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- Roaming
@Cetashwayo is sending Drako somewhere an option?
Also agreeing hard with Cav that we shouldn't go to Carthage.
Also agreeing hard with Cav that we shouldn't go to Carthage.
Magna Graecia: Victory's Children (A City State Quest)
- Thread starter Cetashwayo
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Cetashwayo
Lord of Ten Thousand Years
- Location
- Across the Horizon
Drako is running the home defense.
- Location
- Canada
- Pronouns
- Him/He
[X] Yes, he is a trusted and friendly face among the Metapontines. No other general is so supportive of Eretria, even if it for self-serving purposes.
The last battle has proven that none among the Strategos of the alliance may consider himself the equal of mighty Herodion. By supporting Lykos we augment his influence and both our chances of victory as well as the glory of fair Eretria.
[X] Heroes great and small have played a role in Eretria. We must not forget them by letting their graves be forgotten, and encourage future heroes to rise up.
Lets honour in death those who have served the city so well in life.
[X] Kallias should be sent to Lykai to investigate rumors of a Korinthian Conspiracy against Eretria Eskhata potentially involving the Tarentines, Liburni, and Dauni.
The freedom of our Ionian breathen is a great and noble cause but our first duty has always and must always be the defense of fair Eretria herself. Such a conspiracy threaten our very homes and is therefore a far greater priority then the war in the south.
The last battle has proven that none among the Strategos of the alliance may consider himself the equal of mighty Herodion. By supporting Lykos we augment his influence and both our chances of victory as well as the glory of fair Eretria.
[X] Heroes great and small have played a role in Eretria. We must not forget them by letting their graves be forgotten, and encourage future heroes to rise up.
Lets honour in death those who have served the city so well in life.
[X] Kallias should be sent to Lykai to investigate rumors of a Korinthian Conspiracy against Eretria Eskhata potentially involving the Tarentines, Liburni, and Dauni.
The freedom of our Ionian breathen is a great and noble cause but our first duty has always and must always be the defense of fair Eretria herself. Such a conspiracy threaten our very homes and is therefore a far greater priority then the war in the south.
[X] Yes, he is a trusted and friendly face among the Metapontines. No other general is so supportive of Eretria, even if it for self-serving purposes.
[X] Heroes great and small have played a role in Eretria. We must not forget them by letting their graves be forgotten, and encourage future heroes to rise up.
[X] Kallias should be sent to the Sicilian Greek Cities to forge an alliance with them against Syrakousai, convincing them to enter the war in Sicily.
[X] Heroes great and small have played a role in Eretria. We must not forget them by letting their graves be forgotten, and encourage future heroes to rise up.
[X] Kallias should be sent to the Sicilian Greek Cities to forge an alliance with them against Syrakousai, convincing them to enter the war in Sicily.
Walker Of Chaos
Best/Worst Dynasty
- Location
- Sweden
[X] All have a place in Eretria, and we must not worship the dead. There cannot be any discrimination in the graves of the dead beyond the wealth of the individual.
Throw the youth faction a bone by giving them a relatively insignificant victory.
[X] Yes, he is a trusted and friendly face among the Metapontines. No other general is so supportive of Eretria, even if it for self-serving purposes.
Make him indebted to us allowing Herodion much greater control over the war effort in Italia.
[X] Kallias should be sent to Lykai to investigate rumors of a Korinthian Conspiracy against Eretria Eskhata potentially involving the Tarentines, Liburni, and Dauni.
We absolutely can not allow for a second front to be opened against us. I also do not trust Leontios to not fuck us over if he is ever given the chance to.
Throw the youth faction a bone by giving them a relatively insignificant victory.
[X] Yes, he is a trusted and friendly face among the Metapontines. No other general is so supportive of Eretria, even if it for self-serving purposes.
Make him indebted to us allowing Herodion much greater control over the war effort in Italia.
[X] Kallias should be sent to Lykai to investigate rumors of a Korinthian Conspiracy against Eretria Eskhata potentially involving the Tarentines, Liburni, and Dauni.
We absolutely can not allow for a second front to be opened against us. I also do not trust Leontios to not fuck us over if he is ever given the chance to.
[X] Yes, he is a trusted and friendly face among the Metapontines. No other general is so supportive of Eretria, even if it for self-serving purposes.
