Xianxia Encompassing the World! (Xianxia Rec Discussion and Idea thread)

Oh, hm. Misremembered where the explanation was. I thought it came from Abby in the beginning, not from the post incursion talk. Oh well, it's not like the ancient history has had any relevance to story events so far. I mostly wanted to get the xianxia parts explained since we're in the xianxia thread.

As for all the system quests and such, it annoys me because it removes most sense of adventure, it's just slingshotting from one demand of the system or another because the MC has very little choice. As you said, even if it's "optional", he has to keep getting stronger given the current environment. We've got a whole new planet to explore,eventually other planets, the rest of the universe, other universes, etc. If the system plans on leading everybody by the nose the entire time that'll get real annoying real quick. While I don't doubt people continue to get quests even later on, I would hope they decrease in frequency and urgency.

One thing that gives me hope is that higher level cultivators can circumvent the system in some manners. Greatest temporarily shielding an area from its influence, even as a clone. Various powers influencing getting slots for incursions. The Great Redeemer managing to influence uncontacted/newly integrated planets that should be protected.

If the system is a training system determined to create the strongest individuals possible, then presumably as they grow stronger it just has less and less to offer them, and they even reach the point where they even begin outgrowing it in some areas.
 
Has anyone recommended the manga Heresy yet? It follows our main protagonist, a poor disciple from a barely accepted powerful demonic sect, as he learn about the world around him and its politics. The world-building is truly great, and the story isn't bogged down by the cultivation system and the MC progression taking all its focus, preferring to show the world and it's characters. Heresy doesn't totally reject typical xianxia storytelling since the protagonist has a fortunate encounter early on, this one adds to the work instead of being an excuse for why the MC is stronger and more special than everybody else. Personally, it has a different feel than typical xianxias. I greatly recommend it.
 
Has anyone recommended the manga Heresy yet? It follows our main protagonist, a poor disciple from a barely accepted powerful demonic sect, as he learn about the world around him and its politics. The world-building is truly great, and the story isn't bogged down by the cultivation system and the MC progression taking all its focus, preferring to show the world and it's characters. Heresy doesn't totally reject typical xianxia storytelling since the protagonist has a fortunate encounter early on, this one adds to the work instead of being an excuse for why the MC is stronger and more special than everybody else. Personally, it has a different feel than typical xianxias. I greatly recommend it.

How does it handle characters, are they at least somewhat multidimensional and interesting or are they the typical one dimensional assholes or idiots you see far to often. What about the MC, is he your standard murder hobo who kills anybody who ever looked at him funny or does he posses some interesting and positive traits. What is his motivation and how is the rest of the cast handled, like is it recycled every arc or actually progresses alongside him and stays relevant. Speaking of recycling, what about the overall plot. Does it follow your typical model of transporting the MC to another realm every few hundred pages so he can start out fresh from the bottom or is there more to it?
 
Lord of Mysteries. Also called "Lord of the Mysteries" but that sounds stupid so whatever. Transmigrant from China is dropped into Victorian-ish Britain-like country.

One of the top webnovels I've ever read (which isn't necessarily saying much, but still). It has an actual setting where being in a different location means things are actually different, not just different people and a different name. People of different countries act different and even drink different alcohol. For webnovels, that's extremely astounding.

The power system is interesting, in that there's actual mystery about it. Not everyone advances in the same way, and not everyone immediately knows how to advance: which potion ingredients you'll need, which ceremony you'll need to consume, how long it'll take before you can consume the potion with any degree of safety.

I'd honestly really recommend this. The trans panic is extremely cringey but mercifully rare, and then in later chapters there's a trans person who shows up for one chapter who hasn't shown up later so maybe that'll improve. Who knows.
Just binged the thing over the past week. Agreed, one of the best webnovels I've read.

Power system is indeed interesting. It's not cultivation certianly, since it's Victorian analogue setting rather than an ancient Chinese one, but the xianxia-esque inspiration is clear. Discrete stages of escalating power starting from mortal limits moving towards the godlike. The general power level is a lot lower than a lot of xianxia, the low stages especially. Especially when people have guns as in this setting. The use of distinct powers instead of just throwing around generic energy blasts and hitting things is interesting. It is also interesting that the MC went with a more thinking/planning-oriented path rather than one that just brute forces things. Introduces a lot more intrigue in the way he does things which fits well with the story.
I'll keep the mechanics in this section at the base-level generally known by most people in-story minus a couple of the additional intricacies and secrets mentioned later.

