I'm a little bit skeptical of the write-in? I mean, as the first reaction? Hrm.

It seems like something that would be built to, rather than immediately decided?

It seems like there's a lot, like, contingencying on it? It's not one reaction, it's a chain of reactions, some of them drifting far off the central point?
But The!

Doncha know quest PCs are ruthless planning engines with uncanney foresight and limitless paranoia?!
 
I'm a little bit skeptical of the write-in? I mean, as the first reaction? Hrm.

It seems like something that would be built to, rather than immediately decided?

It seems like there's a lot, like, contingencying on it? It's not one reaction, it's a chain of reactions, some of them drifting far off the central point?
Ah, the votes an immediate reaction mostly? Darn. It did seem a bit like we could decide things over a longer stretch of time. I can't speak for everyone but the vote did seem a nice middle ground between telling him to never do it again and doing nothing about the vulnerability that was brought up. And of course, miles better than forcing him to go to the masters and making him hate us.

So yeah, I and probably others thought the vote was the middle ground response between doing nothing about it and being super concerned about the vulnerabilities and potential problems.
 
Ah, the votes an immediate reaction mostly? Darn. It did seem a bit like we could decide things over a longer stretch of time. I can't speak for everyone but the vote did seem a nice middle ground between telling him to never do it again and doing nothing about the vulnerability that was brought up. And of course, miles better than forcing him to go to the masters and making him hate us.

So yeah, I and probably others thought the vote was the middle ground response between doing nothing about it and being super concerned about the vulnerabilities and potential problems.

It doesn't really feel like that? After all, at no point has Nima actually expressed or felt a desire to leave the Temple, at least, you know, before she becomes a Padawan. The Temple is big and to her mind there's plenty to do and plenty of people to meet. So her deciding, "I'm going to leave the Temple at some point (in the vague future but somehow committed to it now) on random excursions to see Coruscant" doesn't fit all that well?
 
[X] Say that he's free to go, but that he needs to swear not to sneak out again. It's not safe for him, and if he gets in trouble it'll hurt his career, when he's only a year or two from leaving the Temple all the time as a Padawan.


If the write-in doesn't float, then here's another thing I'mma vote for in the interest of picking one of the options taht does work.
 
[X] Say that he's free to go, but that he needs to swear not to sneak out again. It's not safe for him, and if he gets in trouble it'll hurt his career, when he's only a year or two from leaving the Temple all the time as a Padawan.

Reverting to previous vote then.
 
The intention was, I think, that asking him to do that means that he will. Maybe not tonight, but it's not just suggesting it and then never following up. It's a step down from going and reporting him yourself in terms of making sure something happens, of course, but it's not the option you want to vote for if you don't want the authorities to find out.

But it's still entirely his choice. I don't see how that makes us evil in that option.
I don't see it as much different from tagging people who voted for a plan to try and offer a compromise, or etc?



Don't get heated about it though.

And I think as a general principle (although I can't enforce rules or whatever) Don't mass tag more than once in a voting period? Overuse makes it annoying, but once to get people's attention is alright. I just don't want it to get to "Everyone who voted X you're wrong and going to get Nima killed" or something overly dramatic because that'll hurt the mood and maybe voting participation. Asking questions politely would be preferable.
But if one person gets to use mass tagging once, then either a)their argument gets a free unfair advantage, or b)everyone is allowed to use mass tagging once per vote. Thus, It doesn't belong at all IMO.
 
But if one person gets to use mass tagging once, then either a)their argument gets a free unfair advantage, or b)everyone is allowed to use mass tagging once per vote. Thus, It doesn't belong at all IMO.

I was going for once per argument, or something like it. Mass tagging is kind of necessary for more complex voting plans (or you end up with people making changes to plans without consulting their voters, which is messy and rude) and any time you want to create a write in and try to pitch it to people or so on. So I'm loathe to suggest people don't use it, but do be careful and considerate and so on. Normal etiquette applies.

But it's still entirely his choice. I don't see how that makes us evil in that option.

It only makes you evil if you consider Jayne getting punished evil, which is a call you have to make, not me. But it's a vote that leads to him getting punished by Nima's actions, to put it simply.
 
I mean, sometimes mass tagging is defensible because a vote option has a major weakness that had been overlooked, or when an option has effectively lost but a similar one has gained popularity.

Regardless. In this case I think that the Hannah interaction is something that will very much be on Nima's mind, however she decides to act here. My vote is admittedly based mostly on the metaknowledge, and on the interest in character agency, but IC I think it makes perfect sense for her to try and correct for that.
 
