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Final Fantasy XIV: Dawntrail
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The_Reptile_
Jolly Good
- Location
- THE PITS OF HELL. Also known as Connecticut.
I think Sahagin in particular are referred to as 'wetbacks' which for some reason sounds way, way scummier than the usual in universe slurs applied to the specific tribes.
- Location
- California
Encyclopedia Eorzea II has a good section on it, I'll paste it.
Encyclopedia Eorzea II - Undefining Beastmen: "Beastman - a most common term in the modern Eorzean lexicon, yet one that proves nigh impossible to define. Why have we as Eorzeans chosen to brand a select few of Hydaelyn's children with an epithet that serves only to demean? What is gained by drawing this line betwixt a hypothetical 'us' and a 'them?' Does not this line merely serve to separate us further? To foster confusion and hate by veiling our eyes to the truth - the truth that these men we call beasts are no more beasts than we?
What exactly is it then that separates man from beastman? It cannot, for one, be the capacity for language, for those who make up these so-called 'beast tribes' have also undeniably classified as spoken - the sylphs and goblins having gone so far as adopting our own Eorzean as their preferred means of parlance. It cannot be culture, for as we have explored in these very publications, the beliefs and customs of these peoples are as rich as they are diverse, and as complex as any of those seen amongst the 'five races' (a similarly questionable term in its own right suggesting that Hyur, Lalafell, Elezen, Miqo'te, and Roegadyn are somehow above the Garleans, the Au Ra, the Bangaa, the Seeq, or the other myriad spoken races that call Hydaelyn home). Many of the realm's most notable inventions prove the answer does not lie in a lack of skill or intelligence - the sprawling kobold forges and refineries of Vylbrand, Ixali dirigibles predating the realm's earliest airships, the goblins' colossal walking fortress, all of these arguably equal to or rivaling creations attributed to that small slice of civilization known as 'mankind.' Just as the answer does not lie in fairness of feature, for if it did, then who could say that the leonine Miqo'te are not beasts, or that the horns of an Au Ra make them more dragon than man? Or that a Roegadyn is but a gigas of diminutive stature? No. There exist no distinctly plausible linguistic, anthropological, or biological variances that might warrant a separate classification. Yet, one exists, and the poison of its twisted logic, conceived for the political and economic benefit of a select few, has permeated modern society, breeding animosity where there ought be none.
In the 1559th year of the Sixth Astral Era, the sultanate of Ul'dah, under heavy influence by the Syndicate, officially coined the term 'beast tribe,' using it to describe those 'foreign' entities whose interests directly oppose or interfere with those of the city-state. Amalj'aa were declared enemies of the people for opposing expansionist policies that saw the tribe's traditional homeland divided up by mining concerns. Citing the protection of 'local interests,' evictions were issued for Qiqirn, goblin, and sylph traders, and all dealings with the victims of circumstance strictly prohibited. The Syndicate had swiftly and effectively sown a national distrust in entire races so as to create a diversion that they may profit in the confusion - a distrust that remains to this day, and has become accepted amongst even our most educated. Yet, as stated above, if there truly is naught that separates our peoples beyond a term born of convenience and fostered in self-serving sanctimony, then does that not make us beasts for insisting that these, our brothers, are in some way beneath us? Are we Eorzeans so insecure that we must continue this practice which historians will almost certainly look back upon with both disgust and disbelief?"
Encyclopedia Eorzea II - Undefining Beastmen: "Beastman - a most common term in the modern Eorzean lexicon, yet one that proves nigh impossible to define. Why have we as Eorzeans chosen to brand a select few of Hydaelyn's children with an epithet that serves only to demean? What is gained by drawing this line betwixt a hypothetical 'us' and a 'them?' Does not this line merely serve to separate us further? To foster confusion and hate by veiling our eyes to the truth - the truth that these men we call beasts are no more beasts than we?
