If we become a noble the people against us will see us as one of them and not a threat to their system. Doors locked to us will open. We can only get so far as a commoner. If we buy a Share first then getting battleships will become easier because we"ll get wealth from our Share and be better regarded.
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If we become a noble the people against us will see us as one of them and not a threat to their system. Doors locked to us will open. We can only get so far as a commoner. If we buy a Share first then getting battleships will become easier because we"ll get wealth from our Share and be better regarded.
- Location
- United States
I'd bet this is the case. We haven't had a single scene with Strauss interacting with anybody other than nobility and Sones. To the rank and file, or the serfs, he's probably a legend.
- Location
- United States
I admire your optimism, but I can assure you no matter what we do, to the established aristocracy we'll always beheld in contempt and fear.
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Xetares, Third Redeemer; World Drinker
- Location
- Sesh
They literally look down at us. At 6'5 they make even today's 5'10 to 6'0 average look dwarfish.
Not to the same extent if we stay a commoner.
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Xetares, Third Redeemer; World Drinker
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- Sesh
I don't know man. We might mentally get an upgrade from serf to upjumped serf, and maybe that's worth it, but only time will tell. I'm more on the 'conquer everything by sheer military brilliance' side of the spectrum than the 'work our way through the ranks' side.
ThatGuyWithIdeas
Treize died for our sins
- Location
- Romania
[X] Disloyal Officers. You need your own house in order, have him working on thwarting the actions of any of your officers who try to work against you. There are certainly several you would be glad to have reasons to remove or leash.
[X] Nepotism. The Governor General almost certainly has a child or grandchild who is a lieutenant or lieutenant commander serving in the navy for prestige. Ensure they get a promotion and a ship.
[X] Nepotism. The Governor General almost certainly has a child or grandchild who is a lieutenant or lieutenant commander serving in the navy for prestige. Ensure they get a promotion and a ship.
- Location
- St. Petersburg
Are there any shifts we want to enact in our roster?
Endeavour - Sector Flagship, Heavy Cruiser
Captain: You
XO: Baronet Commander Joyce Artis Rownett (Diplomacy 11, Tactics 12, Strategy 11, Prowess 11, Subterfuge 10) Loyalty: 7
Hawk - Light Cruiser
Captain: Captain Dame Stephua Rosson Maner (Diplomacy 13, Strategy 8, Tactics 11, Prowess 9, Subterfuge 8) Loyalty: 9
XO: Commander Sir Atthell Ason Perra (Diplomacy 12, Strategy 10, Tactics 9, Prowess 10, Subterfuge 15) Loyalty: 9
Peregrin - Light Cruiser (damaged, at 60%)
Captain: Captain Dame Juley Mara Wisanch (Diplomacy 6, Strategy 13, Tactics 8, Prowess 12, Subterfuge 9) Loyalty: 8, +4 from Blackmail for effective 12.
XO: Commander Dame Thera Phardson (Diplomacy 13, Strategy 8, Tactics 11, Prowess 14, Subterfuge 14) Loyalty: 12
Greyhound - Corvette
Captain: Lord Commander Jeffry Asim Grigonz (Diplomacy 11, Strategy 13, Tactics 6, Prowess 10, Subterfuge 9) Loyalty: 9
Whippet - Corvette (wrecked)
Captain: Baroness Commander Kathra Ared Scolly (Diplomacy 6, Strategy 10, Tactics 6, Prowess 9, Subterfuge 15) Loyalty: 9
Settler - Corvette
Captain: Commander Lyna Ryante (Diplomacy 7, Strategy 9, Tactics 13, Prowess 11, Subterfuge 14) Loyalty: 6
Captain: You
XO: Baronet Commander Joyce Artis Rownett (Diplomacy 11, Tactics 12, Strategy 11, Prowess 11, Subterfuge 10) Loyalty: 7
Hawk - Light Cruiser
Captain: Captain Dame Stephua Rosson Maner (Diplomacy 13, Strategy 8, Tactics 11, Prowess 9, Subterfuge 8) Loyalty: 9
XO: Commander Sir Atthell Ason Perra (Diplomacy 12, Strategy 10, Tactics 9, Prowess 10, Subterfuge 15) Loyalty: 9
Peregrin - Light Cruiser (damaged, at 60%)
Captain: Captain Dame Juley Mara Wisanch (Diplomacy 6, Strategy 13, Tactics 8, Prowess 12, Subterfuge 9) Loyalty: 8, +4 from Blackmail for effective 12.