[X] Heroes great and small have played a role in Eretria. We must not forget them by letting their graves be forgotten, and encourage future heroes to rise up.
[X] Kallias should be sent to Lykai to investigate rumors of a Korinthian Conspiracy against Eretria Eskhata potentially involving the Tarentines, Liburni, and Dauni.
[X] Heroes great and small have played a role in Eretria. We must not forget them by letting their graves be forgotten, and encourage future heroes to rise up.
[X] Kallias should be sent to Lykai to investigate rumors of a Korinthian Conspiracy against Eretria Eskhata potentially involving the Tarentines, Liburni, and Dauni.
[X] Yes, he is a trusted and friendly face among the Metapontines. No other general is so supportive of Eretria, even if it for self-serving purposes.
[X] Heroes great and small have played a role in Eretria. We must not forget them by letting their graves be forgotten, and encourage future heroes to rise up.
[X] Kallias should be sent to the Sicilian Greek Cities to forge an alliance with them against Syrakousai, convincing them to enter the war in Sicily.
[X] Heroes great and small have played a role in Eretria. We must not forget them by letting their graves be forgotten, and encourage future heroes to rise up.
[X] Kallias should be sent to the Sicilian Greek Cities to forge an alliance with them against Syrakousai, convincing them to enter the war in Sicily.
- Location
- Central Europe
What about a User Motion to send Timaeus to go and meet with his former business partner?
He won't have the diplomatic skill of Kallias, but there are probably few left in Eretria who know Leontios better than him.
- Location
- Luton Airport
With four potential employments for Kallias, I'd agree with @Cavalier that bringing the Carthaginians into play in Sicily is easily discarded, and similarly say that Krotone isn't a priority - they'll still be suffering the damage and have the potential to be split from lightly injured Lokri next year.
That leaves the Sicilian Greeks, and Lykai. Sicily will require a man of independent talent, being so distant, but it may be that Lykai can be dealt with direct from Eretria, being far closer, and inherently upon the route Kallias would take to proceed to Sicily.
@Cetashwayo, would it be feasible for Kallia to lay over at Lykai, to gauge the importance of the matter in hand, before then making a final decision whether to focus upon that, or proceed on to Sicily and leave liaison with Leontios in the hands of a deputy coordinating with the Boule in Eretria?
That leaves the Sicilian Greeks, and Lykai. Sicily will require a man of independent talent, being so distant, but it may be that Lykai can be dealt with direct from Eretria, being far closer, and inherently upon the route Kallias would take to proceed to Sicily.
@Cetashwayo, would it be feasible for Kallia to lay over at Lykai, to gauge the importance of the matter in hand, before then making a final decision whether to focus upon that, or proceed on to Sicily and leave liaison with Leontios in the hands of a deputy coordinating with the Boule in Eretria?
- Location
- Mists of Albion
[X] Yes, he is a trusted and friendly face among the Metapontines. No other general is so supportive of Eretria, even if it for self-serving purposes.
[X] Heroes great and small have played a role in Eretria. We must not forget them by letting their graves be forgotten, and encourage future heroes to rise up.
[X] Kallias should be sent to Lykai to investigate rumors of a Korinthian Conspiracy againstEretria Eskhata potentially involving theTarentines, Liburni, and Dauni.
Anyone else think Obader sounds like a bit of a prick? Some mouthy kid who challenged Drako and Herodion because they were old? Who thinks he deserves a leadership position because he is young? All youth means is inexperience, the boy should remember what happened last time a young, proud, hubris filled fool led an Eretrian army...
[X] Heroes great and small have played a role in Eretria. We must not forget them by letting their graves be forgotten, and encourage future heroes to rise up.
[X] Kallias should be sent to Lykai to investigate rumors of a Korinthian Conspiracy againstEretria Eskhata potentially involving theTarentines, Liburni, and Dauni.
Anyone else think Obader sounds like a bit of a prick? Some mouthy kid who challenged Drako and Herodion because they were old? Who thinks he deserves a leadership position because he is young? All youth means is inexperience, the boy should remember what happened last time a young, proud, hubris filled fool led an Eretrian army...
Cetashwayo
Lord of Ten Thousand Years
- Location
- Across the Horizon
No, because he'll need as much time as he needs in Sicily. Trying to convert three large cities over to the Ionian cause needs the fullest time possible to be effective.
