damn, and I was so happy to get a 100 on my first try there. But seriously i seem to have some problem with getting my verification email from that site:/
damn, and I was so happy to get a 100 on my first try there. But seriously i seem to have some problem with getting my verification email from that site:/
Hi guys! thanks for the rolls! so that's an 85 and an 89 for the Monument to the People. will post the update a little bit later though, got distracted by Pillars of Eternity...
Hi guys! thanks for the rolls! so that's an 85 and an 89 for the Monument to the People. will post the update a little bit later though, got distracted by Pillars of Eternity...
[] Yes, a woman can and should do anything a man can.
[] 4 years, he can run for no more than 2 consecutive terms
[] No, we must trust our People to think of what's right.
- Peasant Revolutionaries from the Southern Coast of Sartosa
"The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all." - Crisostomo Valderama, Inquisitor, Estalia
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The Cornerstone of Democracy
The decision to allow women to vote was met with mixed reactions. Humans on the island both cheered and booed (where no on can report them), the elves on the other hand were pretty much indifferent, While the orks were wondering why that was an important issue to begin with, since most of them cannot comprehend what a gender is. It was the dwarfs though who were the most displeased with this result. They believe that womenfolk are to be protected and sheltered at all costs, and to expose them to something that 'radical' is not only dangerous but irresponsible. Which is strange since these dwarfs are the radical ones in the dwarven kingdoms, hence the reason why they migrated to Sartosa. Blackaxe the Brave, the de facto representative of the dwarven populace promised the other dwarfs to help mitigate this rash decision of the manlings. He lobbied then to the Council for a Dwarven Quarter to be allowed in Sartosa or in the old dwarf-hold (currently populated by the homeless of various races). The dwarves would pay for the building of said quarter and to pay significant additional taxes to the State as well as to obey all the laws and decisions of the lawful representatives of the Republic except of course Women's Suffrage citing racial and cultural differences.
How would the Council decide this offer?
[] Allow the creation of the Dwarven Quarter (Dwarves pay an additional 30 gold per turn)
[] Do not allow it, all the laws are to be enforced equally to all the People (+10 Civil Disorder)
If you allow the Dwarven Quarter, where should it be made?
[] The old Dwarf Hold
[] In Santosa Proper
The issue of the real property of the Pirate-Lords is finally put on the spotlight no thanks to a certain meddling elf. While a majority of the land and houses owned by the former 'nobility' were transferred to their servants and slaves as 'payment for services rendered' or to those who executed them and by claiming 'first' and/or 'to the victor goes the spoils'. Still these people technically have no legal right to own said lands. Adichi the Asur, after inspecting the farmlands outside of Carpio (a major town on southern Sartosa) claims that this supposed land distribution is "unfair to the Proletariat masses who also suffered the depredations of the Bourgeoisie". He questions the reason on why should a small number of citizens control huge acres of land while the majority of the People of Sartosa remain landless. He believes that land is the key to prosperity and it should be distributed equally.
He further argues that the opulent homes of the former masters of Sartosa should be made into public housing instead of being left in the hands of these new 'landed' classes. He also added the fact that for several years now, the two dreaded nights of the year (Geheimnisnacht and Hexensnacht) did not adversely affect the population but Sartosa's luck will not hold forever hence the need for better housing to protect the people. The members of the Council of course raised their eyebrows on this last argument, since if hovels did not offer adequate protection against the Chaos moon, then the Old World, particularly Brettonia (despite their knights), should be crawling with beastmen and mutants by now. Thankfully, Adichi lacks an opinion on what to do with the Pirate-Lords remaining commercial interests like the few warehouses, fishing ships and market stalls so he wants to think more before addressing this problem. Still, the issue of farms and houses has been deemed a priority and is raised before the Council.
How would the Council distribute the Pirate-Lords old houses?
[] Follow Adichi's recommendation (+20 Equalists Approval) (homes)
[] Formalize the ownership of the former servants, slaves, and the victors (+10 Civil Disorder)
How would the Council distribute the Farmlands?
