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Shepard Quest Mk V, Base of Operations (ME/MCU)

Actually, bluebox vs software is pretty significant. If the blue box comes under threat of destruction, the AI (and/or it's friends) attempt to defend it, and if they fail, it gets destroyed, and the AI is dead.
In contrast, a pure software AI goes "this platform is likely to suffer catastrophic damage, let's be somewhere else", and could, if necessary, distribute itself to hide out in the extranet.
Among other factors.
Naratively, these result in rather different problems, events, solutions and consiquences.
 
TheEyes said:
The problem is that you're, perhaps accidentally, providing an argument by induction: for every amount X of intelligence that we can create n our AI, we must be able to impart X+C, because that little bit extra is not narratively important enough to justify a tech. Further, we cannot restrict our AI from interacting with the world in increasingly complex ways, because every way that can be thought of is "only software" and therefore is also not narratively important to justify a tech. Therefore, the moment we are able to make any AIs at all, we must be able to make arbitrarily smart, arbitrarily well-connected AIs.
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Not seeing the problem. Esbilon can arbitrarily tell us the capabilities of these AI, and limits can be implemented via narrative vote. Want to throw down some EDI-style locks on behavior and capabilities? Propose it.

That's far better than something so silly as having to research a separate tech to be able to pilot a mech, when a dedicated VI can do that.

Want to see a notable increase in the capabilities of these AI? Explain what functional change is being made, and why this is so revolutionary that it wouldn't be a part of the abstracted AI creation process - that is exactly what Research Heroes are for.
Even if we decide to reject that argument, our AI "tech tree" is going to remain hilariously short, with a grand total of two entries: Blue Box AI and Pure Software AI, although we'll probably have to remove that distinction because it, too, isn't really narratively important when blue boxes are so small that they can fit inside a humanoid mobile frame.
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As Chargone said, the narrative difference between bluebox AI and software AI is huge.

There is nothing wrong with a short tree when it accomplishes everything we want. Stepwise-improvements to the same set of capabilities aren't want we want, and the only place they feature on the tree is with lasers and mechs...which has come under review several times.
 
Chargone said:
Actually, bluebox vs software is pretty significant. If the blue box comes under threat of destruction, the AI (and/or it's friends) attempt to defend it, and if they fail, it gets destroyed, and the AI is dead.
In contrast, a pure software AI goes "this platform is likely to suffer catastrophic damage, let's be somewhere else", and could, if necessary, distribute itself to hide out in the extranet.
Among other factors.
Naratively, these result in rather different problems, events, solutions and consiquences.
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Agreed, and why I only want bluebox AI instead of software AI.

Edit: Nearly ninja'd me Van ropen, But I didn't actually make any of the same points, beyond agreeing with chargone. My ninja title is safe. :p
 
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Esbilon said:
Nope, just lazy, sorry. I dont have a particularly hard time writing, but neither do I feel compelled to write. I will get on it today.
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Speaking of writing, I got started with that Joker omake I was talking about way earlier, but kind of lost my drive and muse for it after the initial burst. I'll try writing more of it soon, but if this Earth visit -arc finishes before I do with my work, I'll drop it and let someone else try if they want to.
 
just got of reading a new fanfic, notably tech heavy and I have a few more ideas for submissions, I will be re-posting my entire tech list (maybe as a tech tree incorporating the other posters ideas)

Chargone said:
Actually, bluebox vs software is pretty significant. If the blue box comes under threat of destruction, the AI (and/or it's friends) attempt to defend it, and if they fail, it gets destroyed, and the AI is dead.
In contrast, a pure software AI goes "this platform is likely to suffer catastrophic damage, let's be somewhere else", and could, if necessary, distribute itself to hide out in the extranet.
Among other factors.
Naratively, these result in rather different problems, events, solutions and consiquences.
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Don't the Geth already do that?

However I think that something we should look into is a networked AI like the Geth, I am speculating here but aren't the Reapers something similar?
 
JhonCollins said:
Don't the Geth already do that?

