Shepard Quest Mk V, Base of Operations (ME/MCU)

Probably a lot of stuff will be copied or adapted from asari society in-game. Which will strengthen our ties with them, politically speaking.

Spreading this out to other races shouldn't even take a full quarter of research.

I tried to use your spreadsheet but honestly didn't like the layout enough to put the effort into uploading it.

Added your plan next to Ropen's. Is there a reason you put the first overflow into FRM instead of optical computers? It's close enough that with a few omakes we could get optical done in '74-Q1 if we put '73-Q4 overflow into it.

BTW - only major differences between your plan and Ropen's plan (that I can see) is that Ropen gets optical computing a few turns earlier, and gets 3 suit techs (Suit Mk II, Suit Mk III, and Re-entry Shroud) to your CASIE and Black Fucking Gun. You also get Mk II reactors a lot later, which isn't a huge deal,

Everything else is just changing the order of the stuff that will go into the finished frigates.

Yeah, which could lead also to a calcification against new ideas. But could "you have filled your maximum terms for the next hundred years, but they will reset afterwards" work? You get rotation, with both the new blood and the experienced ones mixed in.

I think it'd be more like "once you've served as an elected official in any capacity for X years, you need to take 5-10 years off." Long enough to break the incumbent choke hold, but short enough that contacts and political leverage would still exist.

Being out of touch is one of the major problems that we have even now with long serving politicians, who haven't worked anywhere outside politics for so long that they don't really understand how the rest of the world works anymore. They wind up being really vulnerable to lobbying and misinformation, instead of making rational and informed decisions. You frequently hear about this when politicians make stupid gaffs in how they talk about modern subjects, or how much presenters have to dumb stuff down for the politicians ("series of tubes").

I agree that having incredible politicians serve long times isn't a bad thing. What is a bad thing is when a mediocre candidate is never even contested or replaced due to incumbency and party loyalty.
 
They wouldn't even fact check what she suggested. None of them.

Would you take a paper written by an 18 year old just out of high school saying that the Pyramids were built by aliens? With nothing more then some very circumstantial evidence? Because what Liara proposed was on that same of level of out thereness.

And then there's the whole issue with the alpha relay if I remember right.

What issue was that?
 
Would you take a paper written by an 18 year old just out of high school saying that the Pyramids were built by aliens? With nothing more then some very circumstantial evidence? Because what Liara proposed was on that same of level of out thereness.



What issue was that?
It would depend on what the eighteen year old put into it and what kind of history they had. When the guy proposed the world wasn't flat it was on that same level of out thereness for his time. Just because it's out there doesn't mean you shouldn't check. Especially coming from someone like Liara who doesn't have a history of that stuff. If she had a history of making out there theories that have been proven incorrect then yeah not taking it seriously is understandable.

A human some how proved it was older then the prothemans. I believe it was met with disbelief.
 
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So? She had enough that it warranted looking into even if it was a side project. Because if cycle of extinction was going on like she suggested then whoever or whatever was doing it would have to be smart enough to cover their tracks. Stuff like that doesn't happen on coincidence. There should have been some survivors out there somewhere in the galaxy.
You think nobody, in thousands of years, tried looking into what happened to the Protheans? Really?

Liara was proposing a systematic, engineered removal of the Protheans and previous species with no actual evidence to back it up. That is hard to believe coming from a 16 year old with a rich Mommy.

As for the Relays - how long ago was that determined? Meeting something with skepticism is the duty of scientists until they can repeat the findings.
 
You think nobody, in thousands of years, tried looking into what happened to the Protheans? Really?

Liara was proposing a systematic, engineered removal of the Protheans and previous species with no actual evidence to back it up. That is hard to believe coming from a 16 year old with a rich Mommy.

As for the Relays - how long ago was that determined? Meeting something with skepticism is the duty of scientists until they can repeat the findings.
Oh it had back up in the whole mass relays are older than the protheans that the the Asari did themselves and discounted it on a lack of evidence of civilizations older then the protheans. Liara's theory would have had support in that theory. It says it right here in this article and tells you everything the you really need to know about the Asari and their society. They refused to consider the possibility even through they mentions of an older space-faring civilization that went extinct by the protheans.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Ce..._Paper_Suggests_Mass_Relays_Predate_Protheans
 
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You think nobody, in thousands of years, tried looking into what happened to the Protheans? Really?

Liara was proposing a systematic, engineered removal of the Protheans and previous species with no actual evidence to back it up. That is hard to believe coming from a 16 year old with a rich Mommy.

