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And risk getting blacklisted on getting her next piece of super-tech?
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YuffieK
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I believe someone calculated the energy density of electron degenerate matter as 10^22 J/m^3, so 91 cubic meters of it would be ~10^24 joules.
That's BIGGATON yield... as in twice the energy released from the Chicxulub impact, so I don't think it actually came anywhere close to EDM status.
The blast probably was something closer to Sedan Crater, which was a ~100 kT yield subsurface nuke. Still more than enough to vaporize everything within a mile.
It actually won't as it's almost entirely silicon and oxygen (rock) which need quite a bit more 'oomph' to initiate fusion than near degenerate matter collapse. If there was a lot of water (hydrogen) around then you'd get a much bigger boom than expected, but that's why it was done in the Nevada desert.
That's BIGGATON yield... as in twice the energy released from the Chicxulub impact, so I don't think it actually came anywhere close to EDM status.
The blast probably was something closer to Sedan Crater, which was a ~100 kT yield subsurface nuke. Still more than enough to vaporize everything within a mile.
It actually won't as it's almost entirely silicon and oxygen (rock) which need quite a bit more 'oomph' to initiate fusion than near degenerate matter collapse. If there was a lot of water (hydrogen) around then you'd get a much bigger boom than expected, but that's why it was done in the Nevada desert.
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So if I'm understanding this correctly, the math would be similar to that of a star going nova?
Gravitational Potential Energy.... lets see.... Mass of 91.6 million metric tons, gravity at 50,000g, focused into a ball 2.8m in diameter, giving us.....125,760,479,600MJ of potential energy.
Again, scaling UP the weapon isn't the problem.
No no, those towns are withing 5km of Ellisburg. And yeah, I'm sure they have long since been abandoned. The larger cities nearby, not so much.
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RavenWolffe77
The Marauder series is the best BattleMech.
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- Deep Periphery, A Long Way From The Inner Sphere
So what you're saying is "Not Enough Boom"? Because that's what I'm hearing.
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- Somewhere and Nowhere in a state of super-position
Did you change the "dead mans hand" details?
I was under the impression that Parahumans like Bonesaw and Nilbog had a fail deadly Dead Mans Hand rather than a fail safe. Instead of requiring a signal, it requires a lack of a specific signal for a length of time - in otherwords, the person has to live, else hidden caches containing the apocalypse will open when they fail to hear their masters heartbeat.
*Looks at Zeon's location* Is Texas still even part of the US? And obviously I was talking in a generalized "we" not a literal definition "we".
Also, the edit button exists, and four minutes is not the minimal time limit for multiple posts back to back according to what posting etiquette I am aware of. And yes, two posts four minutes apart with no other posts in between is still multiple posts back to back. Pedantic, I know, but still.
YuffieK
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I'm saying that they can't use a weapon like that against Ellisburg because what they just did to Jack and company was probably as small as they COULD make it. And making it any larger increases the yield much, MUCH faster than is acceptable.
Using a dinosaur+ killer on the Goblin King isn't a good idea.
maybe already mentioned, but didn't cauldron WANT the s9 around? Part of their cause as many triggers as possible plan? Even if she personally would be glad to see them dead, having "the plan" messed with isn't gonna make her happy. Also, if "regular" people start taking out dangerous capes, the "feudalism with parahumans at the top" thing wouldn't work either.
Of course those could both be fanon, my memory is all kinds of messed up....
RavenWolffe77
The Marauder series is the best BattleMech.
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Oh I'm fully aware of that, but what about Zion? Pop open a portal, throw an ultra-high-yield GravBomb(TM) through, and watch physics cower in fear as the Golden Idiot gets c r o n c h e d.
I'm pretty sure Cauldron or Simurgh are either to blame for Nilbog still being alive. Any of the triumvirate can solo Nilbog and his creatures if they wanted to.
There are probably a lot of solutions not involving gravity bombs. Heck they should ask Taylor if they can't think of anything else.
There are probably a lot of solutions not involving gravity bombs. Heck they should ask Taylor if they can't think of anything else.