So the people in the power system here are called "Beyonders". To become a Beyonder you consume a potion, and you advance up the strength ladder by consuming a further series of potions. There are twenty-two linear pathways, and you generally have to consume potions corresponding to your pathway. Each pathway starts "Sequence 9", advancing up to "Sequence 1". Sequence 9 and 8 are considered low-level. Sequence 7 used to be low level, but in the modern days is considered part of the mid-sequence alongside 6 and 5. Sequence 4 through 1 are considered demi-gods. Each time you move up a sequence you pick up a few new specific tricks unique to that sequence, as well as improvements to all existing abilities. Kind of like job advancements in an RPG. Naturally there are less as you go up the chain, as is the same with any Xianxia setting.

Low-sequence are barely human+. They get a couple neat tricks, but unless they are physically inclined pathway a normal person can put them down with a gun. Some low-sequences have zero combat applicable powers and negligible physical gains. Mid-sequence have a lot more tricks, such that even if a bullet could theoretically still kill them, it is extremely difficult to actually hit them with it for whatever reasons. You could theoretically still do it though, and artillery is likely effective if you want to just blow up the entire building they're in. At these levels it's also possible for people to skip levels and kill someone above them if they have help in a group or preparation and advantages. Demi-gods though would be extremely difficult for anyone to fight unless they also have an equivalent power on their side.

Basic forms of magic also exist, but they are mostly ritualistic. Different sequences also have varying degrees of affinity for aspects of these. Most of it is not applicable mid-combat since they're ritualistic, but they're helpful for making things or gaining information ahead of time. Most forms of magic involving praying to gods or similar entities in order to power them.

Each potion generally has two "main ingredients" and a number of auxiliary ingredients. Brewing process is not complicated, generally just throw it all together. Auxiliary ingredients can be approximate with their amounts, and at lower levels can often be regularish stuff. Main ingredients come from more magical sources, usually creatures, and you should be as exact as possible with the amount, erring slightly on having a tiny bit less if you need to but never more. Higher level potions will also require different rituals to be performed, each one of course unique to that pathway/sequence.

Major organizations will have one or two pathways they have all the potion formulas and some ingredients for. If you want a different pathway, or if you are unaffiliated, then it is significantly more difficult to get your hands on them. Low level potion formulas are floating around enough that you can find sequence 9s and 8s here and there of many pathways, but they are very expensive for the average person, not to mention the main ingredients as well.

Everything has a drawback. Story has been mentioned to draw some inspiration from Cthulhu mythos? It's all very Eldritch-esque. Each pathway is under the control of one or more gods or similarly powerful existences. Each of these gods or high level beyonders can exert some influence on those in their pathway, and one should never look directly at a god or they will go mad. Madness is something intrinsic to the power system and if somebody fails to be properly compatible with their potion they can go insane or mutate into a monster. Most people spend years adjusting to their potion before trying to advance or they will certainly lose control by advancing too early.

There are of course also magical items in the setting. All of 'em are varying levels of cursed. If the negative effects are acceptable enough people will use them individually. If they're too terrible then the official organizations usually lock them up and deem them "Sealed Artifacts". Sealed Artifacts are very SCP-esque, with numerical designations that also indicate danger level, each with specific sealing procedures and conditions with which they can be used.

I particularly like the characters in this novel. I like pretty much all of them, they all feel like people. Even just random tramps off the street feel fleshed out. It really ends up hurting whenever people die, or even if circumstances just force them apart from the MC. When we get glimpses or mentions of these characters again it's often very poignant. Even people that have died or stopped being relevant hundreds of chapters ago make me feel this mix of happiness and sadness when they come up again.

The trans stuff, ah, yeah. Rather unfortunate that the sequence pathway that causes that is related to an evil organization. The person NMR mentioned in that comment has since shown up again as hoped, and that person was far more sympathetic, but the eventual outcome was not great. Apparently Chinese censors have also meddled a few times that have caused some edits to the story? I imagine nothing really great is ever going to come of this topic in this story especially if censors are sticking their fingers in. In general though the portrayal of how it is in this story is more restrained than I would expect in a Chinese story, especially since it's tied to an evil organization. It isn't a huge plot point at any rate, doesn't show up that often.
See above spoiler for general mechanics of power system first.