XO: Commander Dame Thera Phardson (Diplomacy 13, Strategy 8, Tactics 11, Prowess 14, Subterfuge 14) Loyalty: 12
Greyhound - Corvette
Captain: Lord Commander Jeffry Asim Grigonz (Diplomacy 11, Strategy 13, Tactics 6, Prowess 10, Subterfuge 9) Loyalty: 9
Whippet - Corvette (wrecked)
Captain: Baroness Commander Kathra Ared Scolly (Diplomacy 6, Strategy 10, Tactics 6, Prowess 9, Subterfuge 15) Loyalty: 9
Settler - Corvette
Captain: Commander Lyna Ryante (Diplomacy 7, Strategy 9, Tactics 13, Prowess 11, Subterfuge 14) Loyalty: 6
- Do XO stats make a difference if they are lower than those of the Captain?
- Are we at risk of Wisanch slipping away from our grasp if we relocate Phardson? I mean, getting rid of the blackmail was dependent on opposing Sbt rolls, but 'Loyalty' at 12 also should mean that barring a disaster Wisanch shouldn't even attempt it. Does she also roll for being 'helpful', compelled by our findings? Would be pretty funny, if so.
- Where did we put Sones? What is a 'staff officer'? Would anything be different if we got him on a ship, or would we lose access to his helpful rolls provided by Sbt/Dpl stats? I mean, he can't command a ship and be our eyes and ears, can he?
- Is there any benefit, or drawback, to putting Scolly as our XO? A close proximity to us may help her develop some combat skills (can this be a thing?), if only by aping the form, and her Subterfuge could be really helpful to ward off unwanted attention (though that depends on the answer to the Sones question). On the other hand, we should pray to God we are never indisposed, because she'll run the ship into ground the moment we step away from the bridge.
Officers, Nobles & Imperial Society
@Nevill To work through these:
Also regarding becoming a noble, you would be seen as 'upjumped' to a degree but less so than right now where you are in effect more important than most titled nobles but have not literally bought into the class system.
Also nobles get quite a few legal 'perks', for example a noble cannot be sent to prison but instead just has the dividends from their shares suspended for a few years, can legally challenge people to duels, etc.
Regarding imperial society as a whole do not take terms like 'Serf' too literally. Commoner 'serfs' only rarely perform brute labour and can be doctors, engineers, project managers or, technicians. The key thing is that they are deliberately trapped in heavy debt to the government corporation and thus do not have freedom of movement or employment.
Higher skilled jobs do get much higher standards of living and can normally pay off their debts in a few decades especially if somebody is from a relatively 'wealthy' family where parents pay off their children's debts in advance. This is relatively rare though and it is normally trivial for a ruling noble house to just ensure somebody does not get employment and so falls back into serfdom, if they want to.
There is still a fairly small 'middle class' of commoners who are not serfs though, from military enlistees who make it a few decades, to the older generations of skilled professions and management.
It is absolutely unnecessary though and whilst there is heavy propaganda (there is no free media at all in the empire) stating otherwise, you know perfectly well that there are independent worlds where everyone has a living standard approaching that of lesser nobility.
Fundamentally the entire Imperium was established because some incredibly rich assholes wanted to be even richer assholes who could strut around as Space Barons and Space Dukes. With fantastic capes.
Added: The Earth Sphere is a literal sphere, the Sol System is encased in a Dyson Sphere outside of Saturn orbit and their technology and power are incalculable. Earth apparently still exists inside though given they do export genuine Earth products in return for cultural artefacts and similar.
They gave some backing to the formation of the NASP alliance but did not directly intervene in the war, still, apparently some faction of the presumably post human intelligences inhabiting the Sol system apparently did not like the idea of hundreds of planets being enslaved.