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Texas is indeed still part of the USA. I find it amazing that California and New York still are considering how horribly expensive the cost of living is in either state.
As to my posts being back-to-back... I replied to posts from 2 pages and 1 page from the end of the thread with 4 minutes between them. Am I supposed to be omniscient? How would I know that the posts went up that way and nobody else had posted in 4 minutes? I don't read every post of the entire thread, usually I just reply to the author and then to anyone that quotes me.
YuffieK
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Bonesaw whips up her plague bombs during actual runs. She probably keeps samples of things like Ebola+ and Gamma Anthrax on/in her just in case, but actual things like her canon prion plague she doesn't keep around.
Even if she did have something nasty in the RV, it's very much not an issue anymore.
Thanks for the math input everyone!
Though i bet this is the only device they're going to be allowed to use before the devices get added in with the nuclear test ban treaties.
So we can instantly see that this thing isn't pushing the Chandrasekhar limit since there's still a habitable planet left. There's probably a design note somewhere saying "do NOT use more power!!!"
Though i bet this is the only device they're going to be allowed to use before the devices get added in with the nuclear test ban treaties.
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RavenWolffe77
The Marauder series is the best BattleMech.
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- Deep Periphery, A Long Way From The Inner Sphere
Considering basically everybody in CA is moving away, to the point former Californians are calling it "The Exodus", I doubt CA will stay that way for more than another decade.
What device? The town got hit by a meteor impact. /s
In all seriousness, nobody except people very high up the chain will ever know it wasn't a meteor. This is classified all the way to the top, and will be for decades at minimum if it's ever declassified at all.
Jordisk
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It isn't hidden caches, it was "you have to basically reduce her to component atoms or their corpse will release the zombie-virus and face huggers". They don't have anything set up that gets a signal from them, since that signal could be tracked. Anything they come up with to transmit the signal, some other tinker can figure out as well. All apocalypses are local, just with a rapid-enough airborne spreading to be deadly on a continental scale at minimum.
As to Nilbog, it was less a fail-deadly system and more semi-sentient creatures going made when their parental figure dies, combined with specially designed reactions for certain events. If Ellisburg got nuked, then there were creatures and plagues that would release and grow based on the heat and other radiation released. Nilbog also created creatures so he could survive a nuke inside them. Remember, Nilbog was actually getting close to dying of old age and poor nutrition by the time of Golden Morning.
The problem with the Triumvirate trying it is that Nilbog by canon can and has made a bunch of goblin hyper-viruses and bacteria and fungus that do crazy shit like super multiply if exposed to fire. So they could kill his macro-monsters, but then his micro-monsters would spread through the atmosphere as a dead mans switch
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Well okay - a one time disarming signal that they use when they decide to renew or replace the cache.
But I do get what both of you are saying. The emphasis on "deadlocked cause M.A.D." by Wildbow made me think that it was elegantly designed to take as many human lives as possible in all circumstances. Instead, if you sufficiently incinerate them and the surrounding areas the threat is neutralized. What a fucking joke.
Instead, saturation-carpet bombing with nukes could probably deal with it. This is what I get for going only by word of Wildbow I suppose.
Guest Omake - Becky Has A Snit
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I actually don't do this. Like at all.
However, I can't wait for mppi, so I'll have to write it. Here's an omake.
The assembled members of the Joint Chiefs, the President, and those of his cabinet looked on as the mushroom cloud cleared. Secretary Robinson had a small grin on his face as he looked at all the dropped jaws surrounding him.
"As you can see, gentlemen, this is a practical demonstration of the technology that is available due to the research that Gravtec is involved in. While only a prototype, the device was nonetheless effective in eliminating a group that has been a constant thorn in our sides for the last twenty years." Robinson's smirk grew as his gaze fell on Rebecca Costa-Brown. Her scowl was sufficient to curdle milk. I wonder how long she'll last before giving herself enough rope to hang herself? He didn't have to wait long.
