You Are: A sector admiral of a strained imperium.

[Snowfire]

This also depends on our "reinforcements" agreeing to work with us; they're not technically under our command.

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"Hey, I can offer you a chance at money and glory beating down the planet responsible for this attack, that will also force them to withdraw and quite probably fracture their links to the NASP allowing us to freely conquer them sometime down the line. Wanna come?"

Sure, we'll lose out on some of the Wealth cut, but I simply do not give a damn. The long term strategic implications if Chuang Mu splinters from the NASP after they refuse to go to open war for a single border system are immense.

 

[Dwergar]

Or we could just do it with our HC and the 3 HCs that arrived. I've already done the numbers and we are more than capable of taking that monitor out ourselves.

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Or we can have a go at that fleet group conveniently closer to home and with more ships.
Let viscountess - who probably isn't as broken as Strauss - to soak damage while taking these rogue ships either out or by sabre.

And can we call Arril and Jamoor to participate? Like, overal informal command of Strauss to not let them burn, while actual boarding of smaller vessels is carried out by their ships, letting them to quickly beef up their fleets.
They may even snag a capital or two for themselves - which probably would, along with tremendous PC gain for beating back callous pirates, get them to become our chaps.

 

[PeliusAnar]

except if we attack it will take them WEEKS get get back there, weeks during which we can slaughter their defenses which they will never get back forcing the BC's to stay there letting us reclaim IMHOtep.

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Umm, if you look at the map Imhotep is fairly close to Chuang-Mu. It wouldn't take weeks, since that was the time to get back to the Sector Capital of Ilam. Also after the headache of trying to get wealth off the last world we raided, I would rather stick to prizes. And capturing a Capital Ship is the best kind of prize. The Monitor will definitely hang back and not take risks with how safe they played it last time.

Our Strategy helps, but they likely have the same size fleet or bigger than we have, with 3 BBs as the cherry on top. And while our Tactics is great, against a fleet like that everyone else will get shot to shit even if Endeavor is dancing like a butterfly.

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Since they aren't our ships, that is a win/win.

"Hey, I can offer you a chance at money and glory beating down the planet responsible for this attack, that will also force them to withdraw and quite probably fracture their links to the NASP allowing us to freely conquer them sometime down the line. Wanna come?"

Sure, we'll lose out on some of the Wealth cut, but I simply do not give a damn. The long term strategic implications if Chuang Mu splinters from the NASP after they refuse to go to open war for a single border system are immense.

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They probably won't splinter. For all the talk, it could just be talk. Better to go after their military potential while it over extended.

 

[Rat King]

"Hey, I can offer you a chance at money and glory beating down the planet responsible for this attack, that will also force them to withdraw and quite probably fracture their links to the NASP allowing us to freely conquer them sometime down the line. Wanna come?"

Sure, we'll lose out on some of the Wealth cut, but I simply do not give a damn. The long term strategic implications if Chuang Mu splinters from the NASP after they refuse to go to open war for a single border system are immense.

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She could also decide to do her own thing or decide she's going to let us hang out to dry and then clean up after we splatter ourselves.

We'll have to see; I'm wary of committing to another raid and although the arguments are solid, I'm also considering what we might be able to do against the battleships sitting in our territory.

So I'm a toss-up.

 

[Forgothrax]

Since they aren't our ships, that is a win/win.

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... They're allies and them getting shot to shit by a bunch of battleships just means this ends with us down all our fleet except Endeavor and being forced to retreat. The weight of metal here against us is insane.

The only way I'd want a fleet battle if the ducal houses and those HCs contributed under our command. Even that would be bloody as hell.

 

[Rat King]

... They're allies and them getting shot to shit by a bunch of battleships just means this ends with us down all our fleet except Endeavor and being forced to retreat. The weight of metal here against us is insane.

The only way I'd want a fleet battle if the ducal houses and those HCs contributed under our command. Even that would be bloody as hell.

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I'm less interested in a fleet battle and more drawing off one or two of them and picking them off. But nothing is certain in war, etc.

 

[Snowfire]

They probably won't splinter. For all the talk, it could just be talk. Better to go after their military potential while it over extended.

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I don't think so. Direct democracies are...spontaneous like this. They're lashing out right now in the hopes that it'll make us back down. If we don't, then expect that minority calling for withdrawal from the NASP to substantially increase. Especially when NASP sector command has to be screaming at them for what they're currently doing precipitating open war on the frontier. If we can have the Governer make it clear to the NASP that if they pull support from Chuang Mu, we'll go along with their rogue action story, then I could see the NASP high command just cutting them loose to avoid another war I really don't think they want to fight.

