Sol Zagato
senseless brute
If we're not giving our vassal land, we need to give him money.
Magna Graecia: Victory's Children (A City State Quest)
- Thread starter Cetashwayo
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Cetashwayo
Lord of Ten Thousand Years
- Location
- Across the Horizon
If you choose not to give him land I will provide an option for him to gain a significant portion of the Eretrian war indemnity from Krotone and Lokri next year.
- Location
- Mists of Albion
Oh hell no.
Let's give him the land. We're not giving him money that we need for infrastructure
- Location
- USA
[X] Place Ostaron on the throne in exchange for him accepting tributary status.
Let us not break an agreement least the value of our word be decreased
Let us not break an agreement least the value of our word be decreased
- Location
- Meycauayan, Bulacan, Philippines
I, Bryzos the Psiloi, do vote the following:
[X] Place Ostaron back on his throne, restoring the alliance with Gnatia.
[X] Write-in: Provide a subsidy of 10 talents a year to Daxtus, for as long as he continues to be at war with the Tarantines. In return, secure his agreement not to interfere in the politics of Gnatia.
Because really, do we really want to break a treaty sworn to your gods? After we had agreed that it was your gods who had Antipater killed?
[X] Place Ostaron back on his throne, restoring the alliance with Gnatia.
[X] Write-in: Provide a subsidy of 10 talents a year to Daxtus, for as long as he continues to be at war with the Tarantines. In return, secure his agreement not to interfere in the politics of Gnatia.
Because really, do we really want to break a treaty sworn to your gods? After we had agreed that it was your gods who had Antipater killed?
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Cetashwayo
Lord of Ten Thousand Years
- Location
- Across the Horizon
I was asked what Daxtus would do if you seized the lands:
- Longterm alienation from Eretria
- He would see it as oathbreaking
- He would try to raid into Peuketii or Eretrian lands (although not significantly)
- Location
- Luton Airport
It has been a cornerstone of the reputation of Eretria that we do not break a sworn peace first. It is not at all worth sacrificing that for the sake of some rocky highlands.
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- He/Him
Why exactly? What infrastructure do we so desperately need right now?
- Location
- Central Europe
We'll have enough money to reward Harpos once this war is over. Due to not being able to build anything during the stone wall construction, we should accumulate around 400 Talents by the end of 712. To this we will add many taken from Krotone, Lokris and Syracuse with our home front secured!
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- Location
- Luton Airport
I'd rather have Gnatia as the shining example to the other Iapyges that yeah, this is the reward being a loyal ally to Eretria gets you, rather than demonstrating that the end state of dealing with Eretria forever faithfully is being ground under our bootheel.
Cetashwayo
Lord of Ten Thousand Years
- Location
- Across the Horizon
This is allowed, though obviously less popular to Daxtus and the Gnatians.
- Location
- Mists of Albion
Or you could do that whilst gaining more troops and tribute and keeping Daxtus out of Gnatian politics, instead of allowing him more influence over our southern sphere, along the coastline he wants badly.
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- Location
- Southern Virginia
While money is always useful in war, is 10 talents a year enough to make a real difference under the circumstances?
- Location
- USA
@Cetashwayo What would the view be of other Greek cities if we occupied the land in light of the peace we swore in the sacred grove of Artemis?
Cetashwayo
Lord of Ten Thousand Years
- Location
- Across the Horizon
It is what I pegged useful support at. Daxtus would know how to use it best. He is after all dependent on the financial support of the fractious Messapii cities and having an independent income can allow him to make decisions separately.
Greeks break truces all the time. It's likely to affect your relationship with the Messapii really badly, though, and it makes you just another opportunistic Hellene trucebreaker to them.
[X] Place Ostaron on the throne in exchange for him accepting tributary status.
Let us cement our hegemony over Epulia
Let us cement our hegemony over Epulia
- Location
- USA
So the question is do we want a permanent enemy in the messapii? Or do we want to risk them losing to Taras who is hostile to us.
@Cetashwayo if we would use our army to help the messapii secure further land in the war vs taras could they then give up the land the Peuketii want?
@Cetashwayo if we would use our army to help the messapii secure further land in the war vs taras could they then give up the land the Peuketii want?
Cetashwayo
Lord of Ten Thousand Years
- Location
- Across the Horizon
You are not going to get involved in the war, because a. you'll lose and b. you're busy in Sicily.
- Location
- Luton Airport
It's my position that Gnatia as the ideal of what serving Eretria loyally gets you is far more valuable than the 3.5 Talents a turn them being tributary would gain us.
Stealthy
Reverently Irreverent
- Location
- Roaming
Breaking the peace with Daxtus is a bad idea for a lot of reasons. That land isn't very useful to us, we have other ways of rewarding Harpos ahead of us, and a peaceful southern border is damn important. I'm ready to rule out giving Harpos the land, and am set on tossing cash at Daxtus.
- Location
- USA
I'm willing to flip my vote but it would need to be to a winning one to avoid breaking our word. Establishing ourselves as true to our deals with the locals should give us an edge in negotiations with them down the line.
- Location
- Mists of Albion
But at the same time your vote costs Gnatian lives, is complex and more likely to leave a potential claimant alive.
Whilst leaving them an ally is possible, why shouldn't we make them tributaries? They'll still have freedoms but we'll also get more troops and coin.
- Location
- Europe
[X] Allow the alliance with Gnatia to lapse under Arsenon and accept his rule. We must not get entangled in this web while war still looms in Sicily and Italia.
[X] Place Ostaron on the throne in exchange for him accepting tributary status.
[X] [User Motion] Place Ostaron on the throne in exchange for him accepting tributary status. And send Daxtus a payment of 10 Talents for the duration of his war against Taras.
I don't really feel like breaking an oath-sworn truce for little gain. I still feel bad about breaking our alliance with Taras to be honest.
I'm fine with any of the above, since I don't believe it's absolutely necessary to intervene with Gnatia now. However, if we do intervene we should demand some concessions from Ostaron. We're helping him claim the town afterall.
[X] Place Ostaron on the throne in exchange for him accepting tributary status.
[X] [User Motion] Place Ostaron on the throne in exchange for him accepting tributary status. And send Daxtus a payment of 10 Talents for the duration of his war against Taras.
I don't really feel like breaking an oath-sworn truce for little gain. I still feel bad about breaking our alliance with Taras to be honest.
I'm fine with any of the above, since I don't believe it's absolutely necessary to intervene with Gnatia now. However, if we do intervene we should demand some concessions from Ostaron. We're helping him claim the town afterall.