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Except that Dragon is a Tinker. She was dying from Tinkertech degradation when she Triggered and gained the ability to maintain herself.
No! She is canonically *not* a Tinker, she is a *Thinker* whose power allows her to understand (and repair) Tinkertech! She is publicly considered a Tinker, but she (and several other people) know that she is not. She doesn't build *new* stuff, she reverse engineers *other peoples* technology (tinker and otherwise) to make all her stuff.
 
No! She is canonically *not* a Tinker, she is a *Thinker* whose power allows her to understand (and repair) Tinkertech! She is publicly considered a Tinker, but she (and several other people) know that she is not. She doesn't build *new* stuff, she reverse engineers *other peoples* technology (tinker and otherwise) to make all her stuff.
Really? That is... not something I ever read. Can I get a source?
 
Well Room Temperature super conductors and hand held MRIs are a major leap forward as well as working to understand that Horrible kludge of tinker tech even after some heavy work of course.

Prime Asset hmmm? Sounds like someone that make Cauldron look like amateurs is on the field, and is taking their guardianship very, VERY seriously.
Given the USA intelligence community has been around a lot longer than the super special save the world treehouse club aka Cauldron they are going to be better at it on a pure institutional level and skill level, than a bunch of Spandex wearing wannabe's, the human plot device, a psychopath and of course the arts student who thinks she is a doctor.
 
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No! She is canonically *not* a Tinker, she is a *Thinker* whose power allows her to understand (and repair) Tinkertech! She is publicly considered a Tinker, but she (and several other people) know that she is not. She doesn't build *new* stuff, she reverse engineers *other peoples* technology (tinker and otherwise) to make all her stuff.
While you're right in terms of how her power works internally, remember that the PRT ratings are threat ratings, not power evaluations. The threat response for Tinkers is 'take away their toys' and 'expect new and better stuff each fight', whereas the one for Thinkers is 'expect them to know stuff they shouldn't be able to'. Dragon builds and fights with supertech, ergo she is a Tinker.
 
While you're right in terms of how her power works internally, remember that the PRT ratings are threat ratings, not power evaluations.
While you are right in technicality, remember that being reduced to arguing semantics means that for all practical purposes you have lost that argument.

edit: also no one was talking about her PRT threat rating, they were talking about how her power actually works.
 
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Or cake. Hmm, I wonder if @mp3.1415player is partial to pie?
Not sure about the pie (maple pican, anyone?) but as to the cake, i'm sure mpPi would be happy for it - as long as it is real (science is never good when the cake is a lie. :p )

them collectively loosing their shit over the Anti grav, Room temp super conductor and other goodies
I'm Pretty sure that they'll lose it a lot more when she is revealed to be a NON-Parahuman Masamune.

Taylor continues to get IDEAS for more SCIENCE!
Taylor can, apparently, understand Tinkertech AND HOW IT WORKS (in capitals and everything.) Given the various types and expansive fields covered by tinkertech (miniaturization (can't remember), modular design (Kid WIn), and Dimensional Jump Tech (Haywire), to name but three) I'd say that once she gets access, she will have ALL THE IDEAS!

Dragon <feeling violated>: "I need an adult!"
Don't worry, Terresa, she's a professional (a Professional What is still undecided...)
 
While you are right in technicality, remember that being reduced to arguing semantics means that for all practical purposes you have lost that argument.
Pointing out that someone has the definition of a term wrong is not arguing semantics. Dragon is a Tinker because you fight her like a Tinker; that is what 'being a Tinker' means. How her power works is irrelevent to the question of how PRT troopers are supposed to handle her, and that is what the Tinker/Thinker/Brute/Shaker/Etc. classifications are defined in terms of.
 
I also suspect that a hidden Shaker aspect of her power is making poorly made tech work when it shouldn't, given that canonically her whole thing is making moving junkheaps that are actually quite effective pieces of machinery. Even by Tinker standards that's kind of odd, if you think about it.

Either that, or she's actually a really, really high tier Tinker who is so good that even when massively degraded by being put together while on drugs her barely functional creations still work OK.

There's also the possibility that Squealer's shard is the 40k Ork technical manual, and that she's actually a telekinetic/psyker.
 
Why would they still be working on railguns when the perfect core to a powerful round in the gravtech device. A launcher that points at the target and programs it for everything with a final full power that way as it launches it.
If they wanted a mass driver that can be built with today's technology, but needed advanced training to repair and maintain, then DARPA would be investing in Coilguns.

However, part of the requirements is that someone with a high school education, and not one that majored in Science, can keep them running.

Mechanically, a Rail Gun is the simplest possible Mass Driver; it consists of two conductive rails, a power feed, and a loading mechanism. A barely literate wrench monkey with a tech manual could keep the thing going.... if it weren't for the fact that current available rail materials degrade with each shot, limiting the usable life of the gun.

A Coilgun would not have the same issues. However, they are far more complex.