So there are two pathways that will change the gender of the user, the "Demoness" pathway is the relevant one. It will turn the user into a girl if they were not one already at one of the earlier/mid stages. The other one will turn the user into a guy at a much later stage and it hasn't been relevant yet.

As each pathway is under the purview of a god, they are essentially advancing to become more and more like the god as they move up, gaining similar traits. The Demoness pathway includes a trait of femininity hence the genderbending as they move to become closer in resemblance to the Primordial Demoness. That other pathway similarly also probably includes a trait of masculinity. Also as the pathway's name implies, it's quite an evil one. There's a lot of murder associated with the lower sequences, and there's a lot of fucking in the middle sequences. While the sex change is technically a side effect not directly related to the other traits of the pathway, and the characters mostly take issue with all the murder rather than the sex-change itself, it's not a great association that the guys who become a girl go around murdering people and seducing guys into bed with them.

The MC had a few encounters early on with a couple of demonesses. During an investigation he even divined a past instance of one of them having sex with a guy and didn't know the truth until later. He was rather weirded out that the first "porn" he watched in this new world involved a man and another former man. He is slightly traumatized in that when he sees pretty women later he occasionally is taken aback at first with the instinctive reaction that they might have been a man. It honestly doesn't show up that often and the main character isn't that hung up on it except when directly interacting with one of them.

Anyways, so most of the beyonders of the demoness pathway encountered are of course acting in a way true to their name. Lots of murder and fucking, generally bad people. Seems some of them also didn't know it would genderbend them when they first started on the path, but kept going with it anyways for power and rolled with the punches. One early on was sleeping her way around the local politicians and murdering people. One actually retained a preference for women but was pretty rapey (also murdery because of their occupation). The one whose growth we follow along started off as a pretty awful person with lots of murder, did some seducing part way, but has actually shown a more human side lately. Still an awful person even if they managed to fall in love with one of their targets. The higher level ones seen later on are far enough removed from their origins that the genderbending/trans stuff isn't really mentioned or relevant at all with regards to them, but they are definitely evil and murdery.

The last person who I mentioned above the spoiler section and also by previous poster was a more positive example. Started as a gay guy, not great in in a Victorian setting era, learning of a potion that could turn him into a woman and therefore "legitimize" his relations with men sounded great to him. Unclear if they was also trans originally or just wanted to be able to be with men openly, side character so we didn't go too deep into that, I assume so given how eager they were for it. They got tricked into this whole thing as a pawn to greater schemes, and went with seemingly acceptable targets along the way while actually showing a conscience. Once a woman she genuinely just wanted to find a good guy and settle down, have children. She died tragically. No good ends here.

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Should also mention that this is a transmigration story. MC was a Chinese guy from Earth, Zhou Mingrui transmigrating into Klein Moretti. Unlike most transmigrators, he didn't die or anything before crossing over, and he does want to go home. Story doesn't go into specifics, but he did have friends and family, it isn't like he has nothing to return to.

It is interesting that the transmigration is also somewhat plot relevant. This shows up very early on so I don't consider it a spoiler: He is not the first transmigrator. When he is initially getting introduced to all the magical bullshit, he gets shown two diary pages from an Emperor from a couple centuries back. They are written in simplified Chinese, a language nobody on this planet knows. That Emperor also plagiarized the shit out of popular works and sayings from Earth. It's hilarious whenever Klein tries to act smart only for Roselle to have pre-empted him.
So Klein initially just goes after Roselle's diary pages as an easy way to gain high level knowledge nobody else can make use of. The special ability Klein has is also suspected to be related. But for most of the story it isn't otherwise a huge deal.

Until later.

Klein finds out that he is not the second transmigrator, he is the third. Furthermore, he is potentially not the last. He finds an "area" with tons of people from Earth, all asleep, all hibernating. Roselle was two hundred years before him. The first transmigrator even longer. How long was he asleep? Does he even have anything to go back to on Earth?

