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End of an Era (Naruto AU)

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spudman said:
Triage doesn't mean captured enemies have to be killed. It can just mean they're not at the front of the line to get treatment before injured allies.
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The Laurent said:
He drew a kunai. "I won't steal your credit. Internally, you'll get credit for beating the enemies...but I shall kill them."

"N-no," Rika muttered, "Some of them could still--"

"Triage. We care for those who matter," Zenzo muttered, "We barely have the resources to heal our own, and where would we imprison them?" He took a step forward. "They were trying to kill you. This is war," he said, his voice getting a little harsher, dismissive. "You're an excellent shinobi, which means stand aside, Rika-san."

Rika had stood up and shakily moved in front of Hiroto, the genin closest to Zenzo. "I...I know you can push me aside. I know you will. But, but I still have to try, people can be saved and, and..."
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Do you have a recommendation? I mean we barely had time to get the makeshift hospital operational. Where would we put them? How would we hold them? Why bother?
 
@The Laurent
1. At this moment, what does Shizue know about the states of each of the enemy genin/chunin?
2. Besides Genta, is the rest of our group capable of moving on their own and bringing Genta along?
3. As far as Shizue knows, do they or Zenzo have a way both to transport the wounded enemies and to keep them from escaping?
 
Oh I am slain! said:
@The Laurent
1. At this moment, what does Shizue know about the states of each of the enemy genin/chunin?
2. Besides Genta, is the rest of our group capable of moving on their own and bringing Genta along?
3. As far as Shizue knows, do they or Zenzo have a way both to transport the wounded enemies and to keep them from escaping?
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1) She's not experienced, but all of them are roughed up. Some might be bleeding out if they aren't treated soon. Ryota (the first one downed, that is) is fine and might even be stirring. He's in the best condition of all of them, 0/whatever HP, rather than at -'s.
2) Yes, though it'll be slow and limping.
3) Not at the moment. At least, she can't think of a way. Extra bodies would have to be involved, and there are no stretchers. Saving all of them would probably be difficult in the best of circumstances...

Another thing to note, whatever you choose, is that like Rika's stand, your decision partially matters because of what it says about Shizue.

As Rika says, she knows he'll probably just move her aside and do it anyways. She's standing in front of the body so that he *has* to move her aside. She's making a moral stand against it.
 
The Laurent said:
1) She's not experienced, but all of them are roughed up. Some might be bleeding out if they aren't treated soon. Ryota (the first one downed, that is) is fine and might even be stirring. He's in the best condition of all of them, 0/whatever HP, rather than at -'s.
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Oh, none are dead yet? And specifically, do any of the genin have wounds that would recover on their own? How 'bout with ninja healing?
 
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The Laurent said:
Well, the enemy chunin is dead as a doornail.

And as for the second point Shizue...has no clue. She's not the medic among them. Probably Ryota, for sure, would live on his own?
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Hmm...

I guess I'll wait to hear other players' opinions. I'm undecided based on the info thus far.

I'm trying to figure out whether it's a lost cause where all would require exorbitant amounts of resources to live, making it primarily a moral issue that's going to end with the enemy genin being left to die anyway.

Or whether Zenzo would be going around killing enemies that could be easily healed, which would be pretty objectionable from my POV. In this case, we'd not only need to speak up, but actively oppose Zenzo.

Or whether it'll be a case of Zenzo killing some genin while sparing others, which would be just about as bad of a result in the long-term.

Regardless, I do think we should at least say something to Rika.
 
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Kairos123 said:
Do you have a recommendation? I mean we barely had time to get the makeshift hospital operational. Where would we put them? How would we hold them? Why bother?
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The civilian doctors are for tertiary priorities. Captured enemy ninja can be treated by them when possible.

Tie them up (if they can actually even get up to move, which I doubt), stick them in a spare building.

Captured ninja are for intelligence and/or bartering chips in case any of ours are captured. Especially so with the bloodline kids.


And I don't want Shizue to just let it happen.
 
[X] Say something?
-[X] Raise the matter of their ninjas acting on bad information. This could be the breakthrough lead for the investigation, if we can extract what THEIR traitor said too. There was one in Reef, Tide and Island from what we know so far, it could be a third party at work. We can learn what they're after by confirming how Island was misled.

Zenzo won't respond to sentimentality. But logic yes.
 
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veekie said:
[] Say something?
-[] Raise the matter of their ninjas acting on bad information. This could be the breakthrough lead for the investigation, if we can extract what THEIR traitor said too. There was one in Reef, Tide and Island from what we know so far, it could be a third party at work. We can learn what they're after by confirming how Island was misled.

Zenzo won't respond to sentimentality. But logic yes.
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Good argument. The genin having bloodlines could make them valuable prisoners for exchange if it's needed. Perhaps that point could be added as well?
 
spudman said:
The civilian doctors are for tertiary priorities. Captured enemy ninja can be treated by them when possible.

Tie them up (if they can actually even get up to move, which I doubt), stick them in a spare building.

Captured ninja are for intelligence and/or bartering chips in case any of ours are captured. Especially so with the bloodline kids.
They are clan kids, not bloodline users.

And I don't want Shizue to just let it happen.
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As I don't really care, outside of my desire not to get dragged into another fight while weighed down with bodies, let me play devil's advocate for a bit.

