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People are really fucking up with this vote. Guys, don't think in terms of which options you want, but which option combo together the best. For example, taking Open The Way with Truth vote means that you and Suizhen can farm Overgrowth together, while also getting the Truth and finding her parents' bodies at the same time. Please try to pick synergistic option instead of going "uuuh, I like this one and this one!".

[X] Plan Overlord
[X] Strategic Complexion
[X] Extra Diligent
[X] Open the Way
[X] Palimpsest - Form of Balance [1 Beyond Point]

This particular combination of votes works like this: Extra Diligent has us learn more about Extrusion, which then can be improved by Yong giving us a couple of tips - remember how we had ability to learn stuff from Suizhen? In addition, Form of Balance will help with our social a lot, allowing us to make better impression with Yong, making good rapport with him more likely to happen. Also, Form of Balance will help us rack up more good PR for doing good deeds, making it easier to deal with Ming and Vane.

Open the Way will help us get to the troubles we need to solve in Strategic faster, and it also allows us to quickly move our Lieutenants around, making this entire thing that much easier to deal with. Fact that we are actually doing something somewhat selfless might help us with our bad side, especially if we can use Veil to make us feel more pleasure from helping others.

Then, Diligent upgraded with Yong may allow us to start resurrecting people, which might help us with various disasters, mostly because we can ress important people that kept shit together. In addition, Yong might tell us location of last Overlord's tomb, allowing us to try to ress him.

But, most importantly, we get to teleport around with our minions, dealing with various issues. Fated Overlord indeed.
 
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[X] Plan Overlord
[X] Strategic Complexion
[X] Extra Diligent
[X] Open the Way
[X] Palimpsest - Form of Balance [1 Beyond Point]


How can I say no with a name like that? It's true that taking a mix of strength-enhancing and social actions is probably for the best. If we want to change, we should show it with our actions, and doing the (kind of) benevolent thing by intervening in the Empire's troubles before they spiral into something unmanageable sounds like a good first step.
 
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Rihaku said:
These forms are different enough that I'm comfortable splitting the Palimpsest vote. Truespelling this isn't likely to improve Cultivation speed much over the baseline spell, but the magnitude of the bonus to bodily actions could rise significantly.
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I'm not sure if Truespelling Balance had any social boni- the option itself only lists a bonus to physical actions.

Plan Overlord uses social bonus of Balance a lot, but it doesn't seem to be present. According to Fated Overlord social actions differ from physical actions.

EFB Ampli might be better. It is guaranteed multiplier or Cultivation base increase.
 
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RedV said:
I'm not sure if Truespelling Balance had any social boni- the option itself only lists a bonus to physical actions.

I'd prefer EFB Ampli, it is guaranteed multiplier or Cultivation base increase.
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Maybe it doesn't help our charisma - depends on whether body language falls under its aegis - but our physical features become flawless. It's not like we're trying to make up for the feelings of inferiority after meeting our wife!
 
[X] Pursuit of the Truth
[X] Extra Diligent
[X] Amplification
[X] Palimpsest - Form of Balance [1 Beyond Point]

Plan Overlord is interesting for sure, but we 100% need True Incarnation before the Heroine goes active, to gain guaranteed protection from Fated Love. We don't have another year to search for the Truth, so i would prefer to train up Necromancer and Truth in the Elven lands while profiting from our multipliers. True Incarnation will give us another True Spell slot we can use for Open the Way. Necromancer needs to get to the level where we can revive people and drain essence. Then we can go into a new adventuring spree where we talk to Yong, start draining the Overgrowth and resurrect long dead Liches and super-elves.
 
Ampli seems better to me since Nameless is already highly good looking due to Young Master, and Ampli doesn't spend a BP but gets a multiplier.
 
Chronic said:
Not a full year, last i checked. More like 10 months? Certainly not enough to develop the Truth if we want to adventure agressively in the same year.
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Does one have to interfere with the other? We know research and practice alone aren't necessarily the key, so going on adventures could well be more successful at getting Truth Diagrams than what we're doing now.
 
