Xandificer. Xander as an Artificer.

"Have you ever, willfully, because you wanted to and not for reasons of being magically compelled: hurt, killed, or stolen from anybody ever in your existence?"

Shaking her head emphatically she stammers out "N-no, never!"
That's a very interesting response. I find it highly unlikely she made it to age 9 without ever hurting anyone or stealing anything. Without seriously hurting someone and without stealing anything of significant value, sure, but children hurt each other and filch cookies all the time. On the other hand, that obviously wasn't what Alexis meant by the question. The fact that she's able to answer 'no' implies the Zone of Truth works on her understanding of the question rather than compelling literal truth. That's a powerful advantage - it probably means ZoT is immune to the 'Truthful fact presented deceptively' trick - but does mean you need to be careful about phrasing your questions to avoid misinterpretation or false assumptions.


'Homunculus' is the singular; the plural is 'homunculi'. Also, it's not a proper noun, so it shouldn't be capitalized.


Second, if all the weight of the structure is offloaded to another dimension, but the volume of the structure is still in this dimension, the effective density of the structure is going to be tiny. Infinitesimal. It is going to float like a helium balloon, since it's wildly less dense than air. And to keep it from floating away is going to require active effort, since you can't just add ballast; the weight of the ballast will vanish and the volume won't, so adding extra ballast just makes the thing float more. You've either got to tether it to something solid, which is tricky on the ocean, or have some kind of engine constantly pushing down to counteract the buoyancy. (How are you attaching these portable holes to the steel plates that are attached to the flying carpets, anyhow? Because I suppose the carpets could provide the downward force, but if the attachment isn't pretty stout, the structure with the holes is just going to take off for the sky without them. And if the carpet isn't strong enough to lift the normal-weight structure under Pylea's gravity, it's likely not strong enough to hold the zero-weight structure down against the upward force exerted by Pylea's atmosphere, regardless of how well attached it is. Making this thing fly is not the hard part; stopping it from flying will be the trick.
This is all based on an incorrect assumption: the potable hole trick doesn't offload the weight of the structure; it offloads the force of gravity. The structure (with the possible exception of the part that is physically within the hole) is still subject to gravity, which generates a downwards force; this force is transmitted through the support beam, into the anchor inside the hole, and ultimately into the walls of the hole itself. So, for example, buoyancy isn't a problem; buoyancy will produce a small upwards force, but, since the structure is denser than air, this force will be much less than that of gravity; the net force will still be strongly downward, and will still be transmitted into the hole. (Conversely, if the structure were lighter than air, e.g. a helium balloon, the net force would be upwards, and would try to pull the anchor out of the hole instead.)

Third, sheer strain on the support when this thing starts moving horizontally under power will be nasty. I don't want to do that math.
Actually, other than overcoming air resistance, the horizontal force will be zero. The whole point of the exercise is that forces do not transmit between the walls of the hole and the external anchor; that's why the inside of the hole can support the force of gravity from the whole structure while the flying carpet only has to support the weight of the metal-plate-with-a-portable-hole-on-it. As far as the structure is concerned, it isn't accelerating at all; it's the rest of the world which is moving. So if the carpet is flying 50km/h, the support beam and anchor need to handle the force from a 50km/h wind, but that's it.

... which, incidentally, means Alexis was wrong about needing to keep the weight down in order to let the carpet accelerate quickly. Consider the carpet being ridden normally: when the carpet tries to move, it generates a force which is applied to itself and, assuming they are holding on tight, the passengers. Acceleration = Force / Mass, so if you add more mass, it will accelerate slower. But, in this case, the structure isn't supported by the carpet; it's supported by the inside of the hole, and forces cannot transfer from the carpet to the hole. So when the carpet starts moving, one of two things must happen: either the structure does not move at all - in which case the whole idea is dead in the water - or the structure moves along with it without any force being applied to it - in which case the mass of the structure is irrelevant. Of course, the the carpet isn't really moving the structure at all: at all times the structure remains stationary relative to the inside of the hole, and the carpet is simply moinvg the point in the outside world where the hole happens to be.


That assumption hospitalizes altar boys every year. Holy water, at least the Christian variety (which is what D&D holy water is cribbed from) must be capable of supporting life in order to be eligible to be blessed. All life. Chlorinated tap water tap isn't eligible, for example. Water that is eligible almost always already does support life. Using completely pure magically created water would be safe to drink after being blessed, but drinking normal holy water risks a nasty case of Montezuma's Revenge, or worse.
On the other hand, holy water IRL isn't a substance with verifiable magic properties.