Naval Intelligence estimates that it was basically their equivalent of an NGO, a fairly small charity group of 'private citizens' who gave New Australia drive technology about fifty to a hundred years in advance of that commonly available and pushed the formation of a huge interstellar power block.
Added: Also to note, there are also a lot of independent planets that are more Space North Korea, Space Cambodia or Space Belarus. Also the odd planet that is Space Jamestown Cult or which has balkanised into eight mutually antagonistic Space North Koreas, degenerated to real North Korea technology and steadily nuking the biosphere into collapse.
- Do XO stats make a difference if they are lower than those of the Captain? - Generally no, but if the captain is away, incapacitated, etc then they roll, also they will tend to lead boarding actions or planetary landings. Putting an unskilled XO with a skilled captain will (slowly) raise their skills though. If there is some kind of unexpected problem like an ambush or surprise attack then the XO has about a 50:50 chance of being in command until the captain can reach the bridge.
- Are we at risk of Wisanch slipping away from our grasp if we relocate Phardson? I mean, getting rid of the blackmail was dependent on opposing Sbt rolls, but 'Loyalty' at 12 also should mean that barring a disaster Wisanch shouldn't even attempt it. Does she also roll for being 'helpful', compelled by our findings? Would be pretty funny, if so. - You have pretty damn convincing blackmail material on her, she will almost certainly not attempt to betray you unless she thinks she has a 100% chance of getting away with it and removing said blackmail issue at the same time. Also yes, she might actively try to help you in the hope of you not burning her career.
- Where did we put Sones? What is a 'staff officer'? Would anything be different if we got him on a ship, or would we lose access to his helpful rolls provided by Sbt/Dpl stats? I mean, he can't command a ship and be our eyes and ears, can he? - Right now he is part of your 'Flag Staff', so he hangs out on your flagship or at the fleet base and works directly for you but without any actual command beyond a few aides. He would love to have a ship or be your XO though.
- Is there any benefit, or drawback, to putting Scolly as our XO? - See above!
Also regarding becoming a noble, you would be seen as 'upjumped' to a degree but less so than right now where you are in effect more important than most titled nobles but have not literally bought into the class system.
Also nobles get quite a few legal 'perks', for example a noble cannot be sent to prison but instead just has the dividends from their shares suspended for a few years, can legally challenge people to duels, etc.
Regarding imperial society as a whole do not take terms like 'Serf' too literally. Commoner 'serfs' only rarely perform brute labour and can be doctors, engineers, project managers or, technicians. The key thing is that they are deliberately trapped in heavy debt to the government corporation and thus do not have freedom of movement or employment.
Higher skilled jobs do get much higher standards of living and can normally pay off their debts in a few decades especially if somebody is from a relatively 'wealthy' family where parents pay off their children's debts in advance. This is relatively rare though and it is normally trivial for a ruling noble house to just ensure somebody does not get employment and so falls back into serfdom, if they want to.
There is still a fairly small 'middle class' of commoners who are not serfs though, from military enlistees who make it a few decades, to the older generations of skilled professions and management.
It is absolutely unnecessary though and whilst there is heavy propaganda (there is no free media at all in the empire) stating otherwise, you know perfectly well that there are independent worlds where everyone has a living standard approaching that of lesser nobility.
Fundamentally the entire Imperium was established because some incredibly rich assholes wanted to be even richer assholes who could strut around as Space Barons and Space Dukes. With fantastic capes.
Added: The Earth Sphere is a literal sphere, the Sol System is encased in a Dyson Sphere outside of Saturn orbit and their technology and power are incalculable. Earth apparently still exists inside though given they do export genuine Earth products in return for cultural artefacts and similar.
They gave some backing to the formation of the NASP alliance but did not directly intervene in the war, still, apparently some faction of the presumably post human intelligences inhabiting the Sol system apparently did not like the idea of hundreds of planets being enslaved.
Naval Intelligence estimates that it was basically their equivalent of an NGO, a fairly small charity group of 'private citizens' who gave New Australia drive technology about fifty to a hundred years in advance of that commonly available and pushed the formation of a huge interstellar power block.
