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I'm favoring Journey to the West over Center and Tomb.

Our most important resource right now is time so the additional time needed for Center is a big drawback. Both the Tomb and the Elves are mystery boxes to an extent but with the elves we have slightly better idea of what we want to accomplish. (Broker a peace, Find Hero, Possibly more minions, Get artifacts)
 
I'm also in favour of doing elves (as long as we don't actually try for elven maidens and focus on true goals). Now we're powerful enough to do so with lesser repercussions than before, it is worth doing.
 
You don't think the Elven empire will collapse in just a few months, you should be okay to take the Tomb or Center first and get back to them! Besides, what if the thread gets distracted by pure elven waifus?!
 
[X] Tomb of the Netherine
[X] Vault of the Ur-Pharaoh
-[X] Go Further Beyond

I am noticing a lot of the enthusiasm for the Flesh spell is toward the 10-point version which is understandable but sad- any 10 point option will be amazing, in the case of the Vault so amazing we aren't even allowed to know. To me that screams that a 10 point Vault is probably a true out-of-context power, not just a cultivation stage booster.

As far as the versions of the Flesh spell we can get now, the Elder Beast form is actually tempting for it's cultivation boost but people seem to want to stick to boring Balance form and the benefits of that are very unlikely to outweigh the Vault even short-term.
 
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Also, @Rihaku ,for Palimpsest's Even Further Beyond sample forms, is the Half-Elf 0.5 stage boost factored into their projected combat stage increases?
 
Rihaku said:
You don't think the Elven empire will collapse in just a few months, you should be okay to take the Tomb or Center first and get back to them! Besides, what if the thread gets distracted by pure elven waifus?!
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Ha! You think the focus of this quest is anything other than acquiring elven waifus. How cute.
 
[X] Tomb of the Netherine
[X] Vault of the Ur-Pharaoh
-[X] Go Further Beyond

The whole reason I originally voted to go to Vane was for the ancient dungeons with their secrets of ages past. If we pass up the tomb of the Netherine I will be so very, very disappointed.
 
drake_azathoth said:
I am noticing a lot of the enthusiasm for the Flesh spell is toward the 10-point version. As far as the version we can get now, the Elder Beast form is actually tempting for it's cultivation boost but people seem to want to stick to boring Balance form and the benefits of that are very unlikely to outweigh the Vault.
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Balance form can evolve over time, and even as is it gives a moderate bonus to all physical actions- which stacks with the major increase to physical actions we get from Fated Overlord!

The entire point of putting in a spell in our Liminal Branch is to all but guarantee it reaches EFB at some point. Taking the spell with three-stage combat increase EFB benefits, plus combat skill equalling Suizhen's talent plus Blood Sign synergy is a better choice than a wildcard.
 
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[X] Tomb of the Netherine
[X] Palimpsest of the Nameless One
-[X] Form of Balance
-[X] Go Further Beyond
 
Please don't waste our precious points on 0.5 point combat boost...

Vault offers us cheat levels of Cultivation speed, leaving Elder Puppy in dirt while not saddling us with negative effects.

Yeah, it's EFB is awesome.. but so are other EFB. It's base effects are very underwhelming.

Seriously, FB is 0.5 of combat only boost? Hard pass.
 
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Due to [True Alchemist], your spell of choice will have the Go Beyond effect applied for free. Benefits already included in the descriptions following.

[ ] Vault of the Ur-Pharaoh [Grand Diagram of Space] - What more appropriate Diagram to chart the Alchemist's path than the Vault of the Ur-Pharaoh? Just as the Cultivation stages lead inexorably to the creation of an internal world, so too does the Vault unfold space into a demesne of the caster's liking.
-[ ] Go Further Beyond [2 BPs] - Upgrades the "Sign Augmentation" attribute into the Realm Attribute, allowing for a far broader range of effects. Effects no longer require knowledge of the appropriate Diagram. The Realm's internal time flow can be dilated up to ten times in either direction, but this does not stack with the effects of the Time Sign. All Attributes can now be improved up to Rank 7, but each Attribute above 5 caps another Attribute at 3. Grants four extra Design points.
-[ ] Go Even Further Beyond [9 BPs] - Unknown effect, but Unlocked by choosing this as your [True Alchemist] spell
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Did anyone notice that 'Sign Augmentation' has been upgraded to 'Realm' and this lets us use basically apply any Diagram inside it without even having to know the Diagram? I am frankly unsure how this works but it seems huge.