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It doesn't really feel like that? After all, at no point has Nima actually expressed or felt a desire to leave the Temple, at least, you know, before she becomes a Padawan. The Temple is big and to her mind there's plenty to do and plenty of people to meet. So her deciding, "I'm going to leave the Temple at some point (in the vague future but somehow committed to it now) on random excursions to see Coruscant" doesn't fit all that well?

Would the write-in be acceptable if the reference to taking trips outside the Temple was removed?
 
[X] Say that he's free to go, but that he needs to swear not to sneak out again. It's not safe for him, and if he gets in trouble it'll hurt his career, when he's only a year or two from leaving the Temple all the time as a Padawan.

Changing vote
 
[x] Ask Jayne to tell the authorities about him. To confess and throw himself on their mercy.
 
[X] Say that he's free to go, but that he needs to swear not to sneak out again. It's not safe for him, and if he gets in trouble it'll hurt his career, when he's only a year or two from leaving the Temple all the time as a Padawan.
 
Would the write-in be acceptable if the reference to taking trips outside the Temple was removed?

Um, hmm, let's see.

As a sub-vote to something else, something like:

[] Ask Jayne if he might want to look for security breaches/exploring the corners of the Temple sometime, with Nima and Wessen.

Something sorta like that would be acceptable, I suppose?
 
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Alright, changing my vote.

[X] Say that he's free to go, but that he needs to swear not to sneak out again. It's not safe for him, and if he gets in trouble it'll hurt his career, when he's only a year or two from leaving the Temple all the time as a Padawan.
-[X] Ask Jayne if he might want to look for security breaches/exploring the corners of the Temple sometime, with Nima and Wessen.​
 
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[X] Say that he's free to go, but that he needs to swear not to sneak out again. It's not safe for him, and if he gets in trouble it'll hurt his career, when he's only a year or two from leaving the Temple all the time as a Padawan.
-[X] Ask Jayne if he might want to look for security breaches/exploring the corners of the Temple sometime, with Nima and Wessen.
 
OK, I am changing my vote:

[X] Say that he's free to go, but that he needs to swear not to sneak out again. It's not safe for him, and if he gets in trouble it'll hurt his career, when he's only a year or two from leaving the Temple all the time as a Padawan.
-[X] Ask Jayne if he might want to look for security breaches/exploring the corners of the Temple sometime, with Nima and Wessen.​
 
[X] Say that he's free to go, but that he needs to swear not to sneak out again. It's not safe for him, and if he gets in trouble it'll hurt his career, when he's only a year or two from leaving the Temple all the time as a Padawan.
-[X] Ask Jayne if he might want to look for security breaches/exploring the corners of the Temple sometime, with Nima and Wessen.
 
[X] Say that he's free to go, but that he needs to swear not to sneak out again. It's not safe for him, and if he gets in trouble it'll hurt his career, when he's only a year or two from leaving the Temple all the time as a Padawan.
-[X] Ask Jayne if he might want tolook for securitybreaches/exploring the corners of the Temple sometime, with Nimaand Wessen.
 
[X] Say that he's free to go, but that he needs to swear not to sneak out again. It's not safe for him, and if he gets in trouble it'll hurt his career, when he's only a year or two from leaving the Temple all the time as a Padawan.

Changing to this to stop the throw Jayne to the mercy of the council vote which is steadily gaining steam as our votes to fight it are all split currently. I really don't want Nima to be a total asshole as that's really the only thing I can see people voting for that option actually want from it, to have Nima just be an asshole.
 
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I think I'll be keeping sub votes with their main vote, if that helps or changes anything. Laurents off so I can't confirm right now.

Vote closes tomorrow at 10 am EST, and there might be some minor delays for the update since projects are due this week for both me and Laur. Hopefully it'll be up this weekend.
 
[X] Say that he's free to go, but that he needs to swear not to sneak out again. It's not safe for him, and if he gets in trouble it'll hurt his career, when he's only a year or two from leaving the Temple all the time as a Padawan.
-[X] Ask Jayne if he might want to look for security breaches/exploring the corners of the Temple sometime, with Nima and Wessen.​

Changing to this to stop the throw Jayne to the mercy of the council vote which is steadily gaining steam as our votes to fight it are all split currently. I really don't want Nima to be a total asshole as that's really the only thing I can see people voting for that option actually want from it, to have Nima just be an asshole.
There's no need to insult those voters because you disagree with them.
 
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