Sure, but all of these options presented as alternatives to Kallias belie that this is a diplomatic mission. Leontios is less important than the diplomatic implications he could present to Eretria. It's not going to provide fantastic results.
It might have something to do with the fact that the post-landing elite have more or less monopolized power between themselves
- Location
- Southern Virginia
Also we need to check Obander's birth certificate to be sure he was really born in Eretria and is a citizen, rather than a heterosexual Liburnian Jewish agent born in Illyria.
Professor Vesca
Good News Everyone!
Gasp! That fiend!
- Location
- Luton Airport
How long is it going to take to get the basic gist of the conspiracy from Leontios? It'd then be up to Kallias's experienced judgement whether such needs his personal attention, or if he can proceed on to Sicily on the the next tide.
Cetashwayo
Lord of Ten Thousand Years
- Location
- Across the Horizon
Knowing Leontios, always longer than expected.
- Location
- Central Europe
Obviously. I wasn't expecting a User Motion to simply give us second choice without any drawbacks.
That said, could we ask Metapontion to send a diplomat to Lykai? Maybe accompanied by Timaeus? Besides Tarantine involvement, which should always be of interest to them. IF there is a plot to directly attack Eretria, Metapontion would be honorbound to aid us.
Cetashwayo
Lord of Ten Thousand Years
- Location
- Across the Horizon
- Location
- Meycauayan, Bulacan, Philippines
I, Bryzos the Psiloi, do vote the following:
[X] Yes, he is a trusted and friendly face among the Metapontines. No other general is so supportive of Eretria, even if it for self-serving purposes.
Indeed! He has given us friendship, even when everyone else in his city didn't.
[X] All have a place in Eretria, and we must not worship the dead. There cannot be any discrimination in the graves of the dead beyond the wealth of the individual.
I must admit my own religion is what inspires me to vote this, but still! Why use up more land that could be used for farms?
[X] Kallias should be sent to Lykai to investigate rumors of a Korinthian Conspiracy against Eretria Eskhata potentially involving the Tarentines, Liburni, and Dauni.
We must secure our backs first, right?
[X] Yes, he is a trusted and friendly face among the Metapontines. No other general is so supportive of Eretria, even if it for self-serving purposes.
Indeed! He has given us friendship, even when everyone else in his city didn't.
[X] All have a place in Eretria, and we must not worship the dead. There cannot be any discrimination in the graves of the dead beyond the wealth of the individual.
I must admit my own religion is what inspires me to vote this, but still! Why use up more land that could be used for farms?
[X] Kallias should be sent to Lykai to investigate rumors of a Korinthian Conspiracy against Eretria Eskhata potentially involving the Tarentines, Liburni, and Dauni.
We must secure our backs first, right?
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- He/Him
[X] Yes, he is a trusted and friendly face among the Metapontines. No other general is so supportive of Eretria, even if it for self-serving purposes.
Never forget that it was a Metapontine general who attempted to cause our flank to rout by negligence after Ares took Antipater from us. We can never trust such a creature, for they have already shown willingness to betray their own city in battle for political gain. To impede their ambitions is for the good of both our cities.
Never forget that it was a Metapontine general who attempted to cause our flank to rout by negligence after Ares took Antipater from us. We can never trust such a creature, for they have already shown willingness to betray their own city in battle for political gain. To impede their ambitions is for the good of both our cities.
Cetashwayo
Lord of Ten Thousand Years
- Location
- Across the Horizon
This isn't a huge consideration for whether or not to make a cemetery of heroes. It's unlikely to take up much space and Eretria has a huge amount of space anyways.
- Location
- Mists of Albion
So that Eretrians and those who come after us can look back and be inspired by the Heroes of old.
We look to the heroes of Troy for inspiration, the heroes of the Persian wars, the demigods of old. So many heroes, all remembered and used to drive us to new heights of Arete.
How can you disregard the strength of heroes and history as though they do not matter? How can you disregard the great men who built this city? We cannot forget our past, and not commemorating the great men who forged it is a crime against the city and a crime against our descendants. Who will have naught but half remembered words to remember and emulate.
And that is a slap in the face against men who did so much for us.
So speaks Mikeletos.