At this point, Alexis is more evil than Snyder. Unpleasant is not evil, and as her truth spell revealed, he hasn't broken any laws. Harming people with magic out of mere dislike is solidly evil witch territory. If someone did that in-game, it would force an alignment shift.
Abuse of authority is an evil act even if it isn't a criminal one; you might argue her response was disproportionate, but it wasn't entirely unjustified.

He's Neutral instead of Good, but is definitely not Evil. Her logic in this would condemn most of humanity to not deserve being saved from danger at the very least, if not simply exterminated, if she applied her beliefs without the blinders imposed by her racism. Jack has done nothing to warrant execution here, but she's going to murder him anyway - and make no mistake, it is murder.

Every argument she makes against Jack for being beyond human laws would also support someone just shooting a Slayer or Alexis herself with a long rifle if they see them breaking even the most minor laws - something her own group does regularly.

Her disgust is causing her to sound indistinguishable from a neo-nazi, just with a different target substituted.
You are correct that none of his actions are ones which would be worthy of execution in the legal justice system, but they would certainly deserve incarceration. Unfortunately, his status as a zombie means the legal justice system is unable to effectively deal with him, which places him instead in the jurisdiction of the Slayer. And, as Giles points out in the chapter, they don't have the capacity to imprison him. The only practical options are to either kill him or let him walk free.

Now, the fact that Alexis was advocating for his death before Giles listed his crimes, when all she actually knew was that he was a sleazy douche, that is ethically problematic.

This is said regularly in BtVS and its spinoffs, but is actually one of the biggest bits of hypocrisy we see. They claim they only hunt evil demons, but their actual rules of engagement is actually more along the lines of killing any nonhuman they see unless it runs from them on sight - and even those die too if they run slower than a crossbow bolt.
They are operating under military-style rules of engagement rather than police-style. They don't try to check on any individual basis whether a given demon is evil; instead they judge by species, and possibly visible symbols of allegiance or intention, because most demon species are, in D&D terms, Always Chaotic Evil. You don't need to investigate whether a given vampire has actually eaten anybody; the number of vamps that aren't lethal threats to any human they can catch can be counted on one hand. We're informed that there are some species of demons that can coexist peacefully with humanity; even if it never comes up on-screen, presumably a member of these species could walk right by a slayer without more than a glance. Scoobies may tend to assume that a demon of unknown species is hostile until proven otherwise, which is unfair, but that's not unreasonable given the odds.

Now, what would be interesting would be how they deal with demon species that are neither universal threats nor generally harmless. If there's a demon species where a substantial portion of the population live peacefully but a substantial portion kill people regularly, do Scoobies switch to an investigate-on-individual-basis system? Or do they just slay 'em all and let hell sort 'em out?


Edit:but could she make a powerful enough Electric motor to power the truck, compatable with her turbiner loop? And how strong and well sealed would her powerplant level tubing have to be... but certanly an option for their rig, and to power the boat and rebel camp. But that last one have no Electric need, so not really nejden There. But sure, you found another way that the bort could have been cheaper much like her pool
Why bother with an electric motor? If you have steam, just route it through a turbine or expansion cylinder and use that to drive the wheels. Before internal combustion dominated, there were plenty of steam-powered cars. Indeed, they can be mechanically simpler than internal combustion cars: because steam engines can produce high torque across a broad range of speeds and aren't subject to stalling, many had no clutch or gearbox; the engine was connected directly to the drive wheels.


Tranq darts full of holy water.
Holy water doesn't poison vamps; it burns them like acid. Tranq darts only hold a tiny quantity of liquid; while injecting it will probably do more damage than spraying it on their skin, it's not going to be fatal or even debilitating unless you get very lucky.
 
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Holy water doesn't poison vamps; it burns them like acid. Tranq darts only hold a tiny quantity of liquid; while injecting it will probably do more damage than spraying it on their skin, it's not going to be fatal or even debilitating unless you get very lucky.
Hollywood super-acid, and you can get tranq darts that hold 10cc. Given the observed effectiveness, that's enough to dissolve a basketball sized hole in a buffyverse vamp. There aren't many places you could hit one that won't take out a major joint. Meanwhile spraying it on their skin is going to remove some skin, while most of the holy water ends up on the ground. And sure, if you have unlimited holy water then just putting it through a firehose is great, but most groups don't.
 
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This is all based on an incorrect assumption: the potable hole trick doesn't offload the weight of the structure; it offloads the force of gravity. The structure (with the possible exception of the part that is physically within the hole) is still subject to gravity, which generates a downwards force; this force is transmitted through the support beam, into the anchor inside the hole, and ultimately into the walls of the hole itself. So, for example, buoyancy isn't a problem; buoyancy will produce a small upwards force, but, since the structure is denser than air, this force will be much less than that of gravity; the net force will still be strongly downward, and will still be transmitted into the hole. (Conversely, if the structure were lighter than air, e.g. a helium balloon, the net force would be upwards, and would try to pull the anchor out of the hole instead.)

