[X] …Avenger, having been kicked out of the Harlaown household for a bit for having hit on Lindy, looked over Illya and brainstormed a few ideas to help her.
Don't care about the rest. This is the main objective.
High compatibility raises a Servant's stats, so I voted for the Solomon Social Link option under the assumption that it will probably raise the compatibility between Yuuno and Solomon, which should remove some of Solomon's nerfs.
I think you may be overetimating the benefits of High compatibility , look at Archer all we got from an extremely good compatibility was a rank up to agility and a practicaly useless E rank presence conceleament and thats not mentioning how he lost acess to the one abilite that made him a somewhat okay sevant and yet we shoul be thankfull he didn't get all the rank downs he deserved for a lack of RIn , but thats besides the point , which is that even if we made Solomon and Yuuno get as close as Gilgamesh and Enkidu , or Iskander and Waver (who looks a bit too much like Long Hair) it probably wouldn't come even close to compensate for the shit that is the avenger class
[X] …Avenger, having been kicked out of the Harlaown household for a bit for having hit on Lindy, looked over Illya and brainstormed a few ideas to help her.
Don't care about the rest. This is the main objective.
Wouldn't undoing some of Solomon's nerfs also make him better at helping Illya? That's honestly one of my main motivations for trying to undo some of his nerfs.
I think you may be overetimating the benefits of High compatibility , look at Archer all we got from an extremely good compatibility was a rank up to agility and a practicaly useless E rank presence conceleament and thats not mentioning how he lost acess to the one abilite that made him a somewhat okay sevant and yet we shoul be thankfull he didn't get all the rank downs he deserved for a lack of RIn , but thats besides the point , which is that even if we made Solomon and Yuuno get as close as Gilgamesh and Enkidu , or Iskander and Waver (who looks a bit too much like Long Hair) it probably wouldn't come even close to compensate for the shit that is the avenger class
Wouldn't undoing some of Solomon's nerfs also make him better at helping Illya? That's honestly one of my main motivations for trying to undo some of his nerfs.
I may have jumped to conclusions , but since Kanshou & Bakuya are but expresions of UBW I cant see how such a weakening of them wouldn't indicate a similar weakening of UBW , tought now that i cheked I sew to have overestimate the original rank of the NP , still an extra rank down on all his projections won't make Archer's life any easier
I may have jumped to conclusions , but since Kanshou & Bakuya are but expresions of UBW I cant see how such a weakening of them wouldn't indicate a similar weakening of UBW , tought now that i cheked I sew to have overestimate the original rank of the NP , still an extra rank down on all his projections won't make Archer's life any easier
Actually, that may just be his excuse for why Kanshou and Bakuya are ranked down. At this point, nobody has any idea that his gimmick is Tracing. After all, it says on the Servant stat sheet that Kanshou and Bakuya are his Noble Phantasm; that isn't actually the case. Where it says that it's ranked down from the false catalyst may be misleading.
what you forget is that a C in mana indicates a lack of power and the E in agility and the B- Divine words show a dire lack of speed , add the D-(why he didn't just put an E ?) to luck and we will need something way better than Zerg rush to win a battle
Hmm? Can't we just generate infinite mana to compensate for everything? We revive a witch. Solomon binds it with his ring and then sacrifices it for mana. We revive the witch again repeat infinitely. This system was meant to counter heat death of the universe. Am I missing something?
Actually, that may just be his excuse for why Kanshou and Bakuya are ranked down. At this point, nobody has any idea that his gimmick is Tracing. After all, it says on the Servant stat sheet that Kanshou and Bakuya are his Noble Phantasm; that isn't actually the case. Where it says that it's ranked down from the false catalyst may be misleading.
I cheked the wiki and there they said that their rank was C- and since their are only seen as projections I assume that was considering the original rank down
Hmm? Can't we just generate infinite mana to compensate for everything? We revive a witch. Solomon binds it with his ring and then sacrifices it for mana. We revive the witch again repeat infinitely. This system was meant to counter heat death of the universe. Am I missing something?
let's see, first we don't know IC that we overcharge a grief seed to make a witch , second we don't know if solomon can either bind or sacrifice them and the change that him doing so would left a grief seed is very low , third being able to sacrifice a witch summoned ex-nihilo for more mana than he expended makes no sense
and the C rank also represents how much mana he would be capable of holding and using at once which would complicate the rush tactic
This is exactly the basis of the Incubators' energy harvesting scheme. The Witch transformation releases massive amounts of energy in violation of conservation of energy through the conversion of negative emotions and curses into usable power.
In Solomon's legend, his Seal, on his ring, gives him the authority to command all spirits, djinn, demons and angels via the power of god
[X] …Avenger, having been kicked out of the Harlaown household for a bit for having hit on Lindy, looked over Illya and brainstormed a few ideas to help her.
Our primary objective, and once the War starts up proper we'd have little time for this, no matter how high our compatibility is then. I'd favor doing this along with learning EMIYA's motivations so we can avoid trusting him IC.
Witches count as Nasuverse Demons or they have the same properties as one. Remember when we kill Acht, the new's title is Emiya summoned demon kills head of the Eizenbern. I imagine if the Eizenbern believe that. They are probably smart enough to properly classify this as a demon or hire someone who did identify it as a demon.
Our primary objective, and once the War starts up proper we'd have little time for this, no matter how high our compatibility is then. I'd favor doing this along with learning EMIYA's motivations so we can avoid trusting him IC.
Could you... stop with attacking EMIYA? We have no reason to distrust him, in character OR out of character. EMIYA's goal is to stop Shirou from contracting with the world. This timeline is completely different than the timeline EMIYA came from: there is basically no chance of Shirou contracting, and thus, EMIYA has no reason to try to kill him.