And that's just the obvious answer. One comment I saw posited, with the powers shown so far was Earth even truly real? Did Zhou Mingrui really even exist? Though this theory is only conjecture.

The deepening mystery is exciting. The sheer number of "successors" lined up for after Klein are especially unnerving. Why did the transmigration happen? What is the goal here?
 
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Roselle is a goddamn gigachad.

The gag came to its logical conclusion once Klein started preemptively saying it's a quote from Emperor Roselle after quoting/referencing anything profound from Earth.

But yeah, Roselle was a boss. Didn't come to any good end though, as is par for the course for this story.

A copycat story called Lord of Mystics has been written by the Plagiarizer - same guy who ripped off Age of Adepts to write Warlock in a Magus World. I'm holding off reading it until LotM finishes since I know it's going to be a cheap knock-off.
 
Roselle is a goddamn gigachad.
The gag came to its logical conclusion once Klein started preemptively saying it's a quote from Emperor Roselle after quoting/referencing anything profound from Earth.

But yeah, Roselle was a boss. Didn't come to any good end though, as is par for the course for this story.
Well, after the gag hitting its comedic conclusion it then ascended and became serious when it was revealed the true reason behind why he did it so extensively. I enjoy the story providing reasonable in-story explanations for things like that. e.g. the several explanations for coincidences happening.
 
The gag came to its logical conclusion once Klein started preemptively saying it's a quote from Emperor Roselle after quoting/referencing anything profound from Earth.

But yeah, Roselle was a boss. Didn't come to any good end though, as is par for the course for this story.

A copycat story called Lord of Mystics has been written by the Plagiarizer - same guy who ripped off Age of Adepts to write Warlock in a Magus World. I'm holding off reading it until LotM finishes since I know it's going to be a cheap knock-off.

Huh, Warlock in a Magus World was a rip-off? I remember reading that for a while before dropping it... I assume Age of Adepts is better?
 
Huh, Warlock in a Magus World was a rip-off? I remember reading that for a while before dropping it... I assume Age of Adepts is better?

While the author is happy to plagiarize settings and worldbuilding, he only ever writes one kind of story (and one kind of protagonist) from what I hear - so A0A and WoMW are fundamentally different stories. Both had glaring flaws but AoA was better if I remember it right. It just had very slow translation and I never finished it.

Actually now that I think about it I think there was another story called The Wizard World which was the 'inspiration' for both AoA and WotMW, it just wasn't any good. It was some kind of plagiarization triangle.
 
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they're basically all about people who build spells in their souls with a digital chip golden finger, are evil, and loot other planes for power
honestly none of them are really all that compelling mostly because of basically everyone having the exact same powercentric mindset of hur dur power who cares about those weak people in the MC's faction and then they always beat the "morally good" guys from other planes because lolefficiency or whatever
 
I jusjust finished A Mortal Journey to Immortality sequel!

All 1400+ chapters!

All of them mtled!

God I suck :(

But I regret nothing!
 
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Is it that engaging of a story, or are you that desperate for reading material in these troubled times? :p

Well.

For a wuxia story it IS good!

No rapes, no super harems, no asshole am gonna kill you and all your country and their pets for looking at me sideways protag, no everybody dies just to saw how awesome the protag endgame.

I had started it a while ago and the whole covid thing gave and excuse.

Now. Should I pick up Library of Heavens path again now that it is like 1500 chapters ahead or start on one of the comedy ones...

Choices, badly translated choices :p
 
Well.

For a wuxia story it IS good!

No rapes, no super harems, no asshole am gonna kill you and all your country and their pets for looking at me sideways protag, no everybody dies just to saw how awesome the protag endgame.

I had started it a while ago and the whole covid thing gave and excuse.

Now. Should I pick up Library of Heavens path again now that it is like 1500 chapters ahead or start on one of the comedy ones...

Choices, badly translated choices :p

I... put down Library of Heaven's Path at some point as well. It just got too... well, it for me.

Don't get me wrong - a story about a cultivation teacher would definitely be my jam. And Library's gimmick is kind of interesting, with mystical cross-referencing of texts. It's just not really treated in a particularly interesting way, and it feels like the protagonist is just strolling along plot-wise.