@Rihaku, how does this work? Could we for example set it to turn dead people we leave inside into obedient zombies without knowing the appropriate spell?
 
[X] Journey to the West

Finalllly elves. Prop up an empire, meet non-assholes, hang out with our lackeys, get clues for dao and hero and stuff. Also bonus for referencing my favorite childhood story. Nothing can convince me otherwise, though realistically I understand journey to the center has some great potential for maintaining our rep and getting cool stuff. I don't like the vane dungeon because we probably won't be taking our lackeys along, and there's a chance we won't get any good treasure.

As for the build vote, I'll wait and see.
 
Wolfy said:
Yeah, it's EFB is awesome.. but so are other EFB. It's base effects are very underwhelming.
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Its EFB is far superior to other EFB we've seen in terms of combat boost. 3 stages comprehensive boost for combat, including speed, strength, durability, etc with the physical combat AI of the Sword and removing Kong's ability to read our mind like an open book. And the significant boost to the Blood Sign.

I really want the EFB, and the Liminal Branch is effectively a guarantee we'll get this EFB.

Vault's FB is also fairly underwhelming anyway, being +4 Design Points for 2 BP and a uncapper from our spell effects.
 
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A few thoughts.

It has been mentioned that EFB Palimpsest allows us to remove Eyes, but if KZ wakes up five years from now and realizes that he can no longer contact us through the eyes, he is immediately going to assume we've turned against him and bust out of his shell.

The Tomb of the Nerevarine sounds like a spot where we can actually adventure to actually face difficult challenges and actually get some decent return on the Deliberation for once.

Lastly, I will soon post once more with that updated character sheet for that sweet BP bonus, but there will also be something of my own in addition.
 
[X] Tomb of the Netherine
[X] Vault of the Ur-Pharaoh

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Part museum, part mausoleum, this relic of a bygone Age was crafted by a species that was ancient when the Diagram was still young. Within are specimens and vestiges from far antiquity, carefully catalogued according to a byzantine logic that resisted even the greatest minds of the Age of Truth. Hidden within its vaults and reliquaries are the secrets of a world endlessly eroded by the Fates, their plaything and theater stage; the secrets of those who have come before.

This most fearsome of Southern Vane's dungeons boasts a horrifying attrition rate even for those masters of the Reality Forming stage that dare venture inside. Whether due to Cultivation-negating arts or elder horrors beyond even their pale, few Cultivators who step foot inside manage to return. After the first Grand Solipsist to venture within failed to return, further Solipsists have avoided the premises, as their lives are too valuable to risk. A single Solipsist can elevate a Clan or Sect to hegemony over hundreds of millions; to squander that power in the pursuit of uncertain rewards is folly. But surely your power would suffice to brush aside even those threats that a Grand Solipsist cannot countenance?

*The tomb moves and is resistant to most methods of tracking. You'll have to spend a Cerebration to locate it.
*Cultivation itself was created from interactions between the magic systems of prior Ages. If you wish to revolutionize your methods of Cultivation, there is no better place to look than the source. However, it could also be a giant waste of time.
*Past survivors have emerged with underwhelming rewards at best. There may not be any Priceless Treasures here at all.
*You are sheltered by Fate and Phylactery, but only the Diagram provides a reliable means of defense against broad forms of esoteric assault. You probably shouldn't bring your Lackeys along.
*Elder Wall, who informed you of the Tomb, says that Banguo visited the dungeon in past centuries. It inspired him to create the Bleak Procession, their rapidly-advancing but fundamentally unstable Dao.
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'Specimens and vestiges from far antiquity'
'Secrets of a world endlessly eroded by the Fates'
'Revolutionize your methods of Cultivation'

If there was ever a place to look for the artifacts/legacy of the murdered Divinities, this is it. That other survivors got bad rewards only heightens the chances that the Dungeon gives the real good stuff based on some condition none of them qualified for. Like, say, having a real chance of taking a swing at the Fates rather than being yet another mortal scrub?

The option even mentions Cultivation-negating Arts - how fortunate then that Cultivation isn't the only system we have access to and that we're immune to Diagram-negating areas should those be present as well.
 
Salty said:
It has been mentioned that EFB Palimpsest allows us to remove Eyes, but if KZ wakes up five years from now and realizes that he can no longer contact us through the eyes, he is immediately going to assume we've turned against him and bust out of his shell.
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If he can read our mind, we're already fucked anyway. Better to remove the obvious weakness instead of letting him know every spell, strategy, power we have which gives him time to prepare to fuck us up.
 
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