What exactly do you think weight is?

Weight is literally the measurement of how hard gravity is pulling an object or mass. When you say the portable hole trick offloads the force of gravity into the anchor inside the hole, you are saying the trick offloads the weight into the hole.

Which is why, if you put the entire thing on a scale, and it worked like the most straightforward interpretations suggest, your scale would register the weight of the foundation the portable hole is spread out on, but not the weight of the thing anchored inside the hole; the weight is being offloaded to Holeville.

If the force of gravity is put into the hole, and not transmitted back out, you have negated the weight of the object. Objects which are submerged in a fluid (like the atmosphere) that is more dense will get displaced upward by the fluid; the denser fluid flows toward the largest gravity source and the less dense stuff is moved out of the way.

Therefore, an object which has all its weight offloaded to hole-space, but is taking up volume outside hole-space, and therefore is effectively low density, is going to either float out of the hole until it reaches a point of equal effective density to the local atmosphere and then kind of bob around, or if it's somehow attached to the hole, it takes off for the sky and drags the hole with it.

Which is really bizarre. There are reasons why "equal and opposite reaction" is a major thing in physics theory. If you're allowed to just negate forces willy-nilly, you rapidly end up in Funkytown, population you and your reactionless drive.

Actually, other than overcoming air resistance, the horizontal force will be zero. The whole point of the exercise is that forces do not transmit between the walls of the hole and the external anchor; that's why the inside of the hole can support the force of gravity from the whole structure while the flying carpet only has to support the weight of the metal-plate-with-a-portable-hole-on-it. As far as the structure is concerned, it isn't accelerating at all; it's the rest of the world which is moving. So if the carpet is flying 50km/h, the support beam and anchor need to handle the force from a 50km/h wind, but that's it.

... which, incidentally, means Alexis was wrong about needing to keep the weight down in order to let the carpet accelerate quickly. Consider the carpet being ridden normally: when the carpet tries to move, it generates a force which is applied to itself and, assuming they are holding on tight, the passengers. Acceleration = Force / Mass, so if you add more mass, it will accelerate slower. But, in this case, the structure isn't supported by the carpet; it's supported by the inside of the hole, and forces cannot transfer from the carpet to the hole. So when the carpet starts moving, one of two things must happen: either the structure does not move at all - in which case the whole idea is dead in the water - or the structure moves along with it without any force being applied to it - in which case the mass of the structure is irrelevant. Of course, the the carpet isn't really moving the structure at all: at all times the structure remains stationary relative to the inside of the hole, and the carpet is simply moinvg the point in the outside world where the hole happens to be.

If horizontal force is zero, you won't get movement. If this structure is sticking out of the hole, as described, then the mass of the part not contained in the hole still has inertia and will resist changes in motion.

F = MA

If force is zero, mass * acceleration has to equal zero, so at least one of M or A is zero. (And we know mass is not zero, even though weight IS...)

Side note: If you actually got zero mass, or pretty close, you're looking at whoa-nelly acceleration. Briefly. Don't try this if you aren't electromagnetic radiation.
 
If the force of gravity is put into the hole, and not transmitted back out, you have negated the weight of the object. Objects which are submerged in a fluid (like the atmosphere) that is more dense will get displaced upward by the fluid; the denser fluid flows toward the largest gravity source and the less dense stuff is moved out of the way.
Okay, so if you replaced the structure with a helium balloon, what would happen? If the hole-anchor can hold a heavy structure up, why should it not hold a buoyant object down? You are assuming that, somehow, the hole negates the force of gravity but not the force of buoyancy?


Therefore, an object which has all its weight offloaded to hole-space, but is taking up volume outside hole-space, and therefore is effectively low density, is going to either float out of the hole until it reaches a point of equal effective density to the local atmosphere and then kind of bob around, or if it's somehow attached to the hole, it takes off for the sky and drags the hole with it.
You are treating it as if 'offloading the force of gravity' is some weird mystical process. A bridge 'offloads the force of gravity' onto its piers. A house 'offloads the force of gravity' onto its foundation. The only difference with the flying structure is that the thing it is offloading the force of gravity onto is in a different dimension.

It still has mass and weight. It still has normal density. The only thing that is changing is what that weight is pushing against.

If horizontal force is zero, you won't get movement. If this structure is sticking out of the hole, as described, then the mass of the part not contained in the hole still has inertia and will resist changes in motion.

