No, Nine Lives Bladeworks wasn't the only time that a single attack took multiple lives. Shirou and Saber took at least 6 lives with a projected Caliburn in the Fate route.
Fate: The Emiya Family Quest
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EnderofWorlds
Kneel, mongrel
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Overflow damage is possible, but very difficult to accomplish. And NLB was used on a blind, skinned Berserker: the skinned part being the important thing.
As for overflow damage; whenever Herk gets injured, he gains resistance to what hurt him. Nasu's example was fire damage leading to 100 fire resist. Using d&d resistance as reference, you'd need to do over 100 damage to overcome said resistance in the example.
Yes, and Caliburn is weaker than Excalibur. Shirou and Saber took out 7 lives simultaneously on an unnerfed Berserker using a PROJECTED Caliburn. A 100 kilometer radius spacetime distortion / implosion sounds a heck of a lot stronger than Excalibur.
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it sounds , but it may not be , look like this , what Shirou an Saber did was to overcharge an A+ anti-unit NP which is kind of like a focused and directed magical nuke , while the cannon ,even as an exotic effect, is designed to destroy a 100 kilometer radius, which disperse the power , so while the cannon may cause overflow , it's nature as an AOE makes it less probable than if the same power was actualy focused on him , because his resistance builds up each time you manage to surpass it and it takes a lot less power to distort a square meter of space than to hurt Herakles
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will408914
(slouching towards bethlehem)
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The problem, as far as I can tell, is that a spacetime distortion/implosion is indiscriminate in its damage-dealing. We'd probably get Herakles (if it is Herakles), but we'd also get the entire city.
As for Medusa, we don't know who she is IC... but Archer does, and he has Harpe. It's the weapon that killed her, and so it'll be particularly effective. We should have Archer fight Medusa, but then we still have to deal with Einzbern, Precia, and Berserker... argh. I'm too tired to think. Just throwing this out there.
Herakles doesn't have Magic Resistance. In canon, Yuuno, Arf, and Shamal together were able to forcibly teleport the freaking defense program of the Book of Darkness into space so that it could be hit with the giant spacetime distortion, specifically so that they could do so without destroying the city. They did that to defeat something with Majin Buu tier regeneration abilities.
will408914
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The problem isn't Magic Resistance, the problem is collateral damage. And again, it might not be Herakles; it might not even be Berserker. The description was just "something large blasting through the walls". It could be Li Shuwen repeatedly using No Second Strike on the walls for all we know.
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Did you forget that we've got a big TSAB spaceship in orbit, the thing that fires the 100 kilometer radius distortion? Those can set up really large and really sturdy bounded fields that prevent people from leaving without authorization, is super hard to break out of (takes either a lot of time or something like a Starlight Breaker), makes the interior be out of phase with reality (resulting in no further collateral damage being possible inside the barrier), doesn't draw mundane beings into the barrier, and hides it from mundanes.
In effect, its similar to activating a really large Reality Marble and only drawing magical people inside it. That's something we have access to right now.
EnderofWorlds
Kneel, mongrel
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Well we actually know what Caliburn does now thanks to GO; it's B-rank unless held by the king, in which case it goes up to A+ rank and can pull an Excaliblast, but breaks afterwards because it's ceremonial and can't handle the yield. And by Excaliblast, I mean full on Excalibur level attack. So yeah...
And an anti-country NP is only an A+ rank NP, your point? You don't know what the Arc en Ciel would rank in terms of Nasuverse ranking, so for all you know it's only B-rank and God Hand ends up negating that shit. Or it doesn't do enough overflow damage and Herkzerker ends up resistant to it.
will408914
(slouching towards bethlehem)
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I did not know that. Can we get out of range before it fires?
Here's the process.
- Call for TSAB aid, notifying them of the situation, including the presence of the interdimensional criminal Precia Testarosa. Ask them to set up a barrier to hide the conflict from mundanes and decrease collateral damage.
- Try and stall for time when Yuuno prepares a forced teleport spell to send Berserker into outer space (more detailed plan is needed for this, possibly including dismantling Blood Fort Andromeda or shooting Precia with an Origin Bullet).
- If the vacuum of outer space doesn't kill Berserker, have TSAB shoot him with the Arc-en-ciel while he's still in space.
Keep in mind that teleporting the Defense Program required a concentrated magical attack to smash all the barriers, annihilate most of it's mass and then expose it's core...and then it took Shamal, Yuuno and Arf working together to cast a forced teleportation.
In Heracles terms, we'd need to hit him so hard he dies at least once...then teleport him while he's still regenerating his head.
OR, we can do the much simpler task of going for his Master. Given how fast he burns mana, cut that off and we're good. Though Precia is at least as hard to kill as some heroic spirits, she only has one life, and as a Nanohaverse mage, she's heavily reliant on defensive barriers, which are vulnerable to the Origin bullets.
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Yeah let try finding the master if possible.
But even if we use the Canon on him, he'll just become immune to it later. What's stopping the master from moving Berserker out of the area with a command seal?
But even if we use the Canon on him, he'll just become immune to it later. What's stopping the master from moving Berserker out of the area with a command seal?
reborn214
Deep in thought
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If the master uses a command seal, that is good because we identify the master, and force them to use a command seal. We then repeat this two more times and kill Heracles that way. As stopping Heracles 3 times is easier than 12
The master also has to recognize Hercules is gone, so if it is Berhandt and he tries to command seal. We push with the origin bullet to stop it. If it is Percia, she would not realize that Heracles is gone as she is fighting Shirou and friends, so there would be a delay.
adreamofcold
On a Bus to Ivalice
Well, since no one else is offering...