One thing I liked about History Number 1 Founder (completed at 1486 - need to get around to finish it soon) is that while the title character does indeed go about overpowering enemies and such, there's a good amount of focus on his students, his students' students and so on (although it gets a bit hard to keep track of everyone later on). The founder's role is more to make sure they don't get bushwhacked by enemies way above them, teaching them his sect's scripture and giving gifts every once in a while.

Library of Heaven's Path... doesn't really feel that way. Or, at least, it didn't to the point I dropped it. Maybe it improves though.


Lessee... Talisman Emperor devolved into fairly standard fare, but I enjoyed it - and the protagonist wasn't too aggressive, currently at chapter 1856. Sovereign of the Three Realms seems to be heading towards the end-game at chapter 2368, and I've still liked it. I believe The Great Ruler finished, although I got stuck at 1535 due to it heading into 'premium' territory after being completed. It's Not Easy is north of 1000 - and I found that one enjoyable. Cultivation Chat Group is up to 1200 or so. Seeking the Flying Sword Path completed - and that one had a protagonist I genuinely liked (and even delved a bit into teaching towards the end).

(you may have read some of the above already)
 
Library of Heaven's Path was boring.

History's Number 1 Founder had serious problems as well, but as CircleTheSkies said, it did at least put a fair amount of focus on the student's stories.
 
Heh yea Sovereign of the three realms was nice although it had its - and your little dog!- moments, I have started and probably should pick up again the number one founder, Talisman Emperor and cultivation chat group.

Will check out the rest of those as well.

Hum now that I think on it I should probably go finish Amber Sword as well. I really enjoyed it but could not follow it at all in Mtl after chap 600 or so.

Will probably try one of the stay at home dad ones as well. Sound properly funny
 
Just wanted to say, I'm still reading Ave Xia Rem Y, and it continues to be absolutely, adorably awesome.

Hero begins very young, story progresses slowly. To be clearer, when I say "slowly", I mean we're currently on Chapter 56, and the protagonist is 12. At the start of the story, he was 7. There's a fair bit of slice of life worked in with the standard xianxia power curve. The characters are well-made. It's a world with a lot of baked-in xianxia cultural tropes, but the individual people live in that world in much the way a normal person in their role would live in that world. I'm not quire sure how to explain it, but basically, you can look at just about any character and say "Ah. Okay. I see where that person is coming from."

Also, also... the filial piety. Oh, my goodness, the glorious, glorious filial piety. I don't really know how to even explain it.

There are xianxia that are tolerable, if you can swallow the toxicity. There are xianxia that manage to dodge most of the toxicity, and can be kind of fun in a "vicarious climb up the power curve" sort of way until they hit the point where they go bad and you have to stop. This xianxia is good. It is legitimately good writing about a cultivator in a xianxia world. If you are on this thread, you should do yourself a favor and read it (assuming you haven't done so already).
 
It's kinda sad that Arrogant Young Master seems to have come to a halt. You could sort of tell that the author was losing after the big blowout.

I guess that shows one of the primary qualities of 'successful' webnovel authors: they can keep pushing chapters out even when their stories have come to a natural conclusion or narrative momentum grinds to a halt.
 
It's kinda sad that Arrogant Young Master seems to have come to a halt. You could sort of tell that the author was losing after the big blowout.

I guess that shows one of the primary qualities of 'successful' webnovel authors: they can keep pushing chapters out even when their stories have come to a natural conclusion or narrative momentum grinds to a halt.
No, they apparently had more chapters written; they were having power issues for a few days, which delayed one of the chapters by a couple of hours, and then they haven't been on at all since.
 
No, they apparently had more chapters written; they were having power issues for a few days, which delayed one of the chapters by a couple of hours, and then they haven't been on at all since.
That's good news. I remember reading about power issues, but that was a while ago. Have there been any updates since?

TBH, when the author doesn't log on for a few weeks, experience tells me it's more likely because they ran into writer's block than it is that they haven't been able to access the internet for whole weeks at a time. Thing might be a little different now though. I remember reading that the author was Turkish. I don't recall hearing anything about how things in Turkey are that bad, but I haven't heard that much from that country. If things are so bad that the author hasn't had access to electricity and/or the internet for two straight weeks, then this story is the least of our concern.
 
That's good news. I remember reading about power issues, but that was a while ago. Have there been any updates since?

