Well according to Onyx path forums they said it is being made by a subsidiary not actual WW.
White Wolf's World of Darkness
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Still, if it's in the same setting as V5, I want nothing to do with it.
It was a mistake to continue that awful metaplot.
Also, a new subsidiary is making it because V5 was such a trainwreck that Paradox dissolved White Wolf (and in my opinion, Onyx Path is every bit as bad as Nu-WW, if not worse)
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that was because ww started an international incident in chechnya
the v5 core has been gucci and i think it's been pretty, like, unanimously praised by Basically Everyone
Vito Scaletta
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The V5 core was terrible too in my book, and I'm not sure if it was "unanimously praised by everyone"
IIRC, it already had more of a "Love It or Hate It" response before the Chechnya incident
Those who liked V5 really loved it and those who hated V5 really hated it
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It's good, man, idk what your beef with it is.
ANYWAY
I am... almost interested? I'll keep an eye on it I guess; here's hoping it makes oWolf genuinely good.
ANYWAY
I am... almost interested? I'll keep an eye on it I guess; here's hoping it makes oWolf genuinely good.
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"a supplement written with insufficient oversight fucked the dog and made light of the ongoing purge of LGBT+ people in chechnya while simultaneously antagonizing russia" is not the same as "it was cancelled because it was just So Bad guys, i mean i hated it"
don't like.
wildly misrepresent shit for the sake of your personal grudge man.
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Vito Scaletta
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I hate V5 for several reasons.
1. I don't like the new mechanics, especially the Hunger Dice
2. I really hate the setting changes. Fuck the metaplot
3. The shoehorning in of political agendas (especially in light of how badly Nu-WW made light of a very real ongoing tragedy) and while it's perfectly fine to be influenced by real-world politics, nobody plays an RPG to be preached at
I didn't misrepresent anything. Nowhere did I say that Nu-WW was dissolved because the V5 core was polarizing. It's obvious the Chechnya incident was what caused Paradox to dissolve it.
V5 being a "love it or hate it" game and Nu-WW being dissolved over a tasteless game book are unrelated.
What I said was that V5 had a polarizing reception before the V5 Camarilla supplement made light of the persecutions in Chechnya and screwed the pooch.
Look, I don't like V5 or W5, and I won't be buying it. Simple as that.
MOVING ON...
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TenfoldShields
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contextually the implication is pretty clearly "it was just So Bad you guys". c'mon.
I don't think I'll know how to function if it somehow does.
Vito Scaletta
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I didn't imply anything nor did I intend to. Admittedly, I should have worded things a lot better.
V5 was polarizing and Nu-WW dissolved it because of the controversies over the Chechnya material.
V5 was a trainwreck, and the Chechnya supplement was an even bigger trainwreck that killed Nu-WW.
Sorry if my post was worded poorly.
But I don't like V5 and that's that. I don't like W5 and I won't be buying it.
I am perfectly fine with V20, W20, and New World of Darkness 1E.
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It doesn't even exist yet, man, how do you not like it?
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you know literally nothing about it except the fact that it will eventually exist
you are transparent
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V5 does exist and I don't like it. I won't buy W5 (as of now) because I don't like V5.
Maybe, but I don't like V5, so forgive me if I'm hesitant to spend money on W5.
Until we get more info on W5, I won't be buying it when it comes out.
If more info on W5 comes out in the future that impresses me in a good way, then I might change my mind.
I'm just going to drop the subject. It was a mistake for me to even bring this up in the first place.
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Its kinda weird to see people so strongly against a new RPG edition, coming from the DnD community. Is it because WOD tends to get very inconsistent quality and goes through many different companies compared to DnD?
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Honestly, a lot of it has to do with the fact that Classic World of Darkness has a metaplot that got more pervasively intrusive on players and DMs with every edition (excluding 20th Anniversary Editions, which are designed to be more metaplot-neutral) to the point that V5 changed so much that it didn't even resemble the previous editions of Vampire in either setting or mechanics.
The uproar over New World of Darkness/Chronicles of Darkness is over the fact that it was an entirely different setting from the previous World of Darkness and that was explicitly designed not to have a metaplot and was initially meant to be more friendly to crossovers between splats (although this aspect diminished later on)
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Yes... That's definitely not something I remember seeing in DnD... *cough* 4th Edition *cough*.