As for the Relays - how long ago was that determined? Meeting something with skepticism is the duty of scientists until they can repeat the findings.
Bioware could have given a few red herring conspiracy theory -quest that would turn out to be dead ends to give some degree of objective viewpoint on this. But that wouldn't have been any fun, so yeah, conspiracy theorist is always right in the fiction if he or she is not obviously crazy. And even then there is that 50/50 chance that he or she has just gone mad from the revelation or something.
 
Bioware could have given a few red herring conspiracy theory -quest that would turn out to be dead ends to give some degree of objective viewpoint on this. But that wouldn't have been any fun, so yeah, conspiracy theorist is always right in the fiction if he or she is not obviously crazy. And even then there is that 50/50 chance that he or she has just gone mad from the revelation or something.
It's even worse considering they the Asari had the same theory the people who investigated the Alpha relay did and discredited do to lack of civilizations older then the Protheans. Even through they have found records among the protheans artifacts and beacons containing info of one.

Hell look at the very first race mentioned on this wikipage.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Background_Races

That coupled with other space-faring race before the protheans that Liara knew about should tell you everything. Along with that huge ass fucking gun that killed a reaper. She had proof. No one wanted to believe it.
 
Oh it had back up in the whole mass relays are older than the protheans that the the Asari did themselves and discounted it on a lack of evidence of civilizations older then the protheans. Liara's theory would have had support in that theory. It says it right here in this article and tells you everything the you really need to know about the Asari and their society. They refused to consider the possibility even through they mentions of an older space-faring civilization that went extinct by the protheans.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Ce..._Paper_Suggests_Mass_Relays_Predate_Protheans
Yeah, and they are right. There is no evidence that the Inusannon had a galactic civilization capable of making Mass Effect Relays across the galaxy.

What is the rational thing to do? Propose that there is a systematic cyclical destruction of galactic empires, or think your methodology is flawed and return to the drawing board?

Besides. You are totally out of line on drawing conclusions of Asari society from that attitude - you see it Human scientists all the time.
 
The Asari actively squash any tech advancement they can. Witch turns out to be most. It's not the hole race, just that leading cast that with the hidden beacon.

Why little sheps glowing awesome surprised them so badly. On that part.. more scene's about that pov would be kinda epic.
 
The Asari actively squash any tech advancement they can. Witch turns out to be most. It's not the hole race, just that leading cast that with the hidden beacon.

Why little sheps glowing awesome surprised them so badly. On that part.. more scene's about that pov would be kinda epic.
When is it suggested they squash technological development? They cheat, spurring their own development forward - that is not the same thing.
 
Yeah, and they are right. There is no evidence that the Inusannon had a galactic civilization capable of making Mass Effect Relays across the galaxy.

What is the rational thing to do? Propose that there is a systematic cyclical destruction of galactic empires, or think your methodology is flawed and return to the drawing board?

Besides. You are totally out of line on drawing conclusions of Asari society from that attitude - you see it Human scientists all the time.
And I found even more proof in an even older race. That combined with theory and test they did to determine a mass relays age shows us enough about the people in charge and how modeling a human civilization with eternal youth treatment is a terrible idea. This is even discounting the big ass gun that was apparently known about before sovereign attacked and several other things. If Cerberus could have found out where it shot at so could the asari and the citadel.
 
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Didn't one Asari Matriarch suggest that they start building mass relays so that they could stay on top of the technological ladder, but in her own words "Had the blue laughed off my ass"?
 
And I found even more proof in an even older race. That combined with theory and test they did to determine a mass relays age shows us enough about the people in charge.
...look, nobody is debating the existence of pre-Prothean races. They are debating the existence of a galactic empire capable of building the mass relays and then disappearing totally.

Also, these are scientists. Not the people in charge.

Didn't one Asari Matriarch suggest that they start building mass relays so that they could stay on top of the technological ladder, but in her own words "Had the blue laughed off my ass"?
Yep. Just like any other government would have done.
 
Added your plan next to Ropen's. Is there a reason you put the first overflow into FRM instead of optical computers? It's close enough that with a few omakes we could get optical done in '74-Q1 if we put '73-Q4 overflow into it.

That's a mistake. Optical Computing shouldn't be in 74-Q1 at all. During 74-Q1 we will be having vulnerable miscommunication between our Lab I on Elysium and our labs on Mindoir. We shouldn't be researching anything valuable there.

I'll have to update it but it should be QEC and FRM only there.

BTW - only major differences between your plan and Ropen's plan (that I can see) is that Ropen gets optical computing a few turns earlier, and gets 3 suit techs (Suit Mk II, Suit Mk III, and Re-entry Shroud) to your CASIE and Black Fucking Gun. You also get Mk II reactors a lot later, which isn't a huge deal,

Re-entry shroud isn't on there because it's useless, as I showed earlier, the Mk II will be slotted here and there with omake bonuses, and frankly I really don't see hte need for the Mk III anytime soon.