[] Follow Adichi's recommendation (+20 Equalists Approval) (farms)
[] Formalize the ownership of the former servants, slaves, and the victors (+10 Civil Disorder)
Speaking of strange nights, when the previous deliberation continued into the wee hours of the evening and after a short recess was announced, there was a knocking on the door of the meeting hall. Strangely everyone heard this knock even though the room was noisy and quite large. When one of the councilors opened the door, there was no one there and no sign of anyone even coming near the chambers, however there was a note placed on the floor of the room's entrance. When the first councilor read it however, it filled him with such dread that his hair turned white and suddenly feinted. While the message on it was friendly enough, who wrote it though was something to be concerned about. The letter seems to be from those who worshiped the Chaos God Tzeench, and they wanted to worship him openly and legally on the island of Sartosa like some folks do on Cathay and Ind. In the note, they believe that Sartosa would be the haven of religious freedom that they were looking for across the Old World. It also adds that even if the Council rejects them they would just leave and find another place where they can be respected and welcomed, none of their members have any intention of harming Sartosa in anyway, though their god might not handle such rejection readily.
When the Council asked the people from Ind and Cathay if the worship of Tzeench in their lands is truly allowed, the response were not very helpful, these expatriates explained that Ind and Cathay are huge countries with huge populations as well as internally fractured, even if some claim otherwise. These lands have an overabundance of gods, goddesses, and spirit-worship, some of which may likely be aspects of Tzeench. Hence, the Council is on its own here. While the news of the offer hasn't left the Council Chambers, the various councilors decided to ask the People who they worship, the majority of humans see Ranald as their god and saviour (nevermind the violent uprising), the elves on the island do not bother with specific gods, just praying to whomever fits their whim at the moment, the dwarves of course worship their ancestor-spirits equally, while the Sartosan orks believe that worshiping Gork and Mork is through toil and in not catching their attention. Finally, the Council decided to just answer the issue of the letter.
Is Religious Freedom part of the Republic? (can only argue IC here, OOC knowledge will be frowned upon)
[] No, the Council will control who and what can be worshiped
[] Yes, we are not hypocrites here.
-[] However... (write-in your reasoning for the opposition of Tzeench worship, the better it is the higher the chance that Tzeench would just shrug and go away... for a while)
Election day is near and the campaigning begins in earnest! Currently there are two people who are likely to win the election, the dwarf Blackaxe the Brave whose campaign platform revolves around defense, mercantile reforms, and other 'cultural' issues. Defense though is his priority and his primary support comes from the Brick-throwers Party, in honor of Sartosa's bloody uprising. The party, led by an aggressive halfling named Hardim Stubtoe, believes in the maxim "Peace through War" and supports innovations, as well as policies and structures that would improve Sartosa's war-making capability. Opposing Blackaxe though, is that elf scholar and meddler-extraordinaire Adichi Nenil whose primary backer is the Equalists Bloc. His campaign though emphasizes Education, Housing, and the Spread of Propaganda across the Old World. What kind of Propaganda he wishes to spread though he promises to reveal only after being elected. As part of the Republic, the Councilors will avoid unnecessarily influencing the outcome of the election. Still, this is the first election in The Republic's history and everyone is excited to vote, no one abstains.
(Faction Unlocked: The Brick-Thrower Party)
Please Vote:
[] Blackaxe the Brave
[] Adichi Nenil
The streets of Sartosa are clean with open spaces, you can now build/repair structures (1 building per turn)
[] Expand the Harbor (level 2) Costs: 50 gold (+20 gold per turn, unlocks further opportunities, finishes in 3 turns)
[] Build A Market (level 1) Costs: 20 gold (+5 gold per turn, gold earned per turn increases depending state of roads, harbor, trade relations, finishes in 1 turn)
[] Build a Guild Hall (level 1) Costs: 20 gold (Removes 10 Civil Disorder every 5 turns, unlocks opportunities, finishes in 1 turn)
[] Build A Printing Press (level 1) Costs: 10 gold (Allows the spread of Propaganda, finishes in 1 turn)
[] Repair the roads from Sartosa to Carpio. Costs: 50 gold (+20 gold per turn, finishes in 3 turns)
[] Save the money this turn
[] Monument to the People (Cost 271/500)
-A statue dedicated to the pillars of the Revolution, the Common folk.