Also, please note that EMIYA only attempted to kill Shirou in ONE of the canon timelines. In Fate, he didn't even try, and in Heaven's Feel, he figured that doing his job and stopping the end of the world was more important.
This is exactly the basis of the Incubators' energy harvesting scheme. The Witch transformation releases massive amounts of energy in violation of conservation of energy through the conversion of negative emotions and curses into usable power.
yes , but two things , first does this happen when you ressurrect a which from a grief seed and two do we have the incubators energy colecting capabilities needed to benefit from the antientropic aspects of the system ?
but , realy I just misread him a little and was acounting for him trying to fiind a way for Solomon to summon witche without grief seeds,Ikind of gone on a tangent
yes , but two things , first does this happen when you ressurrect a which from a grief seed and two do we have the incubators energy colecting capabilities needed to benefit from the antientropic aspects of the system ?
but , realy I just misread him a little and was acounting for him trying to fiind a way for Solomon to summon witche without grief seeds,Ikind of gone on a tangent
I do not think capacity is a problem. There are tons of way to store mana. I would be surprised if Solomon did not know a few to give a few examples Tohsaka Jewels, Azoth Blades, into a magical temple, and the Belkan Magic cartridges. I mean he could probably mass produce magic batteries.
On the other hand , ability to use mana at once, I am sure Solomon could create a few casting catalysts or tools to raise the amount he could use at once. I mean King of Magecraft probably could create some artifacts or modify an existing Nanoha device to let him channel more mana.
He is the king of Magecraft give him some credit on thinking of how to use infinite mana
I do not think capacity is a problem. There are tons of way to store mana. I would be surprised if Solomon did not know a few to give a few examples Tohsaka Jewels, Azoth Blades, into a magical temple, and the Belkan Magic cartridges. I mean he could probably mass produce magic batteries.
On the other hand , ability to use mana at once, I am sure Solomon could create a few casting catalysts or tools to raise the amount he could use at once. I mean King of Magecraft probably could create some artifacts or modify an existing Nanoha device to let him channel more mana.
He is the king of Magecraft give him some credit on thinking of how to use infinite mana
I give him all the credit he deserves with his C rank territory creation and inexistent item creation skill
and don't assume that we can abuse witchs for infinity mana , if it was that easy Incubators wouldn't need Puela Magi
I am not saying that he wont find ways to help his mana situatin , thats the bread and butter of the caster class after all , but since he got screwed by the avenger class I don't realy have all that much hope on that front
I give him all the credit he deserves with his C rank territory creation and inexistent item creation skill
and don't assume that we can abuse witchs for infinity mana , if it was that easy Incubators wouldn't need Puela Magi
I am not saying that he wont find ways to help his mana situatin , thats the bread and butter of the caster class after all , but since he got screwed by the avenger class I don't realy have all that much hope on that front
Um. Witches are Puella Magi. So yes, it is that easy, and yes, Puella Magi are necessary. And IIRC, when Avenger died the Grail recognized him as a human, not a Servant, which is how he lasted long enough to make a wish. So I think that we can leverage the Avenger class, just like we could leverage the Assassin class.
He was quickly killed and was trapped in the wish-granting spiritual Holy Grail. When he was taken into the Grail, a black miracle had happened. The power of the Grail as a wish granter received the wishes that humanity had placed on Angra Mainyu and was trying to give him, an existence that was only a soul, a physical form with power befitting that of the "Symbol of Evil". Angra Mainyu was being born, with the Greater Grail as a uterus, as an embodiment of the Third Magic.
[X] …Avenger, having been kicked out of the Harlaown household for a bit for having hit on Lindy, looked over Illya and brainstormed a few ideas to help her.
Because this obviously isn't his timeline there for he doesn't give a single shit what Shiro does because killing him wont paradox himself out of existence.
[X] …Avenger, having been kicked out of the Harlaown household for a bit for having hit on Lindy, looked over Illya and brainstormed a few ideas to help her.
[X] …you saw some of Archer's past, making yourself slightly worried with what you saw. No. of votes: 1 Godzillaslayer10
[X] …you got to know Avenger better, understanding more of his personality and tactics so that you could work together more efficiently.
[X] …you saw some of Archer's past, making yourself slightly worried with what you saw. No. of votes: 1 justinkal
[X] …you saw some of Archer's past, making yourself slightly worried with what you saw. No. of votes: 1 reborn214
[X] …you got to know Avenger better, understanding more of his personality and tactics so that you could work together more efficiently. No. of votes: 1 Caesura
Votes are NOT closed yet. As it is right now, Illya will be recieving help with her body, and Shirou will recieve a breakthrough on his projections.
Hmmm… two summons… ah, the two we have set aside Avenger and Lancer for. Let us see what they are trying to summon.
A false catalyst, tossed in for a false hero. And the way the circle is designed promotes the summoning of Archers. It may not be what we decided before, but we'll allow it. Summon the false hero, under his usual class. Let us see how he interacts with the changed world.
Now, the boy… hmmm… we see he is using an altered summoning circle, trying to go around the system on purpose. We'll allow it, yes… now, what is being used for a catalyst?
The Seal of Solomon?
No. No. No no no no no!
There is one class that fits him, and it's already summoned! No! Stay away from the other classes! Keep your hands off of Savior and Ruler!
If he needs a class, fine! We dub thee, Avenger!
...That was too close. Savior would grant him too much power... and we have Ruler under lock and key... Now, let us see what the last Master will offer to summon Lancer...