I think it'd be more like "once you've served as an elected official in any capacity for X years, you need to take 5-10 years off." Long enough to break the incumbent choke hold, but short enough that contacts and political leverage would still exist.

We already have politicians serving longer then that though. Britan's longest serving PM was for 21 years and they have plenty of PMs who held such a role for around a decade. Two recent ones would be Tony Blair (10 years) and Margaret Thatcher (11 years). Then of course there are Australia's two longest serving PMs Robert Menzies (16 consec 18 total) and John Howard (11 years)

Sorry thought you were saying politicians should be limited to 5 to 10 years. I still think simply letting people decide when and how a politician needs to be removed from officer is better then arbitrary limits.
Being out of touch is one of the major problems that we have even now with long serving politicians, who haven't worked anywhere outside politics for so long that they don't really understand how the rest of the world works anymore. They wind up being really vulnerable to lobbying and misinformation, instead of making rational and informed decisions. You frequently hear about this when politicians make stupid gaffs in how they talk about modern subjects, or how much presenters have to dumb stuff down for the politicians ("series of tubes").

Actually I've only ever heard that sort of stuff out of American politicians. I can't think of an Australian example.

I agree that having incredible politicians serve long times isn't a bad thing. What is a bad thing is when a mediocre candidate is never even contested or replaced due to incumbency and party loyalty.

That's a flaw in the system that, hopefully, has been fixed by the time of the game.

Besides there is another factor to consider. With increased lifespan people will become bored.

Odds are you'll see a lot of people entering politics after retiring from working for 80 odd years. They'll have a nice nest egg and probably be interested in the local community, for the same reason you have a lot of aged voters in America.

With indefinite life spans politics no longer becomes the sort of thing you have to dedicate your whole life to. Instead it's something you can pick up as a hobby.

It would depend on what the eighteen year old put into it and what kind of history they had.

Spoiled rich kid with no history.
Just because it's out there doesn't mean you shouldn't check. Especially coming from someone like Liara who doesn't have a history of that stuff. If she had a history of making out there theories that have been proven incorrect then yeah not taking it seriously is understandable.

No she has a history of nothing.

A quick glance over her paper to see that she has no actual evidence, just conjecture, and a look over her background and it's obvious she's just a spoiled brat who thinks she's the best thing since sliced bread so her half baked theory has to be right.

Take that and combine it with pride and arrogance and it's easy to see why any scientific community would dismiss her as a joke.

In fact this is basically what happened to Daniel Jackson in Stargate.
 
...look, nobody is debating the existence of pre-Prothean races. They are debating the existence of a galactic empire capable of building the mass relays and then disappearing totally.

Also, these are scientists. Not the people in charge.
The have evidence of several pre-prothean races. Including one that built a big ass gun to shoot at something and another that had orbital bombardment done to their home planet that was spread across several civilizations. A cycle of systematic extinction would explain what happened quite nicely. And has enough evidence to actually look into it.
 
Yep, as Uber has noted, my plan is out of date - I stopped updating once he went to the trouble of assigning all the actual dice. That said, they follow the same basic patter and have the same endgoal, so there is no point in comparing them.
 
That's a mistake. Optical Computing shouldn't be in 74-Q1 at all. During 74-Q1 we will be having vulnerable miscommunication between our Lab I on Elysium and our labs on Mindoir. We shouldn't be researching anything valuable there.

I'll have to update it but it should be QEC and FRM only there.



Re-entry shroud isn't on there because it's useless, as I showed earlier, the Mk II will be slotted here and there with omake bonuses, and frankly I really don't see hte need for the Mk III anytime soon.



We already have politicians serving longer then that though. Britan's longest serving PM was for 21 years and they have plenty of PMs who held such a role for around a decade. Two recent ones would be Tony Blair (10 years) and Margaret Thatcher (11 years). Then of course there are Australia's two longest serving PMs Robert Menzies (16 consec 18 total) and John Howard (11 years)

Sorry thought you were saying politicians should be limited to 5 to 10 years. I still think simply letting people decide when and how a politician needs to be removed from officer is better then arbitrary limits.


Actually I've only ever heard that sort of stuff out of American politicians. I can't think of an Australian example.



That's a flaw in the system that, hopefully, has been fixed by the time of the game.

Besides there is another factor to consider. With increased lifespan people will become bored.

