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A Spell In Parseltongue - an HP Universe Roleplay (Claim Thread)

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phil03 said:
I have a bit of a middle-ground opinion on it: the ministry is a solidly oligarchic system (the best way to make sense of the Wizengamot is to have it work by cooptation with allot of conventions as to whom get in, with seats reserved to certain famillies) where your familly name count for allot and who could be better in term of due process during trial (especially in times of crisis) and who gave attrocious conditions of detention.

This being said, if you are really talented you can rise throug the ranks (the minister at the time of the game was a tea cup boy) and Rowling specificaly mentionned elections after. Now, I know some tend to not be fans of word of god and prefer death of the author but to me its just the logical confirmation of the fact that the wizangamot sounds like a pre-modern parliament. So yeah, they're is some kind of elections IMO and popular pressure can get someone off but its definitely not an egalitarian democracy. They're is probably no political parties but one can easily imagine factions forming around and competing for the ultimate price.

As of Half-bloods and Muggleborns, you don't need to brainwash anybody to make them cut contact with their muggle familly: from a human perspective it would make sense that they do so by themselves to some degree as a way of going against the prejudices that mark them as less wizards and still partly or completely muggles, the same prejudices explaining how and why they would be loathe to share too openly their knowledge of the muggle world. Add to that the fact that the massive influence of the wizarding nobility who know nothing about the other world probably showed in the muggle studies curriculum as soon as it was created and you have the situation as it is.

So no liberal democracy with the rule of law as we understand it (at least not until post-Second Wizarding War) but no fascist dictatorship or something along those lines either. No flying butterflies but no gridmark either, just a very imperfect society with all her complexity and nuances and honestly I find that far more interesting then either extremes.
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TBF this is the most plausible I was just annoyed that it seems like everyone and their mother are both highly progressive and knowledgable in the society intentionally based on Appeasement era Britain, Nazi Germany and to a lesser degree various other times and places with slavery, prejudice, corruption etc. Being part of how the world works until the new generation comes and fixes things.

Honestly I preferred the early game with four active blood purists a couple of progressives and some akwardly in between chars. I figure the only way to restore that happy median is to point out the setting is intentionally unfair and bleak and so needs fixing
 
Mortis Nuntius said:
TBF this is the most plausible I was just annoyed that it seems like everyone and their mother are both highly progressive and knowledgable in the society intentionally based on Appeasement era Britain, Nazi Germany and to a lesser degree various other times and places with slavery, prejudice, corruption etc. Being part of how the world works until the new generation comes and fixes things.

Honestly I preferred the early game with four active blood purists a couple of progressives and some akwardly in between chars. I figure the only way to restore that happy median is to point out the setting is intentionally unfair and bleak and so needs fixing
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I get your point, altough Nazi Germany will be pushing it: with the muggleborns in school with everybody else and the fact you can't just kill them without consequences I'd argue its even better then the pre-civil rights south, but I'd also argue that they're is no need to necesseraly have our characters represent the whole society of the time, as long as it shows when they talk or otherwise interact with NPC's. Besside, even in those categories they're is a whole lot of nuances: Slughorn, Riddle, and Lucretia Black (who will all await the return @ByzantineCaesar) are all purists in their own ways but they're is massive nuances between them.

We are having fun, or I hope so at least :) and for that peoples need to play what they feel like playing. For you its purists, for me its something that could pass for the akward middle you refer too and for others its to play progressives. I don't see any problems with it, its up to me and @Yanez to maintain the truth of the setting as its most probable despite any prefferences the players may have for their own characters and we will do our best :)
 
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CommanderBlade said:
I am having fun.
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Oh, me too.
And to call Wizarding Britain even partially Nazi germany is... well, crazy.
The purebloods are racist (if you consider wizards a race, which is highly debatable) but most of them at this pre-voldemort time are at worst elitist and snobby .Not genocidal murderers.
Calling them nazis is a severe case of Godwins law.
Voldemort was a genocide.
Neither pro-nor anti Grindlewald purebloods are at this juncture.