What exactly is it then that separates man from beastman? It cannot, for one, be the capacity for language, for those who make up these so-called 'beast tribes' have also undeniably classified as spoken - the sylphs and goblins having gone so far as adopting our own Eorzean as their preferred means of parlance. It cannot be culture, for as we have explored in these very publications, the beliefs and customs of these peoples are as rich as they are diverse, and as complex as any of those seen amongst the 'five races' (a similarly questionable term in its own right suggesting that Hyur, Lalafell, Elezen, Miqo'te, and Roegadyn are somehow above the Garleans, the Au Ra, the Bangaa, the Seeq, or the other myriad spoken races that call Hydaelyn home). Many of the realm's most notable inventions prove the answer does not lie in a lack of skill or intelligence - the sprawling kobold forges and refineries of Vylbrand, Ixali dirigibles predating the realm's earliest airships, the goblins' colossal walking fortress, all of these arguably equal to or rivaling creations attributed to that small slice of civilization known as 'mankind.' Just as the answer does not lie in fairness of feature, for if it did, then who could say that the leonine Miqo'te are not beasts, or that the horns of an Au Ra make them more dragon than man? Or that a Roegadyn is but a gigas of diminutive stature? No. There exist no distinctly plausible linguistic, anthropological, or biological variances that might warrant a separate classification. Yet, one exists, and the poison of its twisted logic, conceived for the political and economic benefit of a select few, has permeated modern society, breeding animosity where there ought be none.
In the 1559th year of the Sixth Astral Era, the sultanate of Ul'dah, under heavy influence by the Syndicate, officially coined the term 'beast tribe,' using it to describe those 'foreign' entities whose interests directly oppose or interfere with those of the city-state. Amalj'aa were declared enemies of the people for opposing expansionist policies that saw the tribe's traditional homeland divided up by mining concerns. Citing the protection of 'local interests,' evictions were issued for Qiqirn, goblin, and sylph traders, and all dealings with the victims of circumstance strictly prohibited. The Syndicate had swiftly and effectively sown a national distrust in entire races so as to create a diversion that they may profit in the confusion - a distrust that remains to this day, and has become accepted amongst even our most educated. Yet, as stated above, if there truly is naught that separates our peoples beyond a term born of convenience and fostered in self-serving sanctimony, then does that not make us beasts for insisting that these, our brothers, are in some way beneath us? Are we Eorzeans so insecure that we must continue this practice which historians will almost certainly look back upon with both disgust and disbelief?"
21stCentury
Let's get down to bismuth
- Location
- Canada
- Pronouns
- They/Them
No, i mean "fishback", which is used specifically for Sahagin.
It's perhaps too close to an actual slur for comfort.
That's the slur used in the real world for mexicans specifically and sometime latin americans as a whole, by Americans.
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- Location
- California
There is a war being waged in my mind right now over staying RDM or going VPR when it comes out. It's gonna all come down to how it plays, because the aesthetic and concept of the new job has won me really hard. Never thought something would dethrone my love of Red Mage, but we might be here at last.
Also, Meteor is now illegally hot.
Also, Meteor is now illegally hot.
The_Reptile_
Jolly Good
- Location
- THE PITS OF HELL. Also known as Connecticut.
We get to Zidane properly now, it seems.
A bit more from the fanfest:
View: https://youtu.be/s-t3tj_lJWg?si=hC-iCvBNjwAFjhoZ
First glimpse of the FF16 event and reveal that you can get Torgal as a mount
View: https://youtu.be/RBClG1JJmTw?si=PRsEoqJ0RLr-uP6_
The Fall Guys collab and it is a full on transposition of Fall Guys into the Gold Saucer, not just a Leap of Faith reskin.
And the big reveal: Dawntrail's Alliance Raid. Echos of Vana'Diel. A completely original Final Fantasy 11 story to celebrate the 20th anniversary of 14's spiritual predecessor
View: https://youtu.be/s-t3tj_lJWg?si=hC-iCvBNjwAFjhoZ
First glimpse of the FF16 event and reveal that you can get Torgal as a mount
View: https://youtu.be/RBClG1JJmTw?si=PRsEoqJ0RLr-uP6_
The Fall Guys collab and it is a full on transposition of Fall Guys into the Gold Saucer, not just a Leap of Faith reskin.
