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Shepard Quest Mk V, Base of Operations (ME/MCU)

The problem isn't their growth rate. Really, the genophage does it's job perfectly (only the psychological trauma from miscarriage is an issue)...if Wrex's attempt at reform after the Rebellions had worked, they would be fine.

He was right when he said the Krogan are killing themselves.

Edit - I don't think we should touch the current genophage at all. Later on, once we are more stable we can make a new one (preferably alongside the STG), and implement that along side a cure for the old one once Humanity is on the Council or the Council can be convinced.
 
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Alanek2002 said:
I personally want to modify it so that they can have at most the same population growth as humans. Their numbers are so reduced at this point that It just needs to happen now, if we want a stable increase.

I'd rather do it now, than cure it, and have to re-infect them later with a reduced version.
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We're still the new kid at the table that is the Citadel, so rocking the boat doing this is a bad idea. Maybe once we gain more acceptance and political power.
 
Van Ropen said:
...why would you think that? What exactly is the implication?


He's a perfect Krogan. No genetic defects (bar the genophage which only impacts female fertility), fully formed secondary and tertiary organs (which implies that most Krogan don't have perfectly formed tertiary sets of all of them, superior healing even by Krogan standards, further boosts to all physical stats (probably not unlike the biomod upgrades N7s get access too), ect.

He's no doubt very intelligent for a Krogan as well. He's just young.
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I... Don't know what I was thinking. I knew he was designed to ignore the genophage wholesale. No resistance per se, just pure Krogan stubbornness. I also knew he was larger and stronger than typical Krogan.

Maybe I should lay off the coffee and go to sleep. Our just not post while I'm at work.
 
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I wasn't talking about now, advanced genemod is 7+ years in and by that time we should be a mega-corp with a killer PMC and a small fleet that match the smaller races in fire-power with the alliance rating us as a strategic asset for humanity... Yeah they aren't ever going to give us up and TIM will murder anyone he thinks might try to come after us.
 
I don't care how strong we are - fighting the Citadel is a terrible idea. The Reapers are coming.

Cold as it is, the Krogan aren't that important. The genophage serves a very real purpose. You're right though, it could be kinder, and that is worth looking into when we are more secure, and after they have taken some steps to improve.
 
Van Ropen said:
I don't care how strong we are - fighting the Citadel is a terrible idea. The Reapers are coming.

Cold as it is, the Krogan aren't that important. The genophage serves a very real purpose. You're right though, it could be kinder, and that is worth looking into when we are more secure, and after they have taken some steps to improve.
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Who said anything about fighting the Citadel, I only noted our forces to point out that the Turians/council wont be able to just demand us being turned over without a hell of a fight and they always seem to shy away form fights that wont be a walkover.

Also by this time I think we will be selling quite a lot of our products around Council space so we will be pretty influential and known for our philanthropic nature so that will make it more believable that we are doing it without nefarious motives.
 
Genophage is a bit off.
We haven't even met a Krogan yet.

I'm curious how all this new divergent tech will effect Sovereign.
Might cause him to accelerate plans and take control of the heretic Geth and the Collectors.
 
Problem is, there's no good time to fix the genophage. If we do it too early, it plays right into Sovereign's hands-- it'll pit the Salarians, at least, against the Alliance (as the Krogan will promptly flock to the Alliance banner) and if Sovereign/Harbinger/etc is smart, they'll have Indoctrinated people in place to turn this to their advantage. If we do it at the point the Citadel would actually allow us to do so, as seen in ME3, it'll be too late; the Krogan won't have time to seriously breed up an army to kill the fuck out of some Reapers, and our time would be better spent working on things that can actually hurt Reapers.

Darkcloudt2 said:
Who said anything about fighting the Citadel, I only noted our forces to point out that the Turians/council wont be able to just demand us being turned over without a hell of a fight and they always seem to shy away form fights that wont be a walkover.

