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Deadly Snark said:
So I think the former are better than what you'd find in a vampire game, but the latter are just as bad as the worse of the Vampire society.
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Actually, no, worse probably. Vampires have Humanity to worry about, so beyond a certain point you're going to be a draugyr and vampires, at least, hunt down sufficiently low Humanity vampires - both because they're Masquerade threats, but also because it helps vampires feel like good guys.

notanautomaton said:
Ghouls are slightly more sympathetic because they didn't choose to be Ghouls, and because there's extremely well-funded hunters with government support.
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And how many vampires chose to be vampires? Nowhere do you need consent.

Doubly so if you're a Hollow Mekhet, like Frances Black. Who had her life deliberately ruined by her sire until she was suicidal, killed herself, and then after she had been dead for a few days her sire pulled her out of her coffin and Embraced her.

... of course, considering that she's British she was very lucky (or maybe unlucky) to get a burial rather than a cremation.
 
I've always liked the idea of a vampire that lives in the basement of a suburban house, and just, like, ghouls the parents and blood-bonds the kids, and feeds off of them. Maybe they were a member of the family until they got turned, idk.
 
notanautomaton said:
I've always liked the idea of a vampire that lives in the basement of a suburban house, and just, like, ghouls the parents and blood-bonds the kids, and feeds off of them. Maybe they were a member of the family until they got turned, idk.
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In Damnation City, one of the characters in the chapter fiction is a Nosferatu who's literally trying to keep up her mortal life and keep close to her children and her husband - even if she has to home-school them, and she works as a Nightmare specialist and enforcer for a figure in the city hierarchy.

(Because this is Vampire, this backfired on her. But it was working at least for a few years)
 
EarthScorpion said:
(Because this is Vampire, this backfired on her. But it was working at least for a few years)
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That's pretty much the game line in a nutshell, isn't it. There are tons of relatively healthy arrangements a vampire can find to leave a decent unlife, they just never last.

It's pretty much 'this seemed like a good idea at the time: the game.'
 
Omicron said:
Nobody ever wants to be the vampire accountant. Spreadsheets don't have Vigor!
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Well, that's just a question of competitive advantage there. A vampire accountant has considerably less advantage over a mortal accountant [1] (and may actually be at a disadvantage), while a vampire leg-breaker has a much larger advantage over a mortal.

Therefore in a rational economic society you will see vampires becoming leg-breakers and mortals becoming accountants (and then becoming ghouled).

Hmm. I wonder if you could make an accountant numerological Shadow Cult with a bullshit text about the mystical power of accountancy, which lets them get their own Accountmancy discipline.

[1] We will now see someone pull out an accountant Bloodline from some obscure book I haven't even seen, with an accountancy-based discipline.
 
EarthScorpion said:
Well, that's just a question of competitive advantage there. A vampire accountant has considerably less advantage over a mortal accountant [1] (and may actually be at a disadvantage), while a vampire leg-breaker has a much larger advantage over a mortal.

Therefore in a rational economic society you will see vampires becoming leg-breakers and mortals becoming accountants (and then becoming ghouled).

Hmm. I wonder if you could make an accountant numerological Shadow Cult with a bullshit text about the mystical power of accountancy, which lets them get their own Accountmancy discipline.

[1] We will now see someone pull out an accountant Bloodline from some obscure book I haven't even seen, with an accountancy-based discipline.
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How the hell is a curse that brought us The Count not got super spreadsheet powers?
 
Mutton said:
How the hell is a curse that brought us The Count not got super spreadsheet powers?
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Different vampires.

Ofc in a Mage-based oWoD chronicle I would find it completely legitimate if a Progenitor took science too far in trying to address vampire weaknesses and made a vampire or revenant with Intellectual Potence (+1 success/dot to all Intelligence rolls), incredible levels of sociopathy, immunity to the sun, and crippling seizures when exposed to right angles.
 
MJ12 Commando said:
Different vampires.

Ofc in a Mage-based oWoD chronicle I would find it completely legitimate if a Progenitor took science too far in trying to address vampire weaknesses and made a vampire or revenant with Intellectual Potence (+1 success/dot to all Intelligence rolls), incredible levels of sociopathy, immunity to the sun, and crippling seizures when exposed to right angles.
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Funny as that idea is, Wattspires only functioned at all in the modern world because they had medication preventing the seizures. So depending on whether you allow that, you either have a useless bloodline or an op bloodline with no weakness except sociopathy... Also known as "being a PC" :V
 
Omicron said:
Funny as that idea is, Wattspires only functioned at all in the modern world because they had medication preventing the seizures. So depending on whether you allow that, you either have a useless bloodline or an op bloodline with no weakness except sociopathy... Also known as "being a PC" :V
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Presumably whatever sci-fi antiseizure medications they'd need would have to be sci-fi drugs and therefore Technocracy-produced.