Added: Also to note, there are also a lot of independent planets that are more Space North Korea, Space Cambodia or Space Belarus. Also the odd planet that is Space Jamestown Cult or which has balkanised into eight mutually antagonistic Space North Koreas, degenerated to real North Korea technology and steadily nuking the biosphere into collapse.
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- Location
- St. Petersburg
Wait, do we get to wear a fantastic cape if we become a noble? That might be something worth thinking about!
How worried should we be about some noble or other taking offense at something and assassinating us via a duel? Our Prowess is fairly average, so I imagine it wouldn't be that hard if someone put their mind to it. So why haven't they? Have we been careful enough to avoid it (given the prosthetic fingers, not likely), or are there some repercussions or other factors in place that serve to protect us?
How worried should we be about some noble or other taking offense at something and assassinating us via a duel? Our Prowess is fairly average, so I imagine it wouldn't be that hard if someone put their mind to it. So why haven't they? Have we been careful enough to avoid it (given the prosthetic fingers, not likely), or are there some repercussions or other factors in place that serve to protect us?
@Nevill You are not allowed to challenge your commanding officer to a duel unless they step over certain boundaries (do not tell a noble that they are of common birth or a product of failed geneering, do not imply they are bankrupt or a traitor, etc). Fatal duels between serving military officers are also illegal though the actual penalty is fairly minor unless you kill somebody important and popular.
Also your Prowess is 10, you are an even match for an average naval captain. The theoretical average naval captain is a 30ish minor noble who is 6'5" but built like a Greek god and has about 15 years of military experience along with likely daily training with weaponry.
Yes, there are people out there who could fairly easily slaughter you, but the 'average noble' as a whole probably has Prowess 7 or 8. You are a legitimately scary person and losing a duel with you would be amazingly embarassing. Sones with his Prowess 13 as a non noble is... Not normal and probably has more extensive cybernetic augmentation than is normal or safe, likely impacting his quality of life.
Also your Prowess is 10, you are an even match for an average naval captain. The theoretical average naval captain is a 30ish minor noble who is 6'5" but built like a Greek god and has about 15 years of military experience along with likely daily training with weaponry.
Yes, there are people out there who could fairly easily slaughter you, but the 'average noble' as a whole probably has Prowess 7 or 8. You are a legitimately scary person and losing a duel with you would be amazingly embarassing. Sones with his Prowess 13 as a non noble is... Not normal and probably has more extensive cybernetic augmentation than is normal or safe, likely impacting his quality of life.
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I want to go Napoleon on them too and think getting a title will make it easier unless we wait out the collapse of the Imperium.
What are the stats for average serfs?
- Location
- United States
*spit take* What the fuck!?!
... holy Jesus mother of shit, how in the name of God ...
What the fuck happened?!?
Edit: Posthuman doesn't even begin to describe that! How the hell did the entire goddamn solar system ascend to fucking godhood? And why are the rest of the colonies slumming it?
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Colonies, Shares & Imperial Demographics
@Gunman Hard to really give 'average' stats for serfs given that the stats for the quest are very focused on being a senior naval officer and it is hard to describe averages for vast swathes of the population.
An 'average' soldier of a low tech or poor world who is a professional combatent with proper training but does not have any augmentation would probably be something like Prowess 5 though.
@LonelyWolf999 Basically the first waves of colonies were all slower than light and most polities have grown out from those original STL colonisation efforts. By the time FTL travel became a thing and people made contact back with the solar system this had happened and the Earth Sphere is almost completely isolationist. They effectively collect important artefacts that they presumably want to put in museums in return for fantastically expensive trinkets and materials like the emeralds used in your most fancy medal. Which are regular emeralds, they are just from Earth! Things like their intervention in the NASP war were probably carried out by groups about as relevant to them internally as say, Sea Shepard, the whaling protesters.
Normal dividend payment for a single share would be equivalent to one Wealth a quarter but this is suspended during times of crisis, as defined by the Empress. They only started paying out dividends last year in the wake of the war did so because of immense political pressure not because it was necessarily a good time for it.