[X] Pursuit of the Truth
[X] Extra Diligent

[X] Open the Way
[X] Palimpsest - Form of Balance [1 Beyond Point]
 
Unelemental said:
Does one have to interfere with the other? We know research and practice alone aren't necessarily the key, so going on adventures could well be more successful at getting Truth Diagrams than what we're doing now.
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I'd rather not risk it? If we don't have Fated Love immunity when the Heroine shows up we are in serious trouble. I'd rather lock it down while we have the chance. Not to mention that i feel we need True Incarnation to have a better shot at surviving the Tribulation. Once we get started on the Overgrowth exploitation plan we should rapidly (around a few months) break into Immortal Awakening, at which point the Tribulations should begin. I feel that immunity to mental attacks and 0.5 additional stages of power on top of reasonable mastery of the Scepter will be very useful for surviving them. We'll be at, what, combat stage 17 on breaking into IA if we have Incarnation and the Scepter mastered? Probably not quite that much since we won't achieve full mastery of Necromancer, but still far superior to a vanilla Immortal.

Thus, we need True Incarnation before we start to exploit the Overgrowth.
 
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The tomb should give us some more insight about Truth and diagram thought....and maybe some cultivation method.

I remember that only diagram help in our defend in the tomb so research diagram help a lot.
 
The best thing about Pursuit of the Truth is that it's so plainly good that it goes in anything. More true spells. More stage bonuses. Fated Love immunity.

It's a balanced option that fits well with our current context-lite planning.
 
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The most important thing is that there should be no choice about taking this. Yes, there are plenty of other shinies on the table to distract us, but there will always be other shinies. We have a year left after the timeskip before the heroine awakens, two years before she's relevant. Removing Spoiled means that we'll use those two years vastly more productively.

[X] I'll Face Myself
[X] Extra Diligent
[X] Amplification
[X] Palimpsest - Form of the Elder Beast [1 Beyond Point]

We voted to try to change, so let's actually try to change. This is probably the best chance we're going to get to remove Spoiled, which has been a millstone around Nameless' neck the entire quest. There are no upsides to Spoiled. None. Nameless being willing to ask for and receive honest advice from his wife is also a sign of character development. It should make it easier in future if he needs talking down from doing something stupid in a fit of Vengeance.

The chance to get a useful rather than actively damaging Emanation is just gravy on top of that.

Extra Diligent should synergise very nicely with that, making sure that we have the maximum chance of getting the ability to steal essence by the end of the Timeskip. The Cultivation multipliers mean that we'll be stronger when we go on our next adventure, as we can Chronreact during the timeskip year. It's also insurance in case we don't learn how to do essene transfers.
 
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Tally.
Adhoc vote count started by DkArthas on May 8, 2018 at 5:32 AM, finished with 29261 posts and 35 votes.
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Alratan said:
We voted to try to change, so let's actually try to change. This is probably the best chance we're going to get to remove Spoiled, which has been a millstone around Nameless' neck the entire quest. There are no upsides to Spoiled. None. Nameless being willing to ask for and receive honest advice from his wife is also a sign of character development. It should make it easier in future if he needs talking down from doing something stupid in a fit of Vengeance.
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There are also no upsides to ignoring Truth research again, or to leaving the empire to upheaval, or to keeping Extirpation. What we don't do gives us nothing, this is tautology.

Getting rid of Spoiled is a shiny, too. A mystery box, even!
 
[X] I'll Face Myself
[X] Extra Diligent
[X] Open the Way
[X] Palimpsest - Form of the Elder Beast [1 Beyond Point]
 
Box Lunch said:
There are also no upsides to ignoring Truth research again, or to leaving the empire to upheaval, or to keeping Extirpation. What we don't do gives us nothing, this is tautology.

Getting rid of Spoiled is a shiny, too. A mystery box, even!
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Getting rid of Spoiled isn't a mystery box. It's removing a known weakness. It's different to the other choices, rather than eternally grasping for more and more and more, this is a choice to consolidate, to patch a flaw before it can continue to do damage.