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- He/Him
[X] Yes, he is a trusted and friendly face among the Metapontines. No other general is so supportive of Eretria, even if it for self-serving purposes.
[X] All have a place in Eretria, and we must not worship the dead. There cannot be any discrimination in the graves of the dead beyond the wealth of the individual.
The idea of a place to bury the heroic dead of the city is indeed beautiful, but it will take a cruel toll on the city in the years to come; for every time a man of some stature or renown falls there shall be bitter debate in the assembly as to exactly how much one needs to do to become a hero. Each man who is refused a place there will leave every man who supported him enraged and humiliated, and every man who is allowed a place will reopen those wounds as he is compared to those who have failed. We must not allow the honoring of the dead to become a matter of quantifying heroism, lest every death become a spark of discord.
[X] All have a place in Eretria, and we must not worship the dead. There cannot be any discrimination in the graves of the dead beyond the wealth of the individual.
The idea of a place to bury the heroic dead of the city is indeed beautiful, but it will take a cruel toll on the city in the years to come; for every time a man of some stature or renown falls there shall be bitter debate in the assembly as to exactly how much one needs to do to become a hero. Each man who is refused a place there will leave every man who supported him enraged and humiliated, and every man who is allowed a place will reopen those wounds as he is compared to those who have failed. We must not allow the honoring of the dead to become a matter of quantifying heroism, lest every death become a spark of discord.
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- Location
- France
[X] Yes, he is a trusted and friendly face among the Metapontines. No other general is so supportive of Eretria, even if it for self-serving purposes.
[X] Heroes great and small have played a role in Eretria. We must not forget them by letting their graves be forgotten, and encourage future heroes to rise up.
[X] Kallias should be sent to Lykai to investigate rumors of a Korinthian Conspiracy againstEretria Eskhata potentially involving theTarentines, Liburni, and Dauni
[X] Heroes great and small have played a role in Eretria. We must not forget them by letting their graves be forgotten, and encourage future heroes to rise up.
[X] Kallias should be sent to Lykai to investigate rumors of a Korinthian Conspiracy againstEretria Eskhata potentially involving theTarentines, Liburni, and Dauni
- Location
- Mists of Albion
The youth are foolish and arrogant. If a domesticated hound howls and yaps ceaselessly, refuses to learn to do as bid and fouls inside the house do you reward it?
Make the youth learn wisdom and patience, they insult the cities heroes, question Herodion over his position as Strategos after having fought, not commanded, in one battle. If Obader was half as brave as he is loud and eloquent I would have seen him amongst the cavalry that won the battle under Herodions guidance. Or perhaps he might have held the line and not had to be saved by ones such as I.
The youth are fools. Giving fools unearned victories instead of lessons on how not to be foolish is itself the sign of a fool. Teach these young ones, don't coddle them.
Heroes built this city. Heroes live within it. Why should heroes step forward unless they are rewarded? Why should people feel pride in their city unless they remember tales of their cities heroes? Why do new heroes step forward if not due to inspiration from those who came before?
Do not rob the city of its heroes because of a loud mouthed boy.
So Speaks Mikeletos.
- Location
- The Philippines
[X] Heroes great and small have played a role in Eretria. We must not forget them by letting their graves be forgotten, and encourage future heroes to rise up.
I am Timaios, son of Philippos, a young man myself and a peer to Obandros, but I feel I must argue against his position. For to honor the dead who themselves have given their lives for the honor of this polis is pious, and pleasing to the gods, to gray-eyed Athena and shining Apollon. And to leave the graves of our heroes merely to what wealth they held at death is misguided to me. Is it to be such that the poor who show arete are then to be given merely the graves of paupers?
We all are the sons of Eretria, sons of liberty, is it so wrong that we honor the heroic dead among us?
I am Timaios, son of Philippos, a young man myself and a peer to Obandros, but I feel I must argue against his position. For to honor the dead who themselves have given their lives for the honor of this polis is pious, and pleasing to the gods, to gray-eyed Athena and shining Apollon. And to leave the graves of our heroes merely to what wealth they held at death is misguided to me. Is it to be such that the poor who show arete are then to be given merely the graves of paupers?
We all are the sons of Eretria, sons of liberty, is it so wrong that we honor the heroic dead among us?