Population wise there are actually very, very few nobles, you are only an real noble if you hold a share or the head of your immediate family holds a share. If you look at your fleet and officers you might notice that there is a baronet, a baroness and Lord Commander Jeffry Asim Grigonz, everyone else noble being a 'sir' or 'dame' for title. Commander Grigonz personally holds a single share, Baroness Scolly has six, your XO Baronet Rownett probably has two or three. All of the other noble officers are either the children of a share holder or married to one but do not hold shares themselves.
If I was to detail the far more numerous lieutenant commanders, lieutenants, midshipmen/women and marine officers then you would see a lot more people without any kind of noble title. Probably a third of the lowest ranking officers are people like yourself, commoners who excelled and were commissioned, most of the rest would be peripheral members of noble families, cousins and grandchildren of actual lords and ladies, lacking any kind of immediate familial access to a share. Also a few younger versions of your current senior officers. Even if you have a share you do normally need to work through the ranks, unless you have direct ducal or imperial sponsorship, it is just faster and more certain because of your status, wealth, and obviously, superior breeding.
The practise is very much to keep shares centralised. Very high ranked nobles might leave single shares to heirs other than the first child but pure primogeniture is the rule when it comes to share inheritance. Other wealth tends to be split more evenly but the edges of extended family very quickly drop out of being considered nobles.
That is where most new nobles come from though, very wealthy non nobles who are still parts of extended families and manage to build up their riches to where they can buy a share. Meritocracy! This grey area is technically where you sit on the social totem pole but you are not a product of noble family genetic enhancement and so do not 'look the part' or 'talk the talk'.
These people are a tiny proportion of the population though, less than one percent. You then have about eight percent of the population who are not in debt bondage but still very much commoners. Doctors who are 40+ and frugal, or have parents who were also doctors, senior management in private or government owned corporations, long service military veterans, university professors, etc. A high proportion of these people are from families who have had the same kind of status, it is much easier to keep out of debt bondage when it is generational, but the moment somebody does not manage to get a very lucrative career or put a few decades into the military, that is it, welcome to a family line falling back into serfdom.
There are tiers there of course, serfs who are literally working on Space Latifundi or Space Mines are significantly worse off than serfs who are primary school teachers, or lawyers. They do however work for (or are contracted out by) the person or entity they owe money to and it is a tar pit extremely difficult to get out of.
The official story of course points to the planets that are Space North Korea x8 as an example of why the Imperial system is far superior.
An 'average' soldier of a low tech or poor world who is a professional combatent with proper training but does not have any augmentation would probably be something like Prowess 5 though.
@LonelyWolf999 Basically the first waves of colonies were all slower than light and most polities have grown out from those original STL colonisation efforts. By the time FTL travel became a thing and people made contact back with the solar system this had happened and the Earth Sphere is almost completely isolationist. They effectively collect important artefacts that they presumably want to put in museums in return for fantastically expensive trinkets and materials like the emeralds used in your most fancy medal. Which are regular emeralds, they are just from Earth! Things like their intervention in the NASP war were probably carried out by groups about as relevant to them internally as say, Sea Shepard, the whaling protesters.
Normal dividend payment for a single share would be equivalent to one Wealth a quarter but this is suspended during times of crisis, as defined by the Empress. They only started paying out dividends last year in the wake of the war did so because of immense political pressure not because it was necessarily a good time for it.
Population wise there are actually very, very few nobles, you are only an real noble if you hold a share or the head of your immediate family holds a share. If you look at your fleet and officers you might notice that there is a baronet, a baroness and Lord Commander Jeffry Asim Grigonz, everyone else noble being a 'sir' or 'dame' for title. Commander Grigonz personally holds a single share, Baroness Scolly has six, your XO Baronet Rownett probably has two or three. All of the other noble officers are either the children of a share holder or married to one but do not hold shares themselves.
If I was to detail the far more numerous lieutenant commanders, lieutenants, midshipmen/women and marine officers then you would see a lot more people without any kind of noble title. Probably a third of the lowest ranking officers are people like yourself, commoners who excelled and were commissioned, most of the rest would be peripheral members of noble families, cousins and grandchildren of actual lords and ladies, lacking any kind of immediate familial access to a share. Also a few younger versions of your current senior officers. Even if you have a share you do normally need to work through the ranks, unless you have direct ducal or imperial sponsorship, it is just faster and more certain because of your status, wealth, and obviously, superior breeding.