What really , really bugs me is the ease at which the mundane born or half- mundane magicals are willing to forget everything they HAVE to know. Or to pretend they have forgotten.

Now, MACUSA is even worse (do they really force the 'muggleborn' to break every comtact with their parents, one wonders?) but still, the sheer willful ignorance of facts that might save lives and even HELP protecting the statutes is ...stupid. Simply stupid.The statute does to my best knowledge not forbid gathering information about mundane society.
Something that could be done by, well, buying textbooks and encyclopedias and reading them for just one month.
And theoretically, all wizards are alumni of an institute of higher learning... and at least a quarter of the equivalent to a school for mentally gifted.

To me it shows the purblooded have managed to delude themselves totally about the reason why there was a statute of secrecy in the first place.
 
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Sailor Midgard said:
Oh, me too.
And to call Wizarding Britain even partially Nazi germany is... well, crazy.
The purebloods are racist (if you consider wizards a race, which is highly debatable) but most of them at this pre-voldemort time are at worst elitist and snobby .Not genocidal murderers.
Calling them nazis is a severe case of Godwins law.
Voldemort was a genocide.
Neither pro-nor anti Grindlewald purebloods are at this juncture.

What really , really bugs me is the ease at which the mundane born or half- mundane magicals are willing to forget everything they HAVE to know. Or to pretend they have forgotten.

Now, MACUSA is even worse (do they really force the 'muggleborn' to break every comtact with their parents, one wonders?) but still, thesheer willful ignorance of facts that might save lifes and even HELP protecting the statutes is ...stupid. Simply stupid.
To me it shows the purblooded have managed to delude themselves totally about the reason why there was a statute pf secrecy in the first place.
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Not so much deluded as having forgotten I suppose for the purebloods. MACUSA is interesting: the most probably theory is that they simply take the muggleborns and obliviate the muggles around but, from the few things we know about wizarding america blood-purism is absent from their society, not just not put in laws like it is in britain to some degree but actually absent!

Combine that with a pretty-strong ''thou shall not hurt muggles'' (how hard will it really have been to liquidate the new saleemers and make it look like an accident?) it seem more like an overaction to the fact that, unlike accros the pond, there is a group of muggles around seeking to destroy them. Since we dont know what will happen post-1927 it seem perfectly possible that after the new salemers got out of the way somehow they will became more liberal about contacts with muggles.
 
phil03 said:
Not so much deluded as having forgotten I suppose for the purebloods. MACUSA is interesting: the most probably theory is that they simply take the muggleborns and obliviate the muggles around but, from the few things we know about wizarding america blood-purism is absent from their society, not just not put in laws like it is in britain to some degree but actually absent!

Combine that with a pretty-strong ''thou shall not hurt muggles'' (how hard will it really have been to liquidate the new saleemers and make it look like an accident?) it seem more like an overaction to the fact that, unlike accros the pond, there is a group of muggles around seeking to destroy them. Since we dont know what will happen post-1927 it seem perfectly possible that after the new salemers got out of the way somehow they will became more liberal about contacts with muggles.
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The wiki claims the law in question was repealed 1965.
So... yes, I guess now, two generations later, things are probably as well as they can be under the statute.
 
Sailor Midgard said:
The wiki claims the law in question was repealed 1965.
So... yes, I guess now, two generations later, things are probably as well as they can be under the statute.
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To be fair, its not easy to see why even today the statute can have a point: while in most of the world the average joe first reaction would probably be something like ''Wizards? WTF! Thats awesome!'' there is some country where its gonna be less pleasant. Can you imagine how Saudi Arabia and Iran would react for example?
 
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phil03 said:
To be fair, its not easy to see why even today the statute can have a point: while in most of the world the average joe first reaction would probably be something like ''Wixards? WTF! Thats awesome!'' there is some country where its gonna be less pleasant. Can you imagine how Saudi Arabia and Iran would react for example?
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Saudi-Arabia would scream bloody murder.
Iran too.
Unless... our wizards are smart and claim to be not human, but djiin or half djiin.