"I was under the distinct impression that handling parahuman groups was the responsibility of the PRT, not the U.S. military." Costa-Brown leaned into the table to drive her point further. "I have had just about all I can take Robinson! First you abrogate my authority by hiding the evidence of parahuman involvement with Gravtec! Then you go over my head and get approval to detonate an untested nuclear device on American soil! I'm no long willing to settle with whatever answers you've given me concerning these issues. I want the truth gentlemen. I'm no longer willing to accept the stonewalling I've received since that tanker in Brockton Bay was moved by what is obviously some form of tinker-tech."
Doctor Calhoun took this opportunity to interject. "First of all, as these readouts demonstrate, there was no nuclear material involved in the deployment of the device. Just application of the same sort of physics that lifted the tanker. As to the rest; as repeatedly stated, Gravtec doesn't have a parahuman on staff. We've repeatedly told you that Costa-Brown. You refuse to accept that; you refuse to accept that someone is telling you 'no', and making it stick. We had an opportunity to deliver a weapon to deal with one of the worst domestic S Class threats on American soil, and we took it. Your approval wasn't needed, and wouldn't have even if parahumans had been involved."
Rebecca's scowl only deepened. "So, you all decided to approach the President on this, without even informing my office that this was being considered." The Chief-Director let out a huff of anger. "I'm far too used to the other Alphabet Soup agencies leaving me out of the loop. It's all part of the political game. What I'm not used to is decisions concerning my goddamn remit being made without my involvement. If that's something you're all willing to do, then why does my position even exist?"
"Why indeed," President Lawson stated. "In all honesty Costa-Brown, I've been asking myself the same question." The President typed a few lines on the laptop before him, bringing up a far different graph on the holographic display. "A proper examination of past actions is demonstrating the fact that your organization has been doing its best to sandbag against parahuman threats." He raised a hand to stop Rebecca's heated response. "Granted, they do provide the benefit of being canon fodder for the Endbringers, something that I no longer find acceptable."
"Frankly, Rebecca Costa-Brown, you're a relic of a prior administration that I've struggled to deal with since I was elected. Judicious inquiries has led me to confirm that you were involved in lobbying to pass many of the draconian laws that are forcing parahumans to work for the PRT. I don't like that. I don't like that citizens of this country have been denied gainful employment due to the NEPEA-5 laws. Laws that you were a driving force behind."
Lawson swept his arm at the assembled brass. "The reason I called this meeting was to discuss more options in effectively dealing with the S Class threats. One of those is to treat the PRT as a part of the military, as should have been done from the beginning. The Congressional Committee on Parahuman Affairs has already given the approval I need to make the changes needed, starting with yours and Tagg's dismissal from the agency."
Rebecca's scowl could have fractured glass. "You have no idea what you're doing, sir. Dismissing me is a mistake." He only smirked.
"I suggest you take your retirement in stride. Just be lucky that I'm only giving you a dismissal; I actually have classified grounds to have you arrested. Which will happen if you make good on your implied threat." Lawson waved to the Secret Service detail that was in the conference room. "Would you gentlemen kindly escort Ms. Costa-Brown to her car? Her office is already being examined under warrant." They nodded, moving towards the woman. Her glare intensified as she was led out of the room.
"This isn't over Lawson; not by a long shot."
However, I can't wait for mppi, so I'll have to write it. Here's an omake.
The assembled members of the Joint Chiefs, the President, and those of his cabinet looked on as the mushroom cloud cleared. Secretary Robinson had a small grin on his face as he looked at all the dropped jaws surrounding him.
"As you can see, gentlemen, this is a practical demonstration of the technology that is available due to the research that Gravtec is involved in. While only a prototype, the device was nonetheless effective in eliminating a group that has been a constant thorn in our sides for the last twenty years." Robinson's smirk grew as his gaze fell on Rebecca Costa-Brown. Her scowl was sufficient to curdle milk. I wonder how long she'll last before giving herself enough rope to hang herself? He didn't have to wait long.
"I was under the distinct impression that handling parahuman groups was the responsibility of the PRT, not the U.S. military." Costa-Brown leaned into the table to drive her point further. "I have had just about all I can take Robinson! First you abrogate my authority by hiding the evidence of parahuman involvement with Gravtec! Then you go over my head and get approval to detonate an untested nuclear device on American soil! I'm no long willing to settle with whatever answers you've given me concerning these issues. I want the truth gentlemen. I'm no longer willing to accept the stonewalling I've received since that tanker in Brockton Bay was moved by what is obviously some form of tinker-tech."