The practise is very much to keep shares centralised. Very high ranked nobles might leave single shares to heirs other than the first child but pure primogeniture is the rule when it comes to share inheritance. Other wealth tends to be split more evenly but the edges of extended family very quickly drop out of being considered nobles.
That is where most new nobles come from though, very wealthy non nobles who are still parts of extended families and manage to build up their riches to where they can buy a share. Meritocracy! This grey area is technically where you sit on the social totem pole but you are not a product of noble family genetic enhancement and so do not 'look the part' or 'talk the talk'.
These people are a tiny proportion of the population though, less than one percent. You then have about eight percent of the population who are not in debt bondage but still very much commoners. Doctors who are 40+ and frugal, or have parents who were also doctors, senior management in private or government owned corporations, long service military veterans, university professors, etc. A high proportion of these people are from families who have had the same kind of status, it is much easier to keep out of debt bondage when it is generational, but the moment somebody does not manage to get a very lucrative career or put a few decades into the military, that is it, welcome to a family line falling back into serfdom.
There are tiers there of course, serfs who are literally working on Space Latifundi or Space Mines are significantly worse off than serfs who are primary school teachers, or lawyers. They do however work for (or are contracted out by) the person or entity they owe money to and it is a tar pit extremely difficult to get out of.
The official story of course points to the planets that are Space North Korea x8 as an example of why the Imperial system is far superior.
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- Location
- St. Petersburg
I was mostly interested in the possibility of a political assassination, with a wealthy/influental house hiring a duelist to take offense at something trivial (not too hard with our atrocious Diplomacy, and the offense doesn't need to be real anyway), and challenging us to a duel at some event or other with lots of witnesses. We wouldn't be their commanding officer, so the above does not apply... and there is very little we can do to protect ourselves from a dedicated killer like, say, Baroness Sandra Arril with her Prowess at 16. Not that she would do that, being our friend and all...
I guess we didn't piss off a sufficiently big House for that to happen just yet, but I wonder if this is technically possible and if there are ways we could handle this besides rolling and praying.
Also, how pissed does a House need to be to resort to that kind of action? I mean, we already had a choice to infringe on some of House Jamoor operations...
As for the vote... I'll try bucking the trend. The current set is by no means bad, and lets us get away with what we did relatively scot-free, at the expense of yet another
I know that our situation is precarious, and our enemies are always plotting, but I will trust our strategical and tactical genius to carry us through. I also choose quelling a rebellion, as it does not endanger our damaged fleet further, while our marines are mostly fresh and unbloodied.
[x] Rebel Plots. Half the worlds of the Mimir Sector seethe with discontent, democratic activists, loyalists to old planetary governments, agents and spies of the NASP. The marines aboard your ships are the best Imperial troops in the sector, highly trained drop commandos with powered armour and you have almost three brigades of them aboard highly mobile warships. You could be valuable in countering the rebels if you knew where to strike.
[x] A Grand Action. Promise him something really impressive for him to pass on to his superiors. Crush the rebellion on Imhotep or annihilate a pirate fleet within the next six months. Gain some Political Capital if you succeed, lose a huge quantity if you do not.
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- Location
- United States
You make a really good point. It's just that we really need to make sure our officers aren't constantly back-biting us before we take any major action, our current conundrum being a prime example of which. I'm fairly certain the person we'll be accepting will more more competent and loyal than the guttershit we're dealing with now, and will kinda-sorta get the governor invested in our success.
- Location
- St. Petersburg
Heh, don't I know it. I was really happy with how the blackmail option turned out.
But the officers are a minor nuisance, all things considered. What did the two of the disloyal ones do? Rat us to the Governor General, and try to file a report blaming the bad engagement on us to clear their name. It's unpleasant, and we need to stop that, but it is not really significant.
They are not the ones who are truly interested to see us crash and burn, because they will be a part of our failure, and possibly dead if we fail extra hard. So they will put sticks in our wheels, but I find outright sabotage to be unlikely. Not to mention dangerous.