Counter points:

While civilian doctors could treat them, are there any civilian doctors at our hospital? Would they have the supplies necessary when we as ninja do not? The implication being our ninja would have taken the supplies if they did have some.

Why do you think tying them up would work when there is a seal-less, genin-level jutsu to escape exactly that? Considering the GM has mentioned that at least one is already regaining consciousness, methinks you might not be considering how hard it will be to get them to our triage center in the first place.

That is very true, if they survive they would be valuable for both the information on their traitor and as hostages. However, they are still just genin. Any information they do have will be second or third-hand.

If they do get back, Shizue and Genta will get put on the Island mission boards. We killed a genin and Genta killed two. When they get home, we will be targeted like fish-girl was.

Counter-counter points:

We don't have any idea what is going on in the hospital-area, and might be able to loot some medicine from the empty civilian buildings. Similarly, we may be able to keep them all unconscious by setting up a guard rotation between our friends. It would be very risky with how low health and chakra is, but it is a thought.

Saving them would net us big brownie points with friends and Emiko(?). We don't have enough of a relationship with Zenzo for his displeasure to really matter.

It would also give us more street cred. We would be the A-team of Genin. Two Chuunins and at least 5 Genin? We would be the best there ever was. This is actually a lot more useful than I'm making it out to be, as it would be enough to leverage more training or resources if used right.

Not saving them will probably color our relations with our friends for a time, as well as shape Shizue and Rika. (While I want to make Shizue into a hardcore pragmatist, I acknowledge not everyone is as willing to take her character that way).

Any information on the Island traitor would be immensely useful, if only to compare to established patterns and narrow down suspects.
---Zenzo might be advocating killing them because he is the traitor. Bum Bum Bummmmmm.
 
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[X] Say something?
-[X] Raise the matter of their ninjas acting on bad information. This could be the breakthrough lead for the investigation, if we can extract what THEIR traitor said too. There was one in Reef, Tide and Island from what we know so far, it could be a third party at work. We can learn what they're after by confirming how Island was misled.
 
First off. Since when is there a traitor inside Island? The traitor in Tide was the second-in-command, and we have at least two traitors in Reef, but I don't remember there being any indication that there is a traitor inside Island.

That aside.
For this vote, I think we might be able to convince Zenzo to let Ryota live since he won't need a bunch of life-saving supplies, only some restraints and somebody to watch him/keep him unconscious. That said, I'm leaning towards the pragmatic decision and either trying to talk Rika down or move her aside.

Before I go, I'd just like to say:
The Laurent said:
Lightning crackled and flowed across the skin of the chunin as he ran, fists clenched. Okiie tried to put himself in front of the attack, but surely he'd be pushed right--

A punch and then a kick slammed into Okiie with the crack of breaking bones, and yet Okiie stood there, took the blows. And gave a laugh as he finished forming seals. At point blank range there was no way the chunin could dodge, and two water shuriken hit him squarely in the face, sending him stumbling back.

Okiie stood there, unmoving as if frozen. "Do not--" he choked out, "Hurt--"

On the other side, Rika stumbled back, having taken a blow meant for Shizue, and blew smoke out of her mouth as Genta yelled, "Shizue-- Stinger!"
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Okiie is best husbando. Very glad we picked him up.
 
spudman said:
Good argument. The genin having bloodlines could make them valuable prisoners for exchange if it's needed. Perhaps that point could be added as well?
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Overloading the point makes it sound like we're desperate to keep them alive, rather than the practical motives that work on Zenzo. Keep it short and simple, we're in a warzone
 
veekie said:
Overloading the point makes it sound like we're desperate to keep them alive, rather than the practical motives that work on Zenzo. Keep it short and simple, we're in a warzone
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Fair enough.


Can we stand with Rika, and say something, though?

Anyway, at least for now...

[] Say something?
-[] Raise the matter of their ninjas acting on bad information. This could be the breakthrough lead for the investigation, if we can extract what THEIR traitor said too. There was one in Reef, Tide and Island from what we know so far, it could be a third party at work. We can learn what they're after by confirming how Island was misled.
 
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Arkatekt said:
Can somebody please explain why we suddenly think Island has a traitor as well?
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There's always a traitor, Arkatekt. The Island traitor might not even know he is a traitor yet! *dramatic gasp*

...yeah, I dunno either. Spudman and Ct613hulu are probably just going with the only write-in right now that doesn't involve Shizue moving Rika out of the way herself, and veekie probably just made a mistake.
 
veekie said:
The bad info points to their informant either being an agent for a third party or they were also being puppeted like we were via a spy in their number.
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It could also point to our traitor playing a long game and sacrificing dozens of shinobi plus hundreds of civilians in order to 'win' the war for the archipelago by sending enemies good intel, until the time of the deciding battle comes and the sent info leads them into a trap.

It could also point to Zenzo spouting bullshit at the chuunin to distract him.

If Zenzo is the traitor, It could also point to Zenzo spouting bullshit so that we go off and focus on something else while he and the other traitor plan around our investigation and send us to die in traps. (this is easily possible if he is the traitor after all)

My point is, don't assume they have a traitor in their midst as well when it could be any other easily viable thing. Spouting out how they have a traitor with no evidence of that will make Shizue look like a complete idiot and lead to unnecessary confusion between all 5 of them.
 
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