F = MA

If force is zero, mass * acceleration has to equal zero, so at least one of M or A is zero. (And we know mass is not zero, even though weight IS...)

Side note: If you actually got zero mass, or pretty close, you're looking at whoa-nelly acceleration. Briefly. Don't try this if you aren't electromagnetic radiation.
If the force isn't zero, then the whole thing crashes into the ground because the force of gravity is passing from the anchor into the flying carpet.

Yes, the force on the structure is zero. Yes, this means the acceleration of the structure is zero. The structure never accelerates. At all times it is stationary relative to the portable hole. By moving the hole, you change the coordinates it is stationary relative to, thus causing it to move relative to the world, but at no point do you actually accelerate the structure.
 
Okay, so if you replaced the structure with a helium balloon, what would happen? If the hole-anchor can hold a heavy structure up, why should it not hold a buoyant object down? You are assuming that, somehow, the hole negates the force of gravity but not the force of buoyancy?

The balloon is affected exactly the same way, but it's less obviously weird because the relative forces being offloaded are smaller (probably).

You are treating it as if 'offloading the force of gravity' is some weird mystical process. A bridge 'offloads the force of gravity' onto its piers. A house 'offloads the force of gravity' onto its foundation. The only difference with the flying structure is that the thing it is offloading the force of gravity onto is in a different dimension.

It still has mass and weight. It still has normal density. The only thing that is changing is what that weight is pushing against.

Offloading the force of gravity to another dimension is precisely a weird, mystical process, yes. It is exactly the weird mystical process that makes the idea potentially useful.

When a bridge applies force downward on its piers, due to gravitational attraction, the piers apply an equal an opposite force back upward on the bridge. This is the normal force. You can tell the forces are balanced because the bridge doesn't accelerate. If the gravitational force was larger than the normal force, the bridge would accelerate downwards toward the center of the earth.

If, as you indicated, the only thing changing in this scenario is what the weight of the object is pushing against, then your forces are not balanced any more! Not in this dimension, at least. You have mass, but not weight! Which doesn't happen normally!

The whole point of the exercise is to make an object which weighs less than it ought to, given its mass and the local gravity conditions, right? That's why you bother with all the portable holes. Except, if that works, you now have a weightless object taking up volume in this dimension. It will then act like a weightless object of its shape, size and mass, which is going to be very weird.

If the force isn't zero, then the whole thing crashes into the ground because the force of gravity is passing from the anchor into the flying carpet.

Yes, the force on the structure is zero. Yes, this means the acceleration of the structure is zero. The structure never accelerates. At all times it is stationary relative to the portable hole. By moving the hole, you change the coordinates it is stationary relative to, thus causing it to move relative to the world, but at no point do you actually accelerate the structure.

If the structure never accelerates, it never moves. That's what acceleration means. If you move the hole relative to the world around it, the part of the structure sticking out of the hole also has to move relative to the world around the hole, or it has to move relative to the hole itself. If you have two objects accelerating relative to each other, you cannot have a third object be stationary relative to both of them at the same time.

You're trying to assert some kind of distinction where things don't move, but they still change position relative to one another. That doesn't work, because changing relative position IS movement. It's like saying "this object won't fall, it'll just be moved towards the largest concentration of mass in the area by mutual gravitational attraction" or "this object won't give off light, it'll just emit photons of electromagnetic radiation with a wavelength of 380 to 700 nanometers".

You're arguing like you can get rid of a mountain by erasing it from your maps, but the map is not the terrain. The map describes the terrain; the terrain does not conform to the map. We use words like "motion" and "acceleration" and "weight" to describe physics; if we change how we use the words, the physical interactions won't change to conform to our language. We'll just be more confusing.
 
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When a bridge applies force downward on its piers, due to gravitational attraction, the piers apply an equal an opposite force back upward on the bridge. This is the normal force. You can tell the forces are balanced because the bridge doesn't accelerate. If the gravitational force was larger than the normal force, the bridge would accelerate downwards toward the center of the earth.

If, as you indicated, the only thing changing in this scenario is what the weight of the object is pushing against, then your forces are not balanced any more! Not in this dimension, at least. You have mass, but not weight! Which doesn't happen normally!
Let's try a thought experiment.

Platform 1: This is a large, sturdy, square platform, 20' x 20' across and 15' high. In the center of the top is a 10' x 10' x 10' empty pit. The entire thing rests on a scale, which initially displays the weight of the platform - let's say 20 tons.

Platform 2: This is identical to Platform 1, except that the pit has been decked over and a Portable Hole unrolled in its place. Its total mass is also 20 tons.