Moving back to Vampire, I thought the Hunger Dice looked too fiddly but I never have actually played a session of V5, so I can't say for sure. I did like the God-Machine set of the rules (while not terribly caring for the God Machine itself).
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Vito Scaletta
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True, but D&D 4E was an extreme outlier that radically changed damn near everything and a lot of 4E's bad reception also had to do with the way WOTC handled everything at launch. A lot of their statements and stances regarding the launch of 4E drew a lot of bad PR for the company and the brand.
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At the risk of risking ad-hominem, Paulie's taste been well-known on this thread, so it's not a surprise he didn't like V5, and won't like W5.
For me? I wish they have, like, normal font edition of V5, because it's total PITA to read it as PDF
At the risk of risking ad-hominem, Paulie's taste been well-known on this thread, so it's not a surprise he didn't like V5, and won't like W5.
For me? I wish they have, like, normal font edition of V5, because it's total PITA to read it as PDF
But they were right about pretty much everything. It didn't do well and 5e came along and instantly knocked it out of the park. Meanwhile tons of people still play 3.5 3e and you can even find people asking for 2e games.
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If by "right about everything" you mean "easily the best edition that was unfairly maligned for stupid reasons and then strangled by Hasbro for not making MtG level cash despite being extremely profitable"
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I never thought I'd see someone who actually likes D&D 4E, but here we are.
Seriously though, it's fine if you like 4E.
But it was a polarizing edition at best and a maligned flop at worst, regardless of the reasons for it.
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It wasn't, though. 4e lasted longer than 3e or 3.5, and before WotC overhauled their message boards, we knew there were enough DDI subscribers that 4e was raking in around six million dollars a year, more than a year after its final supplement was published. Maybe WotC wanted more, and Pathfinder's put up some competition even as 4e outsold Pathfinder at least until Essentials, but 'maligned flop' isn't a worst case, it's simply inaccurate. 4e was polarising, yes, but frankly every edition of D&D has been polarising. D&D edition wars have been raging since there was more than one edition to rage about (hey, remember all the gags about people arguing to bring back THAC0 during 3e's life cycle?), that's the nature of the medium. Every edition of D&D has had a different idea of what D&D is, and 4e was no different in that.
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4E was the most polarizing of any edition of D&D though, to the point that WOTC went out of their way to distance themselves from 4E when they made 5E.
Granted, part of it may be the internet simply amplifying the reach of outrage and polarization in ways that the previous edition wars didn't have. Both versions of AD&D predated the internet while 3.0 came out when the internet was still relatively new and not as ubiquitous in the public discourse.
Still, I'm wondering why it's okay to like D&D 4E but it's not okay to take personal horror and the metaplot out of World of Darkness?
Personally, I don't either one is wrong. Even if I dislike D&D 4E myself.
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Imrix
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Ding ding ding. It's always been like this, just louder and faster now.
Oh please Paulie, how many times do we have to go over this? If you want to run old-style trenchcoats and katanas WoD, that's fine and dandy. What works for your table, works for your table. But this thread isn't your table, and most of the posters in this thread think the personal horror angle is one of the best part of WoD, so it's not an atmosphere conducive to ditching that angle, and when you come in here with a habit of staging axe-to-grind episodes like your little diatribe against Kelly Steele a few pages back*, it gets people's hackles up.
This isn't an entire WoD forum, y'know? It's one thread, the conversation is smaller, with its own distinct identity that's largely influenced by the long-standing big names. Whether you realise it or not, y'do kinda come across as, mm, kind of dismissive of and shitting on what the local community likes about the game.
* Which, yes, you handled well in the aftermath, and in general is a habit you've been getting better about. But it still happens every now and then, and you've kind of earned a reputation for yourself.
EDIT: Like, if you posted a thread on the OPP or Edge of Darkness boards or wherever, and prefaced it with something along the lines of, "I'm more of a fan of the trenchcoats and katanas mode of play," you'd probably get a very different reaction, because people who share your interests can continue the conversation, and people who don't can close the tab and go look at other threads, and people who simply must vent their spleens about how trenchcoats and katanas is badwrongfun would be a-holes invading a conversation where they're not wanted.
But this isn't a forum, it's one thread that can only play host to so many topics at once, and so talking trenchcoats and katanas here comes at the expense of discussing the kind of stories that most of the locals are more interested in, so it evokes more of a reaction than merely "meh, not really my thing," y'know?
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