[X] Contact the TSAB and have them put up a bounded field around the area. The less people involved the better, and it might disrupt the Blood Fort
[X] Berserker seems like the largest threat, so try and teleport him somewhere that's far enough so we can deal with the masters. Preferably space or somewhere that they're forced to use a command seal to bring him back.
-[X] See if we can figure out who is the master of Berserker.
[X] Of the two masters, Precia is the larger threat, especially if she is supplying IDs to others. Regroup with Yunno, to try and deal with her.
-[X] Have Archer distract Rider and Einzbern.
[X] Contact the TSAB and have them put up a bounded field around the area. The less people involved the better, and it might disrupt the Blood Fort
[X] Berserker seems like the largest threat, so try and teleport him somewhere that's far enough so we can deal with the masters. Preferably space or somewhere that they're forced to use a command seal to bring him back.
-[X] See if we can figure out who is the master of Berserker.
[X] Of the two masters, Precia is the larger threat, especially if she is supplying IDs to others. Regroup with Yunno, to try and deal with her.
-[X] Have Archer distract Rider and Einzbern.
will408914
(slouching towards bethlehem)
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- California
[X] Plan adreamofcold
I was actually going to create a plan when I got home tonight, but it looks like I got beaten to the punch. Is it also possible to integrate firing the GIANT LASER BEAM at Berserker while he's in space into the plan?
I was actually going to create a plan when I got home tonight, but it looks like I got beaten to the punch. Is it also possible to integrate firing the GIANT LASER BEAM at Berserker while he's in space into the plan?
adreamofcold
On a Bus to Ivalice
The only thing about using Arc en Ciel is that:
1. Everybody was caught off guard by this.
2. I don't know where the Asura is at the moment.
By the time they get into position to use it safely, the battle will probably be over.
1. Everybody was caught off guard by this.
2. I don't know where the Asura is at the moment.
By the time they get into position to use it safely, the battle will probably be over.
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Edit. Never mind, changed
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Random Tale
The Story-Bound
I've been meaning to post something like this over the past couple of days, but I kept getting distracted by going-ons in my life. At any rate, here are a few things to help you decide what to do, if needed.
Current Statuses:
Kiritsugu Emiya: Master of Archer; currently possesses 2 pistols with 10 spare clips of ammunition remaining, in addition to Thompson Contender with 3 Origin Bullets (rest are still at home); Can shift into Puella Magi form to make it harder to be hit, and can heal wounds; currently engaged in fight with Bernhardt von Einzbern
Archer: Currently holding off a woman possessing a dagger on a chain; fighting with multiple pairs of scimitars being scattered
Yuuno: Flying over to the Elementary School with Avenger from the Junior High School; possesses a half-dozen defensive tools, but little offensive capabilities
Avenger: Flying with Yuuno
Shirou: At home ill; recovering memories of the Fourth War and from before the fire
Illya: At the local Junior High School; no information of current events; possesses Kaleidostick Sapphire
Taiga: At the local High School; no information of current events; possesses Kaleidostick Ruby and Torashinai
Nanoha: Currently engaged in battle with Precia; possesses Raising Heart, a high prana-draining intelligent mystic code that has a variety of ways to cause collateral and non-lethal damage
Arisa: Currently engaged in battle with Precia; possesses some training as an executor
Suzuka: Currently engaged in battle with Precia; possesses some training with her bloodline
Maiya: Currently at home double-checking the gear Kiritsugu possesses for departure to Fuyuki tomorrow
Irisviel: Currently at home taking care of Miyu and Kuro
Enemy Statuses:
Bernhardt von Einzbern: wounded, but equipped with a wand-based Intelligent Device that shoots fire; in combat with Kiritsugu
Precia Testarossa: In combat with Nanoha, Arisa, and Suzuka; equipped with a whip-based Intelligent Device that fires electricity
Servant Woman: Blindfolded, but no combat decrease; uses a dagger on a chain; in combat with Archer
'Big Black Man': Approaching Kiritsugu through walls
Current Statuses:
Kiritsugu Emiya: Master of Archer; currently possesses 2 pistols with 10 spare clips of ammunition remaining, in addition to Thompson Contender with 3 Origin Bullets (rest are still at home); Can shift into Puella Magi form to make it harder to be hit, and can heal wounds; currently engaged in fight with Bernhardt von Einzbern
Archer: Currently holding off a woman possessing a dagger on a chain; fighting with multiple pairs of scimitars being scattered
Yuuno: Flying over to the Elementary School with Avenger from the Junior High School; possesses a half-dozen defensive tools, but little offensive capabilities
Avenger: Flying with Yuuno
Shirou: At home ill; recovering memories of the Fourth War and from before the fire
Illya: At the local Junior High School; no information of current events; possesses Kaleidostick Sapphire
Taiga: At the local High School; no information of current events; possesses Kaleidostick Ruby and Torashinai
Nanoha: Currently engaged in battle with Precia; possesses Raising Heart, a high prana-draining intelligent mystic code that has a variety of ways to cause collateral and non-lethal damage
Arisa: Currently engaged in battle with Precia; possesses some training as an executor
Suzuka: Currently engaged in battle with Precia; possesses some training with her bloodline
Maiya: Currently at home double-checking the gear Kiritsugu possesses for departure to Fuyuki tomorrow
Irisviel: Currently at home taking care of Miyu and Kuro
Enemy Statuses:
Bernhardt von Einzbern: wounded, but equipped with a wand-based Intelligent Device that shoots fire; in combat with Kiritsugu
Precia Testarossa: In combat with Nanoha, Arisa, and Suzuka; equipped with a whip-based Intelligent Device that fires electricity
Servant Woman: Blindfolded, but no combat decrease; uses a dagger on a chain; in combat with Archer
'Big Black Man': Approaching Kiritsugu through walls