TBH, when the author doesn't log on for a few weeks, experience tells me it's more likely because they ran into writer's block than it is that they haven't been able to access the internet for whole weeks at a time. Thing might be a little different now though. I remember reading that the author was Turkish. I don't recall hearing anything about how things in Turkey are that bad, but I haven't heard that much from that country. If things are so bad that the author hasn't had access to electricity and/or the internet for two straight weeks, then this story is the least of our concern.
Yes, they're Turkish. There's been nothing from them on the discord since:
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I'm not doing announcements because this is pretty good as fire and forget. Will still do weekly announcements though for those that want to read weekly.
chapters were released in good order, sooo, I'm out! gnight! 😄
 
So here's an idea.

One of the core concepts of the Xianxia mythos is that everything improves.
A person that is higher up the chain will be generally stronger, smarter, more spiritually developed and more longevity.
There are specific exceptional growths in various areas, but they'll only have a significant penalty if they have some horrible injury or flawed cultivation.

What if that wasn't intrinsically part of the system?

Imagine this scenario.
  • Some person starts practicing martial arts, driving his body far beyond human limits
    • This makes him strong and fast, but it also puts a huge strain on his body, prematurely aging him and reducing his expected lifespan to ~40 years old
  • Then, once he reaches some threshold, he changes his cultivation and reinforces his body
    • This improves his regeneration, de-ages him, and increases his lifespan to ~200 years, but takes away most of his exceptional strength and speed
  • Then his develops his spiritual power, gaining magical abilities
    • But the power is unstable and will tear him apart in 100 years
  • He consolidates his spiritual power, reducing what he can output, but extending his lifespan to 400 years
  • Repeat for mental abilities, gaining and losing memory and thinking power at the cost of mental stability
  • Then go back to physical, leveraging the extra mental and spiritual gains to reach even greater heights

You could also imagine people experimenting with skipping cultivating parts, or trying to cultivate multiple parts, with limited success.

There are a several advantages of a partial cultivation system.
It makes the world much more heterogeneous since any given person might be cultivating different parts.
It would tie the cultivators into social groups as they require allies to protect them on the consolidation stage.
It would place another consideration on how quickly you can advance beyond just resources, you also have to consider the timing and context.
A person might be a genius at one type of cultivation and overtaken in the next cycle.
The MC would have very different solutions to problems as their abilities change wildly from one cycle to the next.

The MC would have all sorts of character development as they become smarter/dumber/more enlightened/less enlightened, which is distinct from many Xianxia novels where they declare that the MC has suddenly become a genius, even as he keeps on doing the same dumb shit.
 
So here's an idea.

One of the core concepts of the Xianxia mythos is that everything improves.
A person that is higher up the chain will be generally stronger, smarter, more spiritually developed and more longevity.
There are specific exceptional growths in various areas, but they'll only have a significant penalty if they have some horrible injury or flawed cultivation.

What if that wasn't intrinsically part of the system?

Imagine this scenario.
  • Some person starts practicing martial arts, driving his body far beyond human limits
    • This makes him strong and fast, but it also puts a huge strain on his body, prematurely aging him and reducing his expected lifespan to ~40 years old
  • Then, once he reaches some threshold, he changes his cultivation and reinforces his body
    • This improves his regeneration, de-ages him, and increases his lifespan to ~200 years, but takes away most of his exceptional strength and speed
  • Then his develops his spiritual power, gaining magical abilities
    • But the power is unstable and will tear him apart in 100 years
  • He consolidates his spiritual power, reducing what he can output, but extending his lifespan to 400 years
  • Repeat for mental abilities, gaining and losing memory and thinking power at the cost of mental stability
  • Then go back to physical, leveraging the extra mental and spiritual gains to reach even greater heights

You could also imagine people experimenting with skipping cultivating parts, or trying to cultivate multiple parts, with limited success.

There are a several advantages of a partial cultivation system.
It makes the world much more heterogeneous since any given person might be cultivating different parts.
It would tie the cultivators into social groups as they require allies to protect them on the consolidation stage.
It would place another consideration on how quickly you can advance beyond just resources, you also have to consider the timing and context.
A person might be a genius at one type of cultivation and overtaken in the next cycle.
The MC would have very different solutions to problems as their abilities change wildly from one cycle to the next.