Getting rid of Spoiled should make everything else significantly easier in future, be that doing Truth research or fixing the Empire, is Nameless is far less likely to get bored and half-ass it.

It's an investment.

People voted for self-improvement last time. We need to be able to demonstrate consistency and not just jump from impulse to impulse every vote and every time another option comes up. If we want to succeed we need to persevere. We were warned that fixing Nameless' character might be hard - this is the result. It will be a sacrifice, but it'll be worth it.
 
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[X] Plan Overlord
[X] Strategic Complexion
[X] Extra Diligent
[X] Open the Way
[X] Palimpsest - Form of Balance [1 Beyond Point]

Supporting the Empire is of paramount importance, Open The Way (True)+Overgrowth is basically monster vault people wanted, Palimpsest will give us all-around bonuses and charisma and Elder Beast form does not actually impact superior Beast-Draining cultivation at all, as I understand.

Maybe - not in support of it - extra diligent could be ditched for something, but the rest is the core of a pretty synergetic plan.
 
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Thinking about it, what could cause Yong Shen to refrain from exercising his power? There aren't really that many possible reasons - we can count them on the fingers of one hand, even. The other Titans and the Fates are the major factors, though I suppose he could be busy with a breakthrough or something. It's not that easy to narrow it down further, but I feel we can fall back on Terrascape's wisdom here - we just need to ask ourselves one question: who benefits?

We see a number of disparate factors tearing the Empire apart: the Overgrowth beasts intruding on other areas, feuding sects in the Center, a trading war between Vane and Ming... I don't think it's a big stretch to see the fingerprints of the Fates all over this. Which makes perfect sense if one considers the issue more thoroughly. We've become too strong too quickly and aren't worth supporting anymore, so they need to hurry up and kill us before it's too late. Hell, Kong seems to be a lesser threat in comparison if one looks at our development curve. And the Empires are our biggest weak point, so they've become the most attractive target.

That said, I don't know how exactly they'd stalled Shen, maybe it was the connection with Winter, maybe they'd arranged something in the vein of Fated Love, maybe something else, but the specifics don't really matter. Whatever happened, I don't want to let them have the initiative and find out that our lifeline has started crumbling at the worst possible moment, when we can't afford any distractions, which is the kind of dickish move I expect out of them.
 
Damn those two are adorable together.

[X] Pursuit of the Truth
[X] Extra Diligent
[X] Open the Way
[X] Palimpsest - Form of Balance [1 Beyond Point]

indra said:
Seriously people us we will leave pass the chance to remove Spoiled just because this opportunity comes from something external?
Not to mention that without this we do not have a confirmed way to remove Spoiled, already that Try to Change may fail and even if it works Rihaku already warned us not for expect results as early as 1-2 years.
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Meh I'll like those odds :p

Plus Extra Diligent will probably help Nameless learn to change himself in the future without needing Relia's help
 
[X] Strategic Complexion (with Xiaoling, Yong Shen) - The Empire seems to be experiencing a bout of instability. Yong Shen hasn't acted, but why? Perhaps it would be wise to pay grandpa a visit; and, if necessary, forcibly smooth out the ripples that have disturbed the previously tranquil pond of the Labyrinth.

[X] I'll Face Myself (with Aurelia) - It is touching that Aurelia does not wish to unduly influence Nameless with her supernaturally persuasive presence, but this is simply a case of "the mind is willing but the spirit is weak." Request Aurelia go all-out (within the bounds of her ethics) to convince Nameless not to be Spoiled anymore. High chance of removing Spoiled, which may alter your Emanation and will seriously change the Extrusion's personality. But as she herself asked, is it worth removing a defining feature of oneself for mere power? When you've come this far, isn't this precisely the type of choice that power should liberate you to discard?


[X] Open the Way - In the event that the Overgrowth is as large as Zang Kong could make it, this will be very helpful for the Overgrowth Beast Cultivation Extraction plan. Also provides a means to bypass the Heroine's plot armor (by directly killing the Fates once you have surpassed Zang Kong in power), and a means to neutralize Zang Kong's spatial Extrusion effects.
 
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