 

[Mors]

[X] Harass. If you combine your ships with those of the newly arrived heavy cruiser squadron then you can try to pick apart the rogue fleet over Imhotep.

 

[Packrat]

To clarify on the current options, this is going to be what your 'main pitch' to the Viscountess and the Governor General will be as soon as you arrive, you will not just launch immediately off into it.

Instead the next update will involve things like expediting refit of your cruisers, or taking the Sword of Democracy into commission right now at a discounted cost in political capital. (This is rather an emergency). It is quite possible that you will have a battlecruiser available and ready for action in a week or two though that would require stripping some of your other vessels for personnel.

 

[Artificial Girl]

With that in mind:

[X] Harass. If you combine your ships with those of the newly arrived heavy cruiser squadron then you can try to pick apart the rogue fleet over Imhotep.

 

[Rat King]

[X] Harass. If you combine your ships with those of the newly arrived heavy cruiser squadron then you can try to pick apart the rogue fleet over Imhotep.

 

[Snowfire]

It is quite possible that you will have a battlecruiser available and ready for action in a week or two though that would require stripping some of your other vessels for personnel.

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EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

All of my YES!

 

[Forgothrax]

@Packrat in light of that information, can you try to give him some preliminary costs on the following:

1) PC to have a BC flagship transferred with us to a different assignment.

2) PC to avoid a "bad" posting (like, say, superintendent of strategy academy with no space time)

Please assume that we hold a share for the above.

 

[PeliusAnar]

@Packrat in light of that information, can you try to give him some preliminary costs on the following:

1) PC to have a BC flagship transferred with us to a different assignment.

2) PC to avoid a "bad" posting (like, say, superintendent of strategy academy with no space time)

Please assume that we hold a share for the above.

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Thank you for asking the questions that really matter and getting to the heart of it.

 

[Forgothrax]

Thank you for asking the questions that really matter and getting to the heart of it.

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....not sure if sarcasm.

But in all seriousness if we can reasonably keep the Sword of Democracy with us as our flagship between assignments and burn PC to avoid bad postings then buying it with PC, especially a discounted rate, is much more viable and will be important for planning. Among other things it makes a harassment campaign actually viable.

 

[Snowfire]

1) PC to have a BC flagship transferred with us to a different assignment.

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I'm going to take a guess that if we're nobility, taking us away from a BC command would be seen as poor form. Especially if we use it as well as we all know we're capable of doing so.

Adhoc vote count started by Snowfire on Sep 3, 2018 at 3:24 PM, finished with 2167 posts and 12 votes.

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  [X] Harass. If you combine your ships with those of the newly arrived heavy cruiser squadron then you can try to pick apart the rogue fleet over Imhotep.

  • tri2
  • Mors
  • Artificial Girl
  • Rat King
  • Terrafirma

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  [X] Raid Chuang Mu, Again. You can force these battleships off Imhotep if you threaten their home system in greater force.

  • hcvquizibo
  • SirLagginton
  • Forgothrax
  • Snowfire

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  [X] Their problem. The Imperial Fleet is exhausted. Now is the time for the Duchies to show their patriotism!

  • Alratan

 

[Terrafirma]

[X] Harass. If you combine your ships with those of the newly arrived heavy cruiser squadron then you can try to pick apart the rogue fleet over Imhotep.

 

[PeliusAnar]

....not sure if sarcasm.

But in all seriousness if we can reasonably keep the Sword of Democracy with us as our flagship between assignments and burn PC to avoid bad postings then buying it with PC, especially a discounted rate, is much more viable and will be important for planning. Among other things it makes a harassment campaign actually viable.

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I did give you a Like, so definitely being serious. For long term planning we have to have some idea how much PC we need to avoid bad ends. Getting our personal capital ship taken away again is unacceptable as is a poor posting. So we need enough to counter both of those, which is a big reason I wanted to avoid getting our first Capital Ship with PC, since we won't own it. Perhaps we could spend more PC/wealth to get it personally transferred to our ownership?

If the costs of avoiding a both bad options exceed 100 PC, that would be my tipping point of definitely no in terms of spending PC on a the Sword of Democracy.

 

[Gunman]

@Gunman with our PC at the current levels, can we afford to increase our Sector Budget sufficient to support another HC? I'd love a true capital ship at this point, but I understand if it might not be possible.