Odds are you'll see a lot of people entering politics after retiring from working for 80 odd years. They'll have a nice nest egg and probably be interested in the local community, for the same reason you have a lot of aged voters in America.

With indefinite life spans politics no longer becomes the sort of thing you have to dedicate your whole life to. Instead it's something you can pick up as a hobby.



Spoiled rich kid with no history.


No she has a history of nothing.

A quick glance over her paper to see that she has no actual evidence, just conjecture, and a look over her background and it's obvious she's just a spoiled brat who thinks she's the best thing since sliced bread so her half baked theory has to be right.

Take that and combine it with pride and arrogance and it's easy to see why any scientific community would dismiss her as a joke.

In fact this is basically what happened to Daniel Jackson in Stargate.
She may not have evidence but there was plenty out there that they knew about. Background checks are things along with her schooling history. People who taught her and knew her are fully capable of conforming or denying if she makes theories like that out there all the time.
 
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...look, nobody is debating the existence of pre-Prothean races. They are debating the existence of a galactic empire capable of building the mass relays and then disappearing totally.

Also, these are scientists. Not the people in charge.


Yep. Just like any other government would have done.
Why? I mean, even she said that she knew that it would be expensive, but that was in canon, and the humanity did end up causing enough innovations that they became a council member race, and get a human SPECTRE in the same year. Here? I can easily see the Asari becoming technologically surpassed in, oh, a decade at least.
 
The have evidence of several pre-prothean races. Including one that built a big ass gun to shoot at something and another that had orbital bombardment done to their home planet that was spread across several civilizations. A cycle of systematic extinction would explain what happened quite nicely. And has enough evidence to actually look into it.
The cycle of systematic extinction runs into the Occam's razor. The simpler explanation (that there were wars in space) is the better one. You know the right answer. They don't. It's not an obvious answer at all. And Liara didn't have much, if any, real proof.
 
The cycle of systematic extinction runs into the Occam's razor. The simpler explanation (that there were wars in space) is the better one. You know the right answer. They don't. It's not an obvious answer at all. And Liara didn't have much, if any, real proof.

Pity it never occurred for any of the Asari to check that beacon of theirs to find out if her theory had any validity.

Actually, how is it even possible that the Asari don't know about the reapers?
 
The have evidence of several pre-prothean races. Including one that built a big ass gun to shoot at something and another that had orbital bombardment done to their home planet that was spread across several civilizations. A cycle of systematic extinction would explain what happened quite nicely. And has enough evidence to actually look into it.
*cough* Let me emphasize this.

NOBODY IS CONTESTING THE EXISTENCE OF PRE-PROTHEAN RACES. The fucking Codex, effectively a public encyclopedia, has mention of them.

They are contesting that any of these races had a galactic empire and the technology to build the Relays. Which, for the record, none of the had.

Guess who did? The Protheans.

There is no evidence of an extinction. It is tin foil bullshit - how do you go about proving it anyways?

Why? I mean, even she said that she knew that it would be expensive, but that was in canon, and the humanity did end up causing enough innovations that they became a council member race, and get a human SPECTRE in the same year. Here? I can easily see the Asari becoming technologically surpassed in, oh, a decade at least.
Money. Have a Senator suggest we supplement every highway in America with a magrail and see what happens to them.

We already know the Asari have started mining the Prothean beacon much harder than before, exactly what they should have done.
 
The cycle of systematic extinction runs into the Occam's razor. The simpler explanation (that there were wars in space) is the better one. You know the right answer. They don't. It's not an obvious answer at all. And Liara didn't have much, if any, real proof.
Space is big. Big enough that some thing managing to wipe out a civilization is damn right impossible unless something was doing it. There should have been more evidence of the civilizations out there then there was especially if they we're wiped out by a war. Heck the lack of evidence is concerning enough. Deber fields and whatever. I remember what was on the other side of the omega relay. There were ships hundreds of thousands years old on the other side.
 
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Pity it never occurred for any of the Asari to check that beacon of theirs to find out if her theory had any validity.

Actually, how is it even possible that the Asari don't know about the reapers?
Honestly, the biggest plothole in Mass Effect. We can only assume it is a function of the beacon having no index, and the mentions of the Reapers were never accidentally uncovered.
...despite how much that boggles.
 
Space is big. Big enough that some thing managing to wipe out a civilization is damn right impossible unless something was doing it. There should have been more evidence of the civilizations out there then there was. Heck the lack of evidence is concerning enough. Deber fields and whatever. I remember what was on the other side of the omega relay.
You and the rest of the galaxy. We know there are plenty of ruins scattered across the galaxy, they are searching them as fast as possible anyways in the search for tech.
 
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