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Xander [Quest], Thread Thirteen: "Mom, Dad, the World is stranger than you know..."

[X] There is a line. You must say it.

It's also older, but that's neither here nor there.
 
Complain about not being able to talk to parents about supernatural in this thread.

Inconvenient interrupt giving us the opportunity to talk, that is obvious in hindsight.

Well Played Judge.
 
[X] There is a line. You must say it.
[X] Do the polite thing and introduce your father to the visitor.
- [X] Try not to emphasize how demonic the messenger is.
 
Cytokinesis said:
Yep, the imp was withholding such important information.

Good job guys. This is what being petty will get you.
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Oh yea, because this is something any one foresaw.

No the voted outcome wasn't petty in the slightest. Your post here though, that is the perfect example of a pettiness.

edit: Even better the reason for why Alexs dad came out is because of the way we got rid of Zelda, had we have done something different there this wouldn't have happened.
 
Cytokinesis said:
Yep, the imp was withholding such important information.

Good job guys. This is what being petty will get you.
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I am beginning to think that Judge didn't actually decide what Beryl had actually said, and used our bitching about the thread title to absolve himself from having to go through the extra work. Which is a masterful move in my opinion.
 
SuperSonicSound said:
Oh yea, because this is something any one foresaw.

No the voted outcome wasn't petty in the slightest. Your post here though, that is the perfect example of a pettiness.
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Your right, no one guessed this specific outcome, but plenty of people guessed that being anally retentative about the imp telling us absolutely everything would have problems with it.
We still haven't found out what that information is any way, so this "Yep, the imp was withholding such important information." is just you being a silly bugger.
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If you still think that the imp was actually omitting really critical information I don't know what to do but shake my head, because honestly, even Alex has covered this.

He can just ask Beryl. He has her contact information. If it was really critical the imp wouldn't have dared to omit it, because us having her contact information means it would become clear pretty damn soon.

So, extremely petty, because there was no need to do this, plenty of reason not to, and you ignored it because you absolutely could not stand the imp being rude to us.
 
Cytokinesis said:
Your right, no one guessed this specific outcome, but plenty of people guessed that being anally retentative about the imp telling us absolutely everything would have problems with it.
If you still think that the imp was actually omitting really critical information I don't know what to do but shake my head, because honestly, even Alex has covered this.

He can just ask Beryl. He has her contact information. If it was really critical the imp wouldn't have dared to omit it, because us having her contact information means it would become clear pretty damn soon.

So, extremely petty, because there was no need to do this, plenty of reason not to, and you ignored it because you absolutely could not stand the imp being rude to us.
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No what is extremely petty is you pulling this kind of crap.
being anally retentative about the imp telling us absolutely everything would have problems with it.
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The outcome wasn't fore warned by any one then you're just selfishly venting for your own catharsis there is a big damn difference between warning about a specific outcome and just going "but bad things could happen I've no idea what exactly!"

Yes I think the Imp could be withholding important information, I don't much care about your deflection that Alex 'covered' this when he's done no such thing. Yes he can go to Beryl for more information on what was omitted himself but the simple fact of the matter is that what ever information is being omitted could be important to how Alex decides to interact with her.

As in the information may not be critical to Beryl but to Alex, in which case Beryl won't actually care.

Lastly this outcome is from how we dealt with Zelda AND the Imp vote afterwards had we have handled Zelda in a different way this wouldn't have happened.

No I don't think the information is worth the outcome we are going to have from this, doesn't matter though we didn't foresee this occurring so your complaints are entirely unjustified.
 
SuperSonicSound said:
No what is extremely petty is you pulling this kind of crap. If the outcome wasn't fore warned by any one then you're just selfishly venting for your own catharsis there is a big damn difference between warning about a specific outcome and just going "but bags things could happen I've no idea what exactly!"
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No, what's being petty is you latching onto this specific outcome and justifying it no matter how badly it went. Stop justifying it. You screwed up. Admit it, move on. If you weren't to continue to justify your bad choice, I wouldn't still be discussing it, but you are. Instead of learning from this, you're ignoring it completely.

I covered part of the ways the imp could make problems for us. You said it wasn't an issue. Judge just thought of a way the imp could make problems without actually having to do anything, and now it has its revenge.
Yes I think the Imp could be with holding important information, I don't much care about your deflection that Alex 'covered' this when he's done no such thing. Yes he can go to Beryl for more information on what was omitted himself but the simple fact of the matter is that what ever information is being omitted could be important to how Alex decides to interact with her.
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If you think exact wording of pleasantries is important information, I really don't know what to say other than that I really don't understand your point here.

Again, unless you think the imp is lying (I don't), I really doubt anything it could have told us could have been vital.
As in the information may not be critical to Beryl but to Alex, in which case Beryl won't actually care.
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The only reason this even became an option as a course in the conversation is because you latched it on. There was no reason for us to believe that the imp was slicing out huge things that would become massively important later. You shoved that onto the narrative, and these are the consequences.

Now the majority of the votes are for just letting the imp go, which means whatever gain could have been had from the imp telling us how Beryl said "Please" and "Thank you" is currently on the course for going away.
Lastly this outcome is from how we dealt with Zelda AND the Imp vote afterwards had we have handled Zelda in a different way this wouldn't have happened.
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If we had not sent Zelda somewhere, the Imp wouldn't have given us the message.

We could have easily let the imp leave after receiving Beryl's contact information and there would have been no problem.
 
Cytokinesis said:
If we had not sent Zelda somewhere, the Imp wouldn't have given us the message.
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Utterly, ridiculous.


This is what you want to go with, the idea that it's impossible for Alex to have dealt with Zelda in a way where she wouldn't have come out of this being afraid and telling Alexs parents?

My vote for the Zelda situation wouldn't have had this happen.
Cytokinesis said:
The only reason this even became an option as a course in the conversation is because you latched it on.
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Ah yes, I forced all the votes on the issue especially when my arguing for it happened at the tail end of the voting, but no seriously do try and blame everything on me I'm sure it helps you feel better.
 
SuperSonicSound said:
Utterly, ridiculous.

This is what you want to go with, the idea that it's impossible for Alex to have dealt with Zelda in a way where she wouldn't have come out of this being afraid and telling Alexs