Beyond templates for our kids with Aurelia anyway, so Xiaoling will be a nice place to test thgem out.

I don't think her personality fits virtue though, and she likely wouldn't want to be virtuous through her dao. I prefer the dao of money for her, it's a much more accurate and fitting path for her Cultivation.

Alratan said:
For the BP discussion, I wonder if we could go Beyond or Further Beyond Stageless-ness.
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Stageless is still 'Dao Cleaving' according to the blurb for it, and it's only new Stages like Reality Masking where we can invest BP since we already possess EFB Dao Cleaving.
 
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Alratan said:
If we reset her to zero, she won't have a Cultivation base to be damaged though,
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That's not how it works. Taking essence from her is the same as paying essence for Artifacts. You can drop through Ego Barrier or Organ Forming stages, but dropping through higher stages irrecoverably damages your stage.

The way to do it is to have rando elf make an Artifact that allows her to revise her base and then refund him the cost of the Artifact via essence transfer.

We could make better Artifact ourselves, but I'm not sure if Overlord will allow it.
 
Tally incoming
Adhoc vote count started by Conjured Blade on May 13, 2018 at 1:10 PM, finished with 719 posts and 85 votes.
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Are we really considering doing absolutely nothing about the whole "the Extrusion is not cooperating" thing? (That is, neither I'll Face Myself nor Extra Diligent, which might at least help.) This does not seem like the very best of ideas to me.
 
UDwarf said:
Are we really considering doing absolutely nothing about the whole "the Extrusion is not cooperating" thing? (That is, neither I'll Face Myself nor Extra Diligent, which might at least help.) This does not seem like the very best of ideas to me.
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Extra-diligent is in the realm of arguments but I know right? One free day of work in 10 from the Lich? Do we really want to find out what we need to lose to lose Spoiled with All Paths?
 
Ugh. Didn't people wanted Nameless to moderate himself? Why the hell are we not taking the only option with any chance of doing it. The option also states that the potential for gaining power through the action is fucking massive!

It's also a fucking important part of our overgrowth farming plan! The plan that can get us quickly to IA if it works out!
 
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DkArthas said:
Ugh. Didn't people wanted Nameless to moderate himself? Why the he'll are we not taking the only option with any chance of doing it. The option also states that the potential for gaining power through the action is fucking massive!
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Fear of burnout from poor returns because the Extrusion was at least partially being charitable by warning nameless about that?

Still...

[x]Extra Diligent
[x]Strategic Complexion
[x]Open the Way
[x]Amplification
 
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We are in Elven territory, we are immune from spoiled procc. And, Nameless enjoys exploring his necromancer powers.
 
Pointless waxing aside, Diligent is only one among the three options that synergizes with other two. Truth/Strategize shouldn't be winning combo.
 
We didn't take the elder beast form, we need something that can help us in reaching IA in a reasonable time frame.

Also important for preparing for killing the Heroine and all those plans about raising shades of diagram mages for useful spells.
 
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As for the Truth, it's something that would have taken nameless a year to figure out even with Suizhen's help. If we are ignoring this chance to get it, it's likely that we won't be getting it in time for the Heroine.

It's also an extremely important part of our build due to the synergy with IA. I would very much prefer reaching IA with all the Truth diagram if only to have a better chance to defend against the tribulation.

Act as Truth sounds like something that can really save our ass in that case. And neutralizing an entire vector of attack through True Incarnation shouldn't be underestimated.
 
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[x]Extra Diligent
[x]Strategic Complexion

Might as well vote for Extra Diligent as well, I'd rather have the Eyes lose
 
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