So you're a bloodline that is completely dependent on a drug that you can't create (no awakened avatars, remember) to function at all in modern society that is only produced by a shady conspiracy that considers you subhuman, expendable, and dangerous. I'd say that's a pretty huge disadvantage.

Then some Iterators working on superhuman AI find out you exist and petition to have you set on fire. They were probably right to do it.
 
Specifically they're an extinct prehistoric human subspecies adapted for hunting other human subspecies. They're clinical psychopaths with extremely acute intellect but the way their brain is wired to get that intellectual acuity makes them go into seizures when they see right angles. As a result they died out when humanity started building architecture and they couldn't approach human settlements anymore.

Then in the dystopian future scientists realize they can reactivate their genetic code in autistic children, they develop drugs to counteract the seizures, and make the super-smart psychopathic apex predators CEOs for that sweet bonus percent on the profit margin, and nothing went wrong with that ever.

Peter Watts doesn't think much of humans.
 
Omicron said:
Then in the dystopian future scientists realize they can reactivate their genetic code in autistic children, they develop drugs to counteract the seizures, and make the super-smart psychopathic apex predators CEOs for that sweet bonus percent on the profit margin, and nothing sent wrong with that ever.
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In Echophraxia isn't it revealed that they're not actually CEO's, but kept in cages and used as gurus? Or something like that? And of course they quickly end up running everything, but it's not like they made them CEO's on purpose.
 
EarthScorpion said:
Well, that's just a question of competitive advantage there. A vampire accountant has considerably less advantage over a mortal accountant [1] (and may actually be at a disadvantage), while a vampire leg-breaker has a much larger advantage over a mortal.

Therefore in a rational economic society you will see vampires becoming leg-breakers and mortals becoming accountants (and then becoming ghouled).

Hmm. I wonder if you could make an accountant numerological Shadow Cult with a bullshit text about the mystical power of accountancy, which lets them get their own Accountmancy discipline.

[1] We will now see someone pull out an accountant Bloodline from some obscure book I haven't even seen, with an accountancy-based discipline.
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I actually have this. Sorta?

A member of the Ordo Dracul who has the second Coil of the Ascendent never *needs* to sleep. They still need to spend a Vitae a day, so it's not really a resource advantage, but the Blush of Life lasts 24 hours and as long as you're Blushing you don't get all drowsy. Now, I'd say that fluff-wise you'd probably get a little tired of being literally always on...

But it means that you can accountant 24/7! While other mere mortals sleep and have an actual life, you can stay safe and inside away from the sun with numbers. Forever and ever and ever and ever and ever...

Wait, why are the walls painted in blood with math problems?

Oops.
 
The Laurent said:
Coil of the Ascendent
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There we have the problem!

"Stir the Beast •
Before the Beast can be tamed a Dragon must first know
how to wake it. For a point of Willpower he may enter frenzy
unprompted. When he does so the Dragon selects a target or goal,
no more than a few words, which becomes the objective of his
frenzy. He has no more control over his actions than he would
in an involuntary frenzy (p. 103), and all rolls to escape frenzy
before the stated objective is met are made at a –2 die penalty.
When the original goal is no longer pressing or possible, the
frenzy ends.
Using Stir the Beast is a reflexive action, and it can be used
to avoid involuntary frenzy. "

When your goal is to solve a mathematical problem, everything becomes so much easier!

I have mastered my beast, and through mastering my beast I have mastered math!
 
MJ12 Commando said:
Different vampires.

Ofc in a Mage-based oWoD chronicle I would find it completely legitimate if a Progenitor took science too far in trying to address vampire weaknesses and made a vampire or revenant with Intellectual Potence (+1 success/dot to all Intelligence rolls), incredible levels of sociopathy, immunity to the sun, and crippling seizures when exposed to right angles.
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You just have to wait until it learns to compartmentalize the part that dies of angles in its brain and keeps staring at those crucifixes. What could go wrong, eh?

Omicron said:
Peter Watts doesn't think much of humans.
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IIRC he commented somewhere that his novels do not reflect his views of the real world.
 
The Laurent said:
But it means that you can accountant 24/7! While other mere mortals sleep and have an actual life, you can stay safe and inside away from the sun with numbers. Forever and ever and ever and ever and ever...

Wait, why are the walls painted in blood with math problems?
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Everybody knows that vamps are the best Bookkepeers.

You just hace to remember to isolate their office from the rest of the fortress.

Forever.
 
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The Laurent said:
But it means that you can accountant 24/7! While other mere mortals sleep and have an actual life, you can stay safe and inside away from the sun with numbers. Forever and ever and ever and ever and ever...

Wait, why are the walls painted in blood with math problems?

Oops.
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So.. where is there the difference to a certain kind Math Majors there?

It even includes the binge drinking when you break down sometimes and run out of fuel.
 
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