The nobles not under our command are a bigger concern, but thankfully they aren't involved in our plans enough to meaningfully hamper them.
I think the loyalty issue will sort itself eventually (getting >25 Political Capital helped us quite a bit there), and should not be a major deterrent when it comes to our plans.
But the officers are a minor nuisance, all things considered. What did the two of the disloyal ones do? Rat us to the Governor General, and try to file a report blaming the bad engagement on us to clear their name. It's unpleasant, and we need to stop that, but it is not really significant.
They are not the ones who are truly interested to see us crash and burn, because they will be a part of our failure, and possibly dead if we fail extra hard. So they will put sticks in our wheels, but I find outright sabotage to be unlikely. Not to mention dangerous.
The nobles not under our command are a bigger concern, but thankfully they aren't involved in our plans enough to meaningfully hamper them.
I think the loyalty issue will sort itself eventually (getting >25 Political Capital helped us quite a bit there), and should not be a major deterrent when it comes to our plans.
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@Nevill The main 'perk' of having Baroness Sandra Arril on your team was that you can nominate champions to duel for you, you probably avoided quite a few duels in the past because you and her were an item and she is a renown killer. Having a duellist sent after you if you had pushed back against House Jamoor would certainly have been on the table but killing people in duels is pretty rare.
The more likely result is a loss of political capital and perhaps an extremity or two, putting you in hospital for a while. Wealthier nobles who duel a lot keep stocks of cloned arms and things but whilst you can afford that now it takes a few years to properly grow the bits and so you would need prosthetics (again).
The more likely result is a loss of political capital and perhaps an extremity or two, putting you in hospital for a while. Wealthier nobles who duel a lot keep stocks of cloned arms and things but whilst you can afford that now it takes a few years to properly grow the bits and so you would need prosthetics (again).
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Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
- Location
- United States
I don't want to become a noble, rather spend our wealth on useful shit. Then take over the Imperium by force, crown ourselves emperor, reform Government ala German Empire, free the serfs and bring standard of living up massively.
I want to do all of that too. I just think that we"ll have an easier time doing that if we're a noble. If we stay a commoner we're going to have to hope the Imperium collapses and no foreign power moves in while everyone else is fighting.
All of this and more will make it easier to take over as a noble than commoner. The longer we survive or prosper, the more every noble will see us as a threat. If we buy into the system we"ll have an easier time uprooting it from within.
Satar
Xetares, Third Redeemer; World Drinker
- Location
- Sesh
I see your point, but I'm worried that it'll harm our image amongst the people if we buy into the system. Also, I want to contact the NGO that gave NASP their advanced drives and try and convince them that supporting us will allow for a revolution that will better circumstances for everyone. If we're a noble, and part of that system, it might get tricky, but it's by no means impossible.
I'm going to adopt a wait-and-see attitude re: nobility. If it seems like it'd really help, we'll buy it. If not, a personal Battlecruiser sounds swell.
Not too much. We are still an ex peasant.
It won't hurt us that much so long as we play the populist war hero and not the socialist revolutionary. When I saw the name of our character and saw he has the highest Strategy score in the Imperium, I knew what we had to do. I want to spite the NASP and the nobility of the Imperium. I want us to become nobles for the perks and the legal benefits. It seems like commoners have almost no protection and nobles can do anything that doesn't warrant them being shot on the spot. For how advanced the setting is, these fucking nobles are so morally bankrupt. They have to be so hedonistic and degenerate to have that kind of protection and to suck out so much wealth out of 91% of the population. We need to gut this megacorp system and debt peonage. However, I don't want us to be a total traitor to the Imperium. Our character made and will continue to make his name fighting the NASP. We shouldn't become another NASP or their puppet state. I want us to become the Emperor and introduce reforms, but not introduce democracy above the lowest levels. If we can do it I want our character to marry a princess of the royal line to gain more legitimacy and by taking that away from them. But to do all of this, we have to play the game. We have to do everything we can to make ourselves untouchable.
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Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
- Location
- United States
See when i created our name, I referenced a good character for my ambitions. The morally bankrupt nobility only makes it more popular.