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Excluding the sector budget maintenance increase, it takes 110 Political Capital to maintain a battlecruiser. With the maintenance increase it needs 140 Political Capital. For a HC it takes 60 PC, 70 PC with increased maintenance.

 

[PeliusAnar]

Excluding the sector budget maintenance increase, it takes 110 Political Capital to maintain a battlecruiser. With the maintenance increase it needs 140 Political Capital.

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We are definitely not wasting PC on the Sector Budget. Ever. It is a waste. Better to use that to buy Shares or save up for important things.

 

[san]

Excluding the sector budget maintenance increase, it takes 110 Political Capital to maintain a battlecruiser. With the maintenance increase it needs 140 Political Capital.

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Ya but I am expecting us to lose some ships no matter what happens, plus emergency, we should be able to get an increased sector budget for cheaper as a result of this if we tell them we can handle this ourselves if they do.

 

[Dwergar]

If the costs of avoiding a both bad options exceed 100 PC, that would be my tipping point of definitely no in terms of spending PC on a the Sword of Democracy.

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If we live past Imhotep debacle, we could just buy out Sword of Democracy our of the fleet with our wealth and use the "overflowing" sector budget to expedite the shit out of fleet repairs.
And possibly commission another ship or two.

If we take SoD for a spin, I think we definitely should strip Hawk, Harpy and Whippet - also, possibly, Peregrine and/or Cirrus.
Take Wison, Scolly and Ranca with us on SoD, promote Adald to captain and get him Lyna Ryante as XO.
If Peregrine is benched (Hopefully not), assign officers to Settler and Cirrus. If not, get some fresh commanders for them.

 

[Snowfire]

Excluding the sector budget maintenance increase, it takes 110 Political Capital to maintain a battlecruiser. With the maintenance increase it needs 140 Political Capital. For a HC it takes 60 PC

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So assuming we can get the Sword at a discount...yeah, we'd need to rake in some serious PC in the rest of this turn to make it viable. I still think that that's doable, however, and if we can get a BC I'd be marginally confident in hitting the ships above Imhotep for that sweet, sweet PC that defeating/driving off three battleship would net. My desire to fuck with Chaung Mu is still high, but the need to push up our budget to cover maintenance is a concern. And this would require that we buy our Share with Wealth, given I can't see us being allowed to command a BC for any great period longer without one.

 

[Packrat]

@Packrat in light of that information, can you try to give him some preliminary costs on the following:

1) PC to have a BC flagship transferred with us to a different assignment.

2) PC to avoid a "bad" posting (like, say, superintendent of strategy academy with no space time)

Please assume that we hold a share for the above.

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1) To keep your ship between assignments? I figure about a quarter of its cost if you are transferring to another command where a battlecruiser would be an appropriate flag vessel, half otherwise. Full cost would be if you get put in command of a fortress or a fleet academy or similar where you might only have patrol cutters or old corvettes under your command.

2) A lot depends on the current situation. If there is a full on war then you likely do not need to worry about that at all with your current track record. Also do not dismiss academy superintendent as a bad posting! It could be a way to print infinite Political Capital. A bad posting would be being sent to command a deep space fleet base on a peaceful border. Mostly this comes down to your current Political Capital, if you keep it at 100+ then you are not going to get a bad posting, if it dips, then you might have to spend 50 points (possibly going negative) to avoid it.

Also if you buy ships with political capital then you can expect to get about 1/2 of the budget increase required to maintain them in active service, the reason that you have not received this for previous ships is that you were still bringing your fleet back up to the strength it was supposed to be. Remember you had about 1/3 of your ships transferred away before you arrived without a budget cut.

To add, you cannot buy the Sword of Democracy with wealth, the navy bought her. You got half the cash they paid in doing so.

 

[Snowfire]

I think the answers above just made getting the Sword viable, assuming the discount on it is high enough. Grab our first Share with Wealth and increase the Sector Budget as we can - 70 to cover the maintenance payment. Assuming, idk, a 30% decrease to the cost of the Sword due to emergency...that's 147 PC needed. We currently have 237, so all we need is another 10 to stay at 100 PC. I'd expect that either of our offensive options should give us that and more.

In this case, I'd probably still argue to hit Chuang Mu again, to replenish our Wealth stocks and work strategic coalition fracturing magic, but that's me.

Edit: also means we can give our political captain an Elite crewed HC.