- Strife roll between the races in Sartosa will be rolled every 10 turns instead of 5. the dice must roll between 76-100 instead of the original 51-100 to trigger a race riot.
Well,I vote against Tzeentch worshipper.Dark God want to enslave or kill us or sacifire our soul to them,that mean technically enslavement and oppose to freemarket.
By killing and burn everyone ,they harm population and potential customer.
[X] Allow the creation of the Dwarven Quarter (Dwarves pay an additional 30 gold per turn)
Verily in all things there must be moderation and understanding of the differences between we who would light the flame of revolution
OOC: Dorfs are stupidly hard to change. Take the money and be done with it
[X] In Santosa Proper
For mutual defense of all we have wrought here it would be best that we remain together.
Are we to replace old Lords with new by right of conquest? Forgive me comrades but was that not how the pirates passed their ill-gotten gains from one another?
[X] Yes, we are not hypocrites here.
-[X] However all men of sense whether they worship the Lady, Sigmar or any of the myriad Gods of Order or Law in the far north there are hordes of Daemons and savages poised to end all that is good in the world. How many times has an Everchosen rissed with the blessing of the Dark Gods to endanger the world? I will leave a definite answer to by compares of the Elder races and answer simply "enough and more than enough times". This will be a place of freedom and not Anarchy and Chaos
[X] Adichi Nenil
As I sported his ideas so will I support he who made them.
[X] Build A Market (level 1) Costs: 20 gold (+5 gold per turn, gold earned per turn increases depending state of roads, harbor, trade relations, finishes in 1 turn)
This island is poor so let trade be our lifeblood.
[X] Do not allow it, all the laws are to be enforced equally to all the People (+10 Civil Disorder)
[X] Follow Adichi's recommendation (+20 Equalists Approval)
[X] Follow Adichi's recommendation (+20 Equalists Approval)
[X] No, the Council will control who and what can be worshiped
[X] Adichi Nenil
[X] Build A Market (level 1) Costs: 20 gold (+5 gold per turn, gold earned per turn increases depending state of roads, harbor, trade relations, finishes in 1 turn)
[X] Monument to the People (Cost 271/500)
[X] Do not allow it, all the laws are to be enforced equally to all the People (+10 Civil Disorder)
[X] Follow Adichi's recommendation (+20 Equalists Approval)
[X] Follow Adichi's recommendation (+20 Equalists Approval)
[X] No, the Council will control who and what can be worshiped
[X] Adichi Nenil
[X] Build A Market (level 1) Costs: 20 gold (+5 gold per turn, gold earned per turn increases depending state of roads, harbor, trade relations, finishes in 1 turn)
[X] Monument to the People (Cost 271/500)
Showing everyone that allowing women equal rights is not going to kill them or cause world destruction will help change the minds that oppose it. It works for the United States, perhaps it will work here.
We need to build up the economy and education, then we can start focusing on building up a strong military/defense force.
also, don't you guys worry if your treasury goes down up to -10 gold, I'll just deduct the +10 that you'll b earning next turn from the Harbor. Also, once you guys build a Bank you can loan/borrow money (with reasonable interests), and your treasury can go down into -50 gold.
edit: also added (homes) and (farms) to Adichi's recommendations to avoid confusion.
Could we allow the dwarf quarter under the condition that if any dwarf woman aren't happy with the state of affairs, they can simply live outside the dwarf quarter?
@TheHappyVampire@veekie ummm guys... you can only pick the location of the Dwarven Quarter if you allow it to be made in the first place. Since you both voted to not allow it, you do not need to pick where it should be built.
Could we allow the dwarf quarter under the condition that if any dwarf woman aren't happy with the state of affairs, they can simply live outside the dwarf quarter?