Also by this time I think we will be selling quite a lot of our products around Council space so we will be pretty influential and known for our philanthropic nature so that will make it more believable that we are doing it without nefarious motives.
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Don't kid yourself. The Citadel forces were threatened nearly to the point of extinction by the Krogan. They are, in many cases, a literal boogieman. Not to mention that if the Alliance could fix the genophage, it would be child's play for them to find a good Krogan warlord to act as a puppet, and support him militarily while dangling the genophage to pull other Krogan under his banner. The Alliance would instantly gain an extremely capable military asset (until, of course, it blew up onto them). That, at least, is what the Salarians will think... and they're paranoid/stupid enough to act directly without a great deal of provocation in this matter.

We want to keep our hands off the genophage. Improving it (by reducing the horror of it) does very little for us, but could create many enemies for us. Unless we plan on uniting the Krogan and using the improved!genophage to do it, it's not worth our time if we're going to be focusing on beating the Reapers. The primary contribution we can make it building ships that can fuck up actual Reapers seriously, and countering various Reaper advantages (taking control of the Relay network and forcing the Reapers to use their own FTL to move across the galaxy would be one example).
 
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Van Ropen said:
Now that you mention it...that is exactly what happened in the OTL, right? I'm not too clear on that part.
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No. What happened is that the Reapers were unable to activate the Citadel to serve as a gigantic Mass Relay and bring all of them in from Dark Space while simultaneously assuming direct control over the entire network. They still got in, they just used the Alpha Relay to do it.

You can tell because if they'd been restricted to their own drives, it would have taken them over a decade to cross the galaxy. If Revy could lock them out (unlikely, but possible) that buys the Citadel species enough time to build up on an enormous scale and send out thousands of slowboat colonies in case the offensive fails.
 
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Esbilon said:
Crazy Tom said:
On the topic of drive core static accumulation:

If the core simply accumulated a negative static charge, couldn't we just use an electron gun to get rid of it?
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I would think so, but it's never done in canon.
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I don't think it would work. From Project Rho:

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Another problem is one shared by ion drives, the "space charge." If you keep shooting off electron beams you will build up a strong positive charge on your ship. At some point the charge will become strong enough to bend the beam. And the moment your ship tries to dock with another it will be similar to scuffing your shoes on the rug and touching the doorknob. Except instead of a tiny spark it will be a huge arc that will blow all your circuit breakers and spot-weld the ships together.

Don't try to neutralize the charge by firing off positively charged proton beams. John Schilling warns that space is filled with an extremely low-density, but conductive, plasma. You try to eject charge from your ship, and the ship itself becomes part of a current loop. Not only is the current flowing through the hull (or trying to) likely to cause problems, but all those electrons or protons being sucked in produce X-rays on hitting the hull.
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While the situation isn't exactly the same it gives a good reason for why in canon, and here, it's simply not done.
 
Forgothrax said:
No. What happened is that the Reapers were unable to activate the Citadel to serve as a gigantic Mass Relay and bring all of them in from Dark Space while simultaneously assuming direct control over the entire network. They still got in, they just used the Alpha Relay to do it.

You can tell because if they'd been restricted to their own drives, it would have taken them over a decade to cross the galaxy. If Revy could lock them out (unlikely, but possible) that buys the Citadel species enough time to build up on an enormous scale and send out thousands of slowboat colonies in case the offensive fails.
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Not quite. Being denied the Citadel relay, they had to FTL from dark space to the Alpha Relay in the Bahak system(the closest relay in the network to where the Reapers were). Shepard blew up that relay, along with the Bahak system, to deny the Reapers access to the relay. The Reapers then spent 6 months flying via FTL to the next nearest relay. During that time Shepard was grounded and placed under house arrest to keep the Batarians quiet.
 
Carrnage said:
Can't repulsors replace conventional Ion drives anyway?
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It's the FTL drives that cause static buildup in mass effect. Generating a mass effect field creates a static charge as a side effect. It's not enough to bother a Biotic, since it's immediately being grounded out. But the more powerful the field you're creating, the large the static charge that is generated. Something large enough and strong enough to put a ship into FTL generates one hell of a charge.

edit: Besides, Ion drives are only on cheap industrial ships, they just don't give enough thrust. Civilian engines are fusion torches running on Helium-3 and deuterium. And military ships use anti-proton drives according to the codex.
 
