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Avernus said:
Cartoon!Brockton, naturally.


Velocity: "It was weird as hell, everyone was an anthropic animal version of themselves. Like, their Armsmaster was a bipedal, human sized spider-"

Armsmaster: "What?"

Velocity: "Armsmaster."

Armsmaster: "Ah."
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Their Miss Militia was a sapient walking rifle that summoned little human like fairies to do its maintenance. Weird.
 
TypoNinja said:
Right, because we'd totally start with human testing, and human testing only.

If we suspected we had a time machine, early tests would include passing notes.
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You mean like how we successfully sent a radio signal back to the past by five seconds before the signal itself was even sent? Don't ask me for the article, I only just remembered the blurb about it from some point in the early 2000's when I read the article link header on the MSN front page back then myself. I think it had something to do with early quantum entanglement researches. Beyond mention of quantum pairs, and a brief "refresher" on wormhole theory I didn't read the entire article because it took till the last two paragraphs for it to even bring back up the radio signal and it certainly didn't go into further detail than the lab the test was conducted in (not even the location) or that the results were achieved, so I honestly don't know/remember more than it was done about it.
 
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WCSII said:
You mean like how we successfully sent a radio signal back to the past by five seconds before the signal itself was even sent? Don't ask me for the article, I only just remembered the blurb about it from some point in the early 2000's when I read the article link header on the MSN front page back then myself. I think it had something to do with early quantum entanglement researches. Beyond mention of quantum pairs, and a brief "refresher" on wormhole theory I didn't read the entire article because it took till the last two paragraphs for it to even bring back up the radio signal and it certainly didn't go into further detail than the lab the test was conducted in (not even the location) or that the results were achieved, so I honestly don't know/remember more than it was done about it.
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Oh god, I'm a couple of PHD's short of the ability to even attempt to talk about the (possible) processes of time travel.

All I do is the logical problem stuff that's pretty much a guarantee to pop up in any sci-fi community.

Implications, cause and effect loops, goofy stuff like how its possible to introduce elements into a loop that didn't originate in it, or that removing an object from the loop won't change previous events, which is great for highlighting reference point biases.

I think its fun, but it does get pretty screwy.
 
WCSII said:
You mean like how we successfully sent a radio signal back to the past by five seconds before the signal itself was even sent? Don't ask me for the article, I only just remembered the blurb about it from some point in the early 2000's when I read the article link header on the MSN front page back then myself. I think it had something to do with early quantum entanglement researches. Beyond mention of quantum pairs, and a brief "refresher" on wormhole theory I didn't read the entire article because it took till the last two paragraphs for it to even bring back up the radio signal and it certainly didn't go into further detail than the lab the test was conducted in (not even the location) or that the results were achieved, so I honestly don't know/remember more than it was done about it.
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So couple things. I can't find any reference even remotely similar so it might exist might not. Having said that and on the assumption that it exists it would not just be the most important discovery ever it would also completely break relativity and special relativity in a bunch of ways but also quantum mechanics(TLDR breaks all of modern physics) the simplest reason is e=mc^2 would have to be wrong and That c in vacuum is mutable. in that light can travel faster than light in that medium(radio is em waves ie light).

so some reasonable explanations
1. You just miss remembered an article from a non-academic source from at least 10 years ago
2. News media misunderstood an actual paper or abstract and went with an attention gettin title(they do this all the time)
3. it was published and they got the stated results but some error was found and they retracted(why there would be zero mention of it)
4. It like those guys claiming to have discovered cold fusion in late 80s early 90s and was a hoax that the news media ran with before it was exposed.

cant say anything with certainty without the article Or source paper but I think we would have heard about post einsteinian physics being turned on its head
 
Yeah, like I said, I only vaguely remember the article, and it was more than ten years ago. And the majority of the article was preface material that just stopped short of an actual announcement beyond "this named lab did it." I also didn't see any other article following that, so I put it out of mind since it was closer to twenty years ago now, and well forty I may almost be, but there is something to be said about the naivete of youth. The most I remember about the article is the suggestion that it had something to do with entangled pairs due to quirk spins and, somehow, wormholes. And was stated to be a follow up study on a previous study I remember hearing about, at least, from even earlier (supposedly five or so years before, I think) that had gotten a radio transmission a "full second" before transmission of said radio signal in that experiment. But yeah, never heard anything about them since, and before the whole mentioning of "passing notes first" didn't really ever think about either articles since then.
 
From what I understand of the subject, which admittedly goes no further than 'giant nerd with lots of spare time', there has been some "success" (it deserves the air quotes) with quantum entanglement, which would seem to imply that the speed of light might be cheatable.

However, and the reason is gets air quotes is that while quantum entanglement does work to pair two particles together, which then instantaneously mirror each others state, nobody's actually managed to get any information out of it. Which is a really interesting result, since we have a setup that should on paper be able to violate the speed of light, but in practice does not allow the transmission of information at faster than light.

It's a rather elegant little technicality where we can assemble a device by which all of its components working as we understand them should violate the cosmic speed limit, but doesn't actually in practice.
 
Unless they did the experiment using radios, then no. Both the "first" "study" and the "second" one mentioned radios in particular as being the signal received before it was sent. The first one a "full second" before hand, and the second one "five seconds" before. I'm not discounting that they were fake, merely stating that I do remember them and I'm mostly certain that even the second "study" pre-dated that wiki-linked event by a few years.
 