[X] Do not allow it, all the laws are to be enforced equally to all the People (+10 Civil Disorder)
How would the Council distribute the Pirate-Lords old houses?
[X] Follow Adichi's recommendation (+20 Equalists Approval) (homes)
[X] Follow Adichi's recommendation (+20 Equalists Approval) (farms)
[X] No, the Council will control who and what can be worshiped
[X] Adichi Nenil
[X] Build A Market (level 1) Costs: 20 gold (+5 gold per turn, gold earned per turn increases depending state of roads, harbor, trade relations, finishes in 1 turn)
[X] Monument to the People (Cost 271/500)
Fixed.
Equality for ALL I say, one exception leaves others arguing for exceptions. We are ONE Sartosa, dwarf, elf, orc, ogre, or halfling!
[X] Allow the creation of the Dwarven Quarter (Dwarves pay an additional 30 gold per turn)
"It is understandable that the dwarves may be stuck in their ways, but they may provide valuable money towards the greater changes, thereby fueling their own future advancement. Besides, their females are few in number and less likely to be fighters as we humans."
[X] In Santosa Proper
"But we should not let them just hide underground, they should be as one with the other peoples! Exposure to the proletariat rather than hiding like the enemy class."
"The people must be sheltered from Taal's harshness. We fear not just the Chaos Moon but the storms that could ravage an island such as ours.
And better that the farmland serve us all fairly and justly than be held by the few. We are not the enemy class, we are the people!"
[X] Yes, we are not hypocrites here.
"If any worship should be banned, then Sigmar worship should be banned. He may be a god now, but he was first and foremost a man. A man that established the Empire and it's tyrannical rule. Forcing himself above others, beyond reproach, establishing a system of the many being dominated by the few, the few that are filled with cruelty and intolerance. And despite his hatred of many injust such as the ratmen and the tomb kings, his focus has ever been on his own empire. If we worshiped him here he would turn his back upon us in favor of those rumor mongering tyrants that so harshly oppress their own people that their own heroes and innovators must stand against them!"
[X] Adichi Nenil
"Intelligence, what the people need, homes, where they may lay their head. And spreading the good word of Sartosa and the ideal. He is a elf of rare vision."
[x] Build a market
"We require the trade to flow, that we may gain what we need to fuel Sartosa and keep the people safe!"
[X] Allow the creation of the Dwarven Quarter (Dwarves pay an additional 30 gold per turn)
The New Sartossa will be built on the respect of the opinions and customs of its citizens!Besides who would have thought that there is such a thing as Dwarven women!? Aren't dwarves spawned out of the deep rock of the mountains?
[x] The old Dwarf Hold
It is only right and proper for the Hold that was stolen by the Pirate Lords to be returned to its original owners.Let this be a sign that New Sartossa will aproach the other nations and races with an open hand. May this be the key to opening trade with Barak Varr.
This is the reason for the revolution. Time to break up the Aristos and never allow them to form again. Let there never be a sentient that will be oppressed by the degenerate descendants of men whose only claim to legitimacy and power is the fact that their ancestors were the biggest murdering bastards around.
[X] Yes, we are not hypocrites here.
Look out in the World and see how the clergy of the so called Gods of Order see our honest greviences my friends! Everywhere across every land of the old world the corrupt priests, hopelessly entangled with thebloodsuckers that dare called themselves nobles denounce our cause, seek to crush our newborn hope in the craddle.
Look at Brettonia where the Nobles with the active support of the Lady and her clergy treat the vast majority of their people worse than dirt. Better to be a pig, hell better to be a goat in Brettonia than be a peasant. They toil night and day and what is their reward? Nothing! Dirt and leaves for dinner, grass and roots for supper while their overlords feast in their castles and strongholds. What one of their horses eat would be enough to feed a village and they dare call this just! They murder their children at the slightest sign of magic ability and they dare deride the other religions for their cruelty!