Doctor Calhoun took this opportunity to interject. "First of all, as these readouts demonstrate, there was no nuclear material involved in the deployment of the device. Just application of the same sort of physics that lifted the tanker. As to the rest; as repeatedly stated, Gravtec doesn't have a parahuman on staff. We've repeatedly told you that Costa-Brown. You refuse to accept that; you refuse to accept that someone is telling you 'no', and making it stick. We had an opportunity to deliver a weapon to deal with one of the worst domestic S Class threats on American soil, and we took it. Your approval wasn't needed, and wouldn't have even if parahumans had been involved."
Rebecca's scowl only deepened. "So, you all decided to approach the President on this, without even informing my office that this was being considered." The Chief-Director let out a huff of anger. "I'm far too used to the other Alphabet Soup agencies leaving me out of the loop. It's all part of the political game. What I'm not used to is decisions concerning my goddamn remit being made without my involvement. If that's something you're all willing to do, then why does my position even exist?"
"Why indeed," President Lawson stated. "In all honesty Costa-Brown, I've been asking myself the same question." The President typed a few lines on the laptop before him, bringing up a far different graph on the holographic display. "A proper examination of past actions is demonstrating the fact that your organization has been doing its best to sandbag against parahuman threats." He raised a hand to stop Rebecca's heated response. "Granted, they do provide the benefit of being canon fodder for the Endbringers, something that I no longer find acceptable."
"Frankly, Rebecca Costa-Brown, you're a relic of a prior administration that I've struggled to deal with since I was elected. Judicious inquiries has led me to confirm that you were involved in lobbying to pass many of the draconian laws that are forcing parahumans to work for the PRT. I don't like that. I don't like that citizens of this country have been denied gainful employment due to the NEPEA-5 laws. Laws that you were a driving force behind."
Lawson swept his arm at the assembled brass. "The reason I called this meeting was to discuss more options in effectively dealing with the S Class threats. One of those is to treat the PRT as a part of the military, as should have been done from the beginning. The Congressional Committee on Parahuman Affairs has already given the approval I need to make the changes needed, starting with yours and Tagg's dismissal from the agency."
Rebecca's scowl could have fractured glass. "You have no idea what you're doing, sir. Dismissing me is a mistake." He only smirked.
"I suggest you take your retirement in stride. Just be lucky that I'm only giving you a dismissal; I actually have classified grounds to have you arrested. Which will happen if you make good on your implied threat." Lawson waved to the Secret Service detail that was in the conference room. "Would you gentlemen kindly escort Ms. Costa-Brown to her car? Her office is already being examined under warrant." They nodded, moving towards the woman. Her glare intensified as she was led out of the room.
"This isn't over Lawson; not by a long shot."
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- Iowa
I think the time is too short or the gravity field too weak. 50,000 g's at 1 ms is a final speed of 500m/s, and objects only move by .25 m. It sounds horrifically fast since humans die at 50+ g's, but nowhere near fast enough for degenerate matter or exotic effects. The 9 would hit each other and everything within 200 m in less than half a second, so they are very dead, but I don't think it would generate enough heat/plasma to sterilize Bonesaw's plagues
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I gave a hug because I LOVE your signature. Truer words have never been spoken.
SanguisAnima
Σ Series Z10/0 Group A 4A-GELU Mk1
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... Soooo, does Taylor's S9 killer prototype have a name or identifier? Something like "Graviton-Thermal Fixed-height Ordnance"?
Would either of you have any issue with me crossposting these to SpaceBattles (with clear notification they are yours of course)
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Not at all. I've actually been considering cross-posting my fics to SB anyway.
Haven't done it yet due to how much suck copy-pasting is.
YuffieK
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No problems here. Amuse yourself
Done and done, both are crossposted now (like the previous one I crossposted, I included the quote with the permission on top and clearly mentioned your username and that they came from SV)