But yeah, in the west? Not exactly lynchmobs forming.. until knowledge of that damn Obliviate charm gets out .
Then, paranoia will kick in, hard.
 
phil03 said:
To be fair, its not easy to see why even today the statute can have a point: while in most of the world the average joe first reaction would probably be something like ''Wixards? WTF! Thats awesome!'' there is some country where its gonna be less pleasant. Can you imagine how Saudi Arabia and Iran would react for example?
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Sailor Midgard said:
Saudi-Arabia would scream bloody murder.
Iran too.
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Knowing people in government in both of those place, I'd guess that they would quickly integrate amenable wizards into the system to strengthen the central government. Probably would treat them halfway between a permitted religious sect and educated STEM workers.

Though, Wizarding families might even be able to take full political power if we're talking about the 1940s. Wayyy weaker central governments back then, and wizarding communities might even have more local support than much of the ruling class at the time.
 
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Been a bit busy back at school lately.

Just wanted to add that from my point of view, I really enjoy the idea of Nazy and Grindelwald having Wolfensteinian ( Or Hellboyish) elements. That would be freaking wicked!

Edit: By that I mean the Nazies having working occult stuff by way of Grindelwald.
 
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Being sympathetic in a gruff manner as well as being completely irresponsible are to two main job requirements for teaching Care of Magical Creatures ;)
 
@Shapeless Phobos

The irony is, Sept is probably the one of the three who has the best opinion of Crecy :p (even if in Herc case they're is maybe two or three persons who know how he really feel about it :p)
 
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Shapeless Phobos said:
So in trying to see through the biases of others Alphard has let his own bias lead him to the least biased available source...my head hurts now.:confused:
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Pretty much, basically the Weasleys are used to be lorded over by this point so it isn't the end of the world (and Sept has something for Lucretia too) . The Potters and the Greengrasses on the other hands are not too fond of the whole ''Queen of Hogwarts'' thing, their families being powerfull and respected themselves. Of course, they're is the fact that both of them would not be completely sincere or near from it about it (especially Herc) but then you ad another bias to the whole thing and it became pretty intricate :p
 
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The Chamber of Secrets being opened really does not bode well for Lucian cause damn his moral compass would honestly go looking for what ever is terrorizing the school.
 
CommanderBlade said:
The Chamber of Secrets being opened really does not bode well for Lucian cause damn his moral compass would honestly go looking for what ever is terrorizing the school.
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To be fair, Riddle wanted to avoid suspicion before anything else so a prefect and quidditch star in the gutter is probably not his style at the time. Plus, he isn't a muggleborn so he won't be targeted directly.
 
phil03 said:
To be fair, Riddle wanted to avoid suspicion before anything else so a prefect and quidditch star in the gutter is probably not his style at the time. Plus, he isn't a muggleborn so he won't be targeted directly.
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No but Lucian is about as muggle as you can get for a wizard and he definitely wouldn't sit back.

If he heard rumors of a creature that is trying to purge the school of all muggleborns he definitely would be on guard and would probably keep tabs on all muggleborn students in Hufflepuff.

Plus to be honest Lucian breaks the mold for a normal half blood.
 
CommanderBlade said:
No but Lucian is about as muggle as you can get for a wizard and he definitely wouldn't sit back.

If he heard rumors of a creature that is trying to purge the school of all muggleborns he definitely would be on guard and would probably keep tabs on all muggleborn students in Hufflepuff.

Plus to be honest Lucian breaks the mold for a normal half blood.
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Well, I'd assume most senior prefects are gonna keep tabs on their muggleborns and while Lucian culture certainly doesn't help (even some among the progressives will cringes at his catholicism considering the historical tensions) its ultimately about blood for someone like Riddle.

This being said, it seem pretty clear in canon that some where doubting the Hagrid was the culprit from the get go, how could he have stayed on campus otherwise? So it wouldn't be out of character for Lucian to look around a bit.
 
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