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Forgothrax said:
No. What happened is that the Reapers were unable to activate the Citadel to serve as a gigantic Mass Relay and bring all of them in from Dark Space while simultaneously assuming direct control over the entire network. They still got in, they just used the Alpha Relay to do it.

You can tell because if they'd been restricted to their own drives, it would have taken them over a decade to cross the galaxy. If Revy could lock them out (unlikely, but possible) that buys the Citadel species enough time to build up on an enormous scale and send out thousands of slowboat colonies in case the offensive fails.
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Amberion said:
Not quite. Being denied the Citadel relay, they had to FTL from dark space to the Alpha Relay in the Bahak system(the closest relay in the network to where the Reapers were). Shepard blew up that relay, along with the Bahak system, to deny the Reapers access to the relay. The Reapers then spent 6 months flying via FTL to the next nearest relay. During that time Shepard was grounded and placed under house arrest to keep the Batarians quiet.
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Riiight, I remember now. But the Reapers were definitely using the Relays after they arrived - as were the Citadel races. Presumably, their remote access still didn't work, but why didn't they zerg rush the Citadel after leaving the Bahak system? Cutting off travel would have crippled resistance, and is part of their standard protocol anyways.
 
Van Ropen said:
Riiight, I remember now. But the Reapers were definitely using the Relays after they arrived - as were the Citadel races. Presumably, their remote access still didn't work, but why didn't they zerg rush the Citadel after leaving the Bahak system? Cutting off travel would have crippled resistance, and is part of their standard protocol anyways.
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presumably when the council found out about it when harbinger attacked they implemented countermeasures, maybe even set the standard mode for relays to ON so worst case they just destroy the controls and transmitter if the reapers are in danger of capturing it.
 
That doesn't make sense. For one, they don't have the understanding to really manipulate relays - and anyways, they couldn't have done that if the first place the Reapers attacked was the Citadel. The entire invasion force that was sent to Earth and Palaven, sent against the Citadel instead...it would have fallen, and the Relay system would have been under Reaper control.
 
Van Ropen said:
That doesn't make sense. For one, they don't have the understanding to really manipulate relays - and anyways, they couldn't have done that if the first place the Reapers attacked was the Citadel. The entire invasion force that was sent to Earth and Palaven, sent against the Citadel instead...it would have fallen, and the Relay system would have been under Reaper control.
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You are asking why the Giant Synthetics that cleanse the galaxy of sentient life every 50k years in order to prevent Synthetics from killing all sentient life didn't make the logical decision?
 
Van Ropen said:
That doesn't make sense. For one, they don't have the understanding to really manipulate relays
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well they had at least two years to examine it, and building relays isn't completely impossible for asari according to a matriarch.
- and anyways, they couldn't have done that if the first place the Reapers attacked was the Citadel
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The reapers were unable to attack the citadel right away due to being in dark space, and the Alpha relay was destroyed so they couldn't skip the intervening systems.
The entire invasion force that was sent to Earth and Palaven, sent against the Citadel instead...it would have fallen, and the Relay system would have been under Reaper control.
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that's if the Council completely ignored the knowledge that there was a relay control system in the citadel and not investigate it, Which would require an idiot ball.
 
...dude, what?

The Council did ignore Sovereign. That is fact. They might have experimented with the relay control system on the Citadel, sure, but that just means they have move power - they wouldn't have disabled such a powerful tool.

They had to travel away from Bahak the long way, yeah...but they didn't leg it to Earth the long way. They hit Khar'shan first, then took the relays to Earth, plowing through all resistance on the way. Why not just hit Khar'shan (makes sense, grab some husks) and then head straight for the Citadel? Overwhelm it utterly, seize control of the relay system.
 
Sovereign was a 'Geth Dreadnought'. The 'Reapers' don't exist. There is absolutely nothing going on that would cause a panic, anywhere.
 
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