IIRC, it's the speed of information transfer that is locked to the speed of light. Entanglement doens't transfer any information that you didn't know already(eg that the states are entangled and therefore have a correlation).
 
cryptoam said:
IIRC, it's the speed of information transfer that is locked to the speed of light. Entanglement doens't transfer any information that you didn't know already(eg that the states are entangled and therefore have a correlation).
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Yea that was pretty much it.

I still find it really cool how close we have come though. It's very interesting, and I think I'm not alone among sci-fi fans to find near future tech theorizing quite entertaining. This kind of setup gives us an idea on how FTL might actually work at some point in the future. In fact Enders game explicitly uses this kind of device for their FTL comms, just with a fictional particle that does let them overcome the limitation.

So much real world tech has been inspired by ScFi over the years, hell your cell phone is actually better than the communicator Kirk packs, you get video!
 
I too vaguely remember reading that article. At the time it was kind of interesting. But when nothing more ever came of it, I figured it must have been a bit of impossible to replicate pseudo-science.
 
Martin Bajar said:
Damn, now we need to find a shipname for Taylor and Tali
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Lor-y-Li.

mp3.1415player said:
The ultimate solution is obviously to combine forces...
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But remember, things have to get pretty hot before you can do this!

sdwood said:
that's absolutely a possibility given an infinite number of infinite timelines (I think that that would be Aleph-one, but fuck if I can actually understand what Wikipedia has to say about it...).
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No, that's just aleph_0 again. You can't get past it just by adding or multiplying; aleph_1 is a whole new level of stuff. (Same for each aleph after it.)

mp3.1415player said:
as Sarah watched her feeling disorientated and worried.
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psst: "disoriented"

eric1505 said:
if you go for 8 hours of sleep, that leaves you ten free hours across the week - which pretty much all gets taken up by meals, hygiene, and travel. studying for school pretty much has to be done at the hospital between patients.
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*Exalted Sidereal Resplendent Destiny Disguise Technique intensifies*

Dave, enjoyable wordz were enjoyable!
 
I too also too remember the article, although from what I remember it only went back in time in relation to the closed system they were using.

So if I am both remembering the article right and the article was accurate, you can travel through time... From outside it.
 
FaerieKnight79 said:
Taylor also hasn't made a neat gun, for the people who are still alive. But there have been a plethora of Portal references.
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What would be really funny is if some self important General actually got read into the program drops in for a visit and starts complaining about how the Prime Asset isn't making weapons, either knowingly, or unknowingly where Taylor can hear, and she snarks either about how "the company name is Gravtech, not Aperture Science." Or "Do I look like GlaDos?" You know, just to lampshade all the Portal references. (yes, inferring that Earth Aleph ported Portal to Earth Bet)
 
WCSII said:
What would be really funny is if some self important General actually got read into the program drops in for a visit and starts complaining about how the Prime Asset isn't making weapons, either knowingly, or unknowingly where Taylor can hear
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Angus: "Nope, nope, NOPE! Pack your shit!"
*General is hustled out by his elbows. Angus stamps another kill marker on his office door.*
 
David DeLaney said:
psst: "disoriented"
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Actually, that's subject to regional variation. In the UK, "disorientated" is generally pretty unambiguously correct. In the USA, I gather that "disoriented" is similar. In Canada, where the I, the writer, and I think this site's ownership dwell, neither is unambiguously correct or incorrect; it depends on your influences and context. Since it's not in dialogue, in my opinion, it's fine for the word choice to match the author's usage over that of the setting. In dialogue, that's a different kettle of fish, and when asked to look over other people's fic, that's the sort of thing I've pointed out, though IIRC in the most recent case I can remember for this particular usage, it was in the other direction, as the speaker was a British detective.
 
Hmm...I was in the shower last night and I was wondering how taylor would handle either warhammer or halo at the beginning of the human covenant war or between h4 and 5?
 
Criminalpidgeon said:
Hmm...I was in the shower last night and I was wondering how taylor would handle either warhammer or halo at the beginning of the human covenant war or between h4 and 5?
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While there is nothing preventing her from doing so, Taylor does not seem interested in pure weapons development. Instead, she would continue to develop the basic science needed to let others implement the weapons tech needed to equalize things.

Also, keep in mind that Taylor is learning from extraterrestrial broadcasts, the nature of which do not match the known alien races from either setting, making it unlikely that she is in either of their worlds to begin with. As such, she in unlikely to become sufficiently invested in those settings to spend much of her time worrying about them. Particularly since, on a personal equipment level, she can already do as well for man-portable gear. (Space Marine tech does not count as man-portable, of course...)
 
Jacen1 said:
While there is nothing preventing her from doing so, Taylor does not seem interested in pure weapons development. Instead, she would continue to develop the basic science needed to let others implement the weapons tech needed to equalize things.

Also, keep in mind that Taylor is learning from extraterrestrial broadcasts, the nature of which do not match the known alien races from either setting, making it unlikely that she is in either of their worlds to begin with. As such, she in unlikely to become sufficiently invested in those settings to spend much of her time worrying about them. Particularly since, on a personal equipment level, she can already do as well for man-portable gear. (Space Marine tech does not count as man-portable, of course...)
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hmm, true. I should have been more specific, the idea was if she somehow got stuck there, what would she do.
 
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