Look at the Empire! The supposed shield of humanity against the Dark Gods. Sigmarites and Ulricans killing each other in the streets, murdering those that dare be different or have even a shred of magic potential. Where crowds of frothing madmen led by annointed priests rob, kill and pillage with impunity, where the so called divinely chosen nobles and Emperors care more for filling theirt bellies than see to the prosperity of their people!
Look closer at home where the so called inquisition tortures, burns and maims those that look to our example and dare ask the simplest of questions. Why? Why should I be subject to the cruelties of the so called nobles? Why should the wealth that I produce with so much toil be squandered on meaningless luxuries when my family starves, when beastmen and worse ravage and pillage at will?Why?
So let New Sartossa be a haven to those that crave freedom and hope! There will be no sacrifices. There will be no daemon summoning. But the Lord of Magic, the Lord of Hope should be able to spread his message and blessings to the people. Let the People decide who to follow and who to worship.
[X] Adichi Nenil
There is some time before the various powers turn their gaze on New Sartossa and the inevitable drive to makes us all slaves again begin. Lets take advantage of this period of Grace and show the world how superior our new Republic is. Let the message go out and hope bloom like a thousand flowers across the land!
[x] Build A Market (level 1) Costs: 20 gold (+5 gold per turn, gold earned per turn increases depending state of roads, harbor, trade relations, finishes in 1 turn)
For too long has Sartossa been the home of slavers and pirates! Let the effort to remove that stain begin here.
How would the Council decide this offer?
[X] Do not allow it, all the laws are to be enforced equally to all the People (+10 Civil Disorder)
We cannot simply let one race get exemptions while the rest have to obey the laws. The law is the law, all should be equal under it. No exceptions.
How would the Council distribute the Pirate-Lords old houses?
[X] Follow Adichi's recommendation (+20 Equalists Approval) (homes)
How would the Council distribute the Farmlands?
[X] Follow Adichi's recommendation (+20 Equalists Approval) (farms)
There is no reason to let a few people once again control the land over many. We are trying to avoid the mistakes of the past, not restart them.
Is Religious Freedom part of the Republic? (can only argue IC here, OOC knowledge will be frowned upon)
[X] Yes, we are not hypocrites here.
-[X] However, we cannot simply let any god be worshipped here, especially as the Empire and Bretonnia would view our allowing the Chaos Gods to be worshipped openly here as a outright excuse to invade and slaughter us all. Remember the Crusade to Araby?
I will speak my mind that religion is the form of human lower ourselves under the gaze of god,I will deny any worshipper of the god,only thing that worth worshipping is freedom of republic.
We will not exchange on tyranny of pirate lord to tyranny of tzeentch.
[X] Allow the creation of the Dwarven Quarter (Dwarves pay an additional 30 gold per turn)
I suppose if they don't like it and entrance is by choice then they can just ignore it (legally because voting is by choice we could just say that in the Dwarf Quarter the women decide to not vote. They could as long as they don't)
[X] In Santosa Proper
They are members of Santosa so they should not be isolated to grow into there own micro-nation
Let's even the fields so that the best can grow there field to larger sizes by the measure of success.
[X] Yes, we are not hypocrites here.
-[X] However Tzeench is indeed the god of hope and change but change is not always good. Changing from liberty to tyranny is a change. Changing back to the old ways is changing. We should have stability in going forward and in liberty.
-[x] Unlike the other gods, Chaos gods sometimes corrupt others who did not want to worship them into worshiping them. How can we espouse liberty, worship such a god that would force others to worship him when they did not want to.
-[x] We also don't want the empire to decide to invade us for allowing chaos cults to spring up naturally. That would be bad.
[X] Adichi Nenil
I would vote for myself (IC), but that would be against the spirit of republics to vote for myself immediately after being in the council. I would rather our head of state not be known by others to be a child killer even if he was pardoned.
[x] Build A Printing Press (level 1) Costs: 10 gold (Allows the spread of Propaganda, finishes in 1 turn)
Let's defend our self in the court of the would. They need to hear what we are from our own mouths and not what are enemies say.
89 is plenty good