And the big reveal: Dawntrail's Alliance Raid. Echos of Vana'Diel. A completely original Final Fantasy 11 story to celebrate the 20th anniversary of 14's spiritual predecessor
Zap Rowsdower
Ex-cultist vagrant
- Location
- Bright lights, big city
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Pity that DPS has no use for aggro-drawing or dropping skills. Zidane literally had abilities named "annoy" and "what's that" which would have been perfect as names for an aggro draw and aggro reduction skill respectively. They'll definitely be using Stellar Circle 5, Solution 9, and Grand Lethal for the every-two-minutes burst window skills, though, probably Stellar Circle 5 for the AoE version, Solution 9 for the single-target, and Grand Lethal for both.
WanderingEye
smol skeleton
As per yesterday people found out that Susan Calloway, singer of Answers, Dragonsong and Revolutions has been liking transphobic and racist tweets back since the start of this year.
She had since claimed she was hacked and deleted her account
Kupocon who invited her as a guest has cancelled her invitation.
She had since claimed she was hacked and deleted her account
Kupocon who invited her as a guest has cancelled her invitation.
Kuja
I'M A SQUIIIID
- Location
- AZ
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I still can't believe Yoshi P came to my house personally and said "remember that catboy you made back in 2.x to try out rogue and you abandoned him because you weren't a big fan of the ninja stuff? I bet forty bucks you're gonna bring him back."
There's a good reason ARR rolls credits at the end of 2.0 - they didn't know for sure they were gonna get the patch cycle out.
A Realm Reborn was videogames' ultimate hail mary pass: after Final Fantasy 14 1.0 came out and sucked on toast and threatened to bankrupt Squenix and had to be shut off and rebuilt from the ground up into a game that didn't look quite as pretty but actually functioned. Wild to look back on those days where no one knew if 2.0 would sink or swim, now knowing it's one of the highest-rated MMOs ever made and prints Squenix money.
Sometimes I think we should retire the phrase 'never meet your heroes.' It's the 21st century, baby. We don't need to meet someone to be disappointed by them, hang for awhile and they'll just tell on themselves over social media.
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Crimson Flight
华裔机甲迷
- Location
- Victoria, Australia
- Pronouns
- He/Him
We skipped Icelit Dragonsong for this lmao.
I don't think the phase transition means anything to me besides pure white noise any more.
Next step, back into the E12S mines.
21stCentury
Let's get down to bismuth
- Location
- Canada
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Aw nuts.
I have nothing to compare to yet so it sucks if it's all downhill from here.
- Location
- Colombia
Haha. the Fall Guys content could be called a Leap of Faith (from the Gold Saucer) reskin, but as an actual competition to the end.
It's very silly but man server ping is killer
- Location
- California
Fall Guys content with XIV snapshotting is a terrible, hilarious combo and I hope whoever came up with it gets a medal and a raise.
Renewal
Boring Person #5883781345
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Tokyo Fanfest livestream ongoing now!
View: https://www.youtube.com/live/9A2ljmmUT_I?si=znwNrWVCJf3U6k86
View: https://www.youtube.com/live/9A2ljmmUT_I?si=znwNrWVCJf3U6k86
SeaSirocco
Formerly 'Sanae Aran' / Aspiring Artist
- Location
- The Seaside
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Where are my hats, Yoshi P?
(good keynote tho)
(good keynote tho)
- Location
- Singapore
- Pronouns
- Singular They
Watching the first day's piano concert, I can kind of understand why Soken is so reluctant to stream the concerts.
While I'm grateful to be able to watch it without having to be physically present at the Fanfest convention, there are issues with the streaming. Sound hitching and skipping, sudden loud static, video lagging the audio, so on and so forth.
As in, probably 90% of the concert stream was fine, and if this was, say, a Hololive concert, everyone would just accept it as Just The Perils Of Online Streams. Nobody's fault, just the vagaries of tech issues.
But for someone as dedicated to quality as Soken, it's probably unacceptable.
While I'm grateful to be able to watch it without having to be physically present at the Fanfest convention, there are issues with the streaming. Sound hitching and skipping, sudden loud static, video lagging the audio, so on and so forth.
As in, probably 90% of the concert stream was fine, and if this was, say, a Hololive concert, everyone would just accept it as Just The Perils Of Online Streams. Nobody's fault, just the vagaries of tech issues.
But for someone as dedicated to quality as Soken, it's probably unacceptable.