Now imagine the nightmare situation where gunners with an IQ in the lower quarter of the possible range have to set parameters for each shot taken with the "smart" AG ammo. Suddenly, making more complex weapons makes less sense when the user may well have an IQ of under 50...

(This is not intended to be an attack on our Fighting Men. Rather, it is an evaluation of how important it is to keep operational difficulty down so the largest number of military men can use the weapon. Plus, the military tends to have the more intelligent and educated recruits be assigned to non-combat roles, where their high intelligence can be better applied, or else have them undergo Officer Training instead. So, the average gunner will tend to be... not significantly above average mentally, shall we say...)
 
A handheld MRI is a self-defeating device. Not because there is anything inherently wrong with the technology, but because no fleshy operator will be able to hold it sufficiently still. The relative movement between scanner and target would ruin the resolution.

The solution is as simple as mounting it on a tripod, of course. Adds $10 to the price, and given the sort of carrying case it is likely to have, a negligible hit to portability.

I am curious how one would deal with the very strong magnetic fields in other than a dedicated facility, though...


Eh i think you should be able to compensate for slight movement with reference points, i mean they tell you not to move in a MRI machine but slight movement will always happen and they will have to compensate for that anyway, yes it will likely not be as simple as artificial video stabilization but Taylor is a genius so i don't think it will be a problem.
 
I worry about a visit from mannequin or a certain endbringer. Or are they not paying attention because it's not technically tinker tech?
 
I worry about a visit from mannequin or a certain endbringer. Or are they not paying attention because it's not technically tinker tech?

It would not surprise me that much if Mannequin's 'stop Tinkers that make things better' psychosis/programming-by-Ziz doesn't trigger on Taylor because she is not a Parahuman. As for Ziz herself... Who the fuck can tell what the smurf is plotting. For all we know she'll drop in on Yang-Ban to stop them from kidnapping the possible infinite energy source inventor...
 
I worry about a visit from mannequin or a certain endbringer. Or are they not paying attention because it's not technically tinker tech?
In the case of the Endbringers, probably the latter. Besides, normally Eden would have probably nipped the whole thing in the bud if she wasn't deadish.

As for Mannequin, the S9 stays alive in part by attacking soft targets, such as Brockton Bay after Leviathan. Not a place that the US government is ready to defend with military force, and prepared for parahuman attack.
 
As for Mannequin, the S9 stays alive in part by attacking soft targets, such as Brockton Bay after Leviathan. Not a place that the US government is ready to defend with military force, and prepared for parahuman attack.

But how many non-government/non-Gravtec people even know about that? For most appearances Brockton Bay might soon become inexplicably calm. I mean, even Lung would probably think twice about playing chicken with uncle Sam.

And then consider that Amy lives here, Armsmaster has likely gotten ideas and the fact that Jack tends to not consider non-parahumans people... Yeah, I can see it happening.



And then Taylor reveals she can both track parahumans over city-wide distances and disrupt/break their powers from working at will...
 
Well given I don't think that Jack's skull is capable of tanking an anti Material Rifle round or his chest. So if the resident murder hobo idiot Manson clone has any sense he will avoid the bay like the plague
 
Well given I don't think that Jack's skull is capable of tanking an anti Material Rifle round or his chest. So if the resident murder hobo idiot Manson clone has any sense he will avoid the bay like the plague
At least our lizardy author is not the type to make the s9 hyper competent or give them superior plot armor.

On a side note... Spysats combined with the ortillery that Taylor has made possible means many S class threats are about to become obsolete.
 
Well given I don't think that Jack's skull is capable of tanking an anti Material Rifle round or his chest. So if the resident murder hobo idiot Manson clone has any sense he will avoid the bay like the plague

Thing is, with Bonesaw there... he just might be able to tank that. Do remember that the upgrades Bonesaw gave to (almost) all S9 members made them much harder to kill conventionally. Cherish only managed to kill Hatchetface by driving him to suicide IIRC. Getting overly confident in their own power only to find out that no, you can't survive the US army deciding to squish you would be quite acceptable an end for the 'fearsome S Class threat no parahuman can hope to stand against'.


aka remind the parahumans that they get act so freely only because they are allowed to do so.
 
I think Kaiser got that reminder rather firmly when he got visited by one of the USAs Intel alphabet souls.
 
Thing is, with Bonesaw there... he just might be able to tank that. Do remember that the upgrades Bonesaw gave to (almost) all S9 members made them much harder to kill conventionally. Cherish killed Hatchetface by driving him to suicide IIRC. Getting overly confident in their own power only to find out that no, you can't survive the US army deciding to squish you would be quite acceptable an end for the 'fearsome S Class threat no parahuman can hope to stand against'.


aka remind the parahumans that they get act so freely only because they are allowed to do so.
Just need to apply the napalm or similar. I believe Bonesaw is supposed to have installed deadman switched doomsday options like plague viruses or neurotoxins.
 
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