Test Mass: This is a 1 ton block of iron with 15' legs. The legs are assumed to be of negligible mass and volume.

Experiment: I use cranes to lower a pair of test masses into the pit on platform 1 and the hole on platform 2 until the legs touch down at the bottom.

Now, what happens? By your argument, the test mass on platform 2 is now 'weightless' and should float up because of buoyancy. But the moment it starts to float, its legs are no longer in contact with the bottom of the hole, so shouldn't its weight suddenly 'count' again?

My argument is that both test masses and both platforms will behave exactly the same, except that the scale under platform 1 will read 21 tons while the scale under platform 2 will remain at 20 tons.

The whole point of the exercise is to make an object which weighs less than it ought to, given its mass and the local gravity conditions, right? That's why you bother with all the portable holes.
The point of the exercise is to create an object which moves with the carpet without requiring the carpet to support its weight.
 
Let's try a thought experiment.

Platform 1: This is a large, sturdy, square platform, 20' x 20' across and 15' high. In the center of the top is a 10' x 10' x 10' empty pit. The entire thing rests on a scale, which initially displays the weight of the platform - let's say 20 tons.

Platform 2: This is identical to Platform 1, except that the pit has been decked over and a Portable Hole unrolled in its place. Its total mass is also 20 tons.

Test Mass: This is a 1 ton block of iron with 15' legs. The legs are assumed to be of negligible mass and volume.

Experiment: I use cranes to lower a pair of test masses into the pit on platform 1 and the hole on platform 2 until the legs touch down at the bottom.

Now, what happens? By your argument, the test mass on platform 2 is now 'weightless' and should float up because of buoyancy. But the moment it starts to float, its legs are no longer in contact with the bottom of the hole, so shouldn't its weight suddenly 'count' again?

My argument is that both test masses and both platforms will behave exactly the same, except that the scale under platform 1 will read 21 tons while the scale under platform 2 will remain at 20 tons.

The scale on Test Platform 1 reads 21 tons.

The scale on Test Platform 2 reads 20 tons.

The mass on Platform 1 sits at the bottom of the hole.

The mass on Platform 2 does something very odd and hard to predict. When its weight is mostly or completely supported by the bottom of the hole, it tries to rise, and if it is able to rise up and become unsupported, it drops again. My best guess is that you get a rapid, small-scale oscillation of the mass.

Now, same setup, except the legs are attached to the floor and walls of the portable hole. What do you think happens? I think the mass exerts a net force upward on the portable hole. What happens then depends on how well attached the hole is to the supporting platform, and how the wizard who did this makes the cheating work, but it definitely violates at least one law of motion, and likely more.
 
The scale on Test Platform 1 reads 21 tons.

The scale on Test Platform 2 reads 20 tons.

The mass on Platform 1 sits at the bottom of the hole.

The mass on Platform 2 does something very odd and hard to predict. When its weight is mostly or completely supported by the bottom of the hole, it tries to rise, and if it is able to rise up and become unsupported, it drops again. My best guess is that you get a rapid, small-scale oscillation of the mass.

Now, same setup, except the legs are attached to the floor and walls of the portable hole. What do you think happens? I think the mass exerts a net force upward on the portable hole. What happens then depends on how well attached the hole is to the supporting platform, and how the wizard who did this makes the cheating work, but it definitely violates at least one law of motion, and likely more.
The mass on platform 2 applies one ton of force to the bottom of the hole, which is on the other side of a door that leads between worlds. The other world it leads to is a blind pocket dimension, but it's still another world. (a little piece of the astral probably, given how they interact with bags of holding) It's not going to wobble any more than you do when you lean through a doorway. You're not applying any weight to the floor in the next room, so your head should try to rise due to buoyancy, right? Well, actually it does, it just tries to fall harder than it tries to rise, and that weight is carried down your body to your feet in the first room.
 
Now, same setup, except the legs are attached to the floor and walls of the portable hole. What do you think happens? I think the mass exerts a net force upward on the portable hole. What happens then depends on how well attached the hole is to the supporting platform, and how the wizard who did this makes the cheating work, but it definitely violates at least one law of motion, and likely more.
I'm not following. What upwards force?
 
Upwards force of air pressure, but after churning it in my brain for a while, I've concluded I'm confused and have to draw some pictures. Will update when I've done that.

The short version is likely to be that it's volume-dependent, not mass-dependent. The scenario depends heavily on whether the hole and its supporting surface are treated as part of the system with the mass placed in the hole, or if you view the components in isolation.

If the components are isolated, each one acts pretty intuitively. It's only in combination that things get screwy.
 
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