The MC would have all sorts of character development as they become smarter/dumber/more enlightened/less enlightened, which is distinct from many Xianxia novels where they declare that the MC has suddenly become a genius, even as he keeps on doing the same dumb shit.
Well, from a practical "writing xianxia" standpoint, the fact that your character capabilities keep changing dramatically might make it more challenging to write, and the fact that he keeps abandoning previous heights of power, and actually depending on others, is going to be problematic from a "appealing to the pure power fantasy" standpoint. Once you get past the Doylist side, though....

It's interesting, certainly. I think *particularly* interesting here is how far you go on each stage. basically, each stage is a matter of first converting stability and lifespan into power, and then converting power into stability and lifespan, and making a profit overall (though you do spend time doing it, which means that you're always spending that lifespan too). One of the questions, then, is how far you go, and how far you come back, and how efficient it is, and how long it takes. All of that is going to be a matter of cultivation art, talent, drugs taken, and so forth.

For example, in the Three Deadly Demons school, the practitioner is expected to pick one area in which to excel (depending on their talents). Let's say you get a guy who'e specializing in physicality. He cranks his physical training all the way up, taking himself dangerously close to the lifespan edge (possibly using some secret forbidden techniques to even let him walk *over* the edge), before cultivating back in the other direction enough to not tear himself apart, and give himself enough lifespan for the next step, still leaving him fairly swole. Then he cultivates spiritual power, and again rockets up as far as his lifespan will let him go, but this time he cultivates it back basically down to nothing, reaping significant lifespan benefits. Finally, he does the same in mental - up crazy-far, then back down to almost nothing. Now you have a guy with a lot of mental stability, a lot of spiritual stability, plenty of lifespan, and major physical prowess (though not so much regen). He does this through a few more cycles, and winds up as a physical powerhouse that no standard cultivator can match. Of course, on the mental or spiritual battlefields he's very weak in some ways, but that's why they go around in matched teams of three.

On the flip side, the Wise Elder school takes a much slower path to power, with cultivation techniques that take longer, but are much more efficient at converting both to and from Power in all three realms, and they pretty much convert all the way back down every time. It is a point of pride for them how little out-of-phase Power they have at any one time - as far as they are concerned, Power still left in the system is wasted, and is Lifespan that you can't convert out the next cycle. Their cultivation style takes a significant period of time, but they wind up extraordinarily durable in all three areas, and their peak power is pretty impressive too. Essentially, they drain every scrap of improvement they can out of every cycle. On the other hand, they pretty much don't leave the sect - the thing that keeps them all safe is that at any given time, there's guaranteed to be a few sect elders who are in the Power side of the cycle, to defend the rest. From that sect, even the thousand-year-old fifth-cycle Ancient Master, with a 30,000 year expected lifespan, can still lose in a fistfight to some young sprout, if he's not in the right point in his cultivation.
 
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Related to this, I've been toying with the idea of a system where the focus is actually on immortality and not gaining ever more power by having these trade off against each other.

What I came up with is: you have a pool of Qi that increases linearly over time. In it's raw state, the only thing you can really do with it is undirected energy blasts, but over time it's possible to construct channels and internal structures that allow your Qi to do more complicated and nuanced techniques. The crucial part is these structures are themselves made up of Qi and so count against the size of your Qi pool and reduce the amount of Qi you have available to actually power your techniques. A complicated technique is never directly more powerful then an energy blast, just more efficient at it's intended purpose.

Most of the variance in cultivation paths is in what techniques you build into yourself, with every sect having their own developments. Usually the most complicated (and therefore expensive) technique learned is life extension, which takes up ever more Qi capacity as you extend your lifespan further, and one crucial decision to make is how much to devote to immortality vs techniques that grant power.

In this model, an ancient master might only have a small amount of Qi left over to actually power their techniques, while younger cultivators can throw around much more power as long as they're willing to accept the shorter lifespan that results. Optionally, it could be possible to burn down part of your cultivation base to recover the Qi committed to it, giving the ancient master great power that they dare not use because it would mean giving up their greatly extended lifespan.

Probably actual immortality is something of a pipe dream in this world, and the best life extension techniques are not well known due to the difficulty in testing them.
 
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