However I think that something we should look into is a networked AI like the Geth, I am speculating here but aren't the Reapers something similar?
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Yep, the Geth remote upload when platforms are destroyed whenever possible. The wiki/codex seems to imply that they require a bluebox to actually function though:
There is some question of whether geth personalities remain stable over time. When an artificial intelligence is transferred to a new blue box, a completely new personality is created. Geth frequently download into different hardware according to need, from starships to the "mobile platforms" that Shepard is familiar with. It is unknown whether new personalities result from these downloads, or whether it matters to the geth.
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The Reapers...we don't know, besides the fact that they melt people into slushie to make their brains and refer to themselves as "we" even in the singular. Fanon suggests that each Reaper is a single network. *shrug*
 
JhonCollins said:
However I think that something we should look into is a networked AI like the Geth, I am speculating here but aren't the Reapers something similar?
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No, not really. Each one is a separate AI that is in QEC (possibly) with all of the other Reapers, it's why Legion wanted to borrow Reaper Code in ME3, it greatly boosted the processing abilities of every single Geth, allowing them to spread to more platforms.

Contrary to what the Reapers like you to believe, they aren't actually a hive mind made up of thousands/millions of one species, it's just one singular AI in control of cybernetic meat puppet that believes it is.

Screw that. Screw that HARD. There is no way 'disintergating a persons body into gloop atom by atom' is any mode of memory upload.

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Sorry, it's just that their shick lies too close to SEELEs from NGE for my liking.....it bleeds over whenever I come across antagonists that have similar beliefs and whatnot....just because you think that being a hive mind is great and all, doesn't mean it gives you the right to go around 'recuiting' people for it without their consent and makes you the one in charge of it dam-...
 
Tabron89 said:
No, not really. Each one is a separate AI that is in QEC (possibly) with all of the other Reapers, it's why Legion wanted to borrow Reaper Code in ME3, it greatly boosted the processing abilities of every single Geth, allowing them to spread to more platforms.

Contrary to what the Reapers like you to believe, they aren't actually a hive mind made up of thousands/millions of one species, it's just one singular AI in control of cybernetic meat puppet that believes it is.

Screw that. Screw that HARD. There is no way 'disintergating a persons body into gloop atom by atom' is any mode of memory upload.

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Sorry, it's just that their shick lies too close to SEELEs from NGE for my liking.....it bleeds over whenever I come across antagonists that have similar beliefs and whatnot....just because you think that being a hive mind is great and all, doesn't mean it gives you the right to go around 'recuiting' people for it without their consent and makes you the one in charge of it dam-...
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Hrmm... Assassin's creed claims it is so ~ :p

But yeah, not a chance in heck the goop keeps the data.
 
Van Ropen said:
Space MagicTM​, bitches.

Love,
The Reapers
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Nah...it comes from the fact that the catalyst was an AI built by Levis, only for the catalyst to somehow turn on them and turn them into Harbinger.

Seriously, if you weren't concerned about your 'eternal monument' to the race that made you in order to prevent races from destroyed by AI going insane and trying to kill you for it, then you wouldn't need to shove an AI in there and give it stupid name like 'Harbinger'.

So I stand by my point: The Reapers Shepard fights are AIs, not actual people in a hive mind with any form of free will.

So killing them would actually be a mercy killing.

So like I said before: Shank them all in the main firing chamber...or their rear exhaust ports if they have one.

....Sorry....I actually have problems writing my RoE/ME fanfic due to my muse slipping into 'Shinji goes into a hate-fueled rage over the Reapers hypocrisy and kills most of theml by tossing gas giants at them and doesn't know why because he has forgotten what happened over a hundred years ago'....

Some of you are probably going to ask "why gas giants?"...Well it's not really a Gainax fanfic without someone crushing their enemy with a gas giant...or a galaxy, but the universe of NGE doesn't take too kindly to beings that casually toss around that kind of power without some sort of back up plan...
 
Revy's mom might disagree with being absorbed into a god machine(eva) then encased in Mark Roflpwnt.2 armor.

Then again, she might not.. witch brings all its own problems.
 
How long until we can do XCOM surgery on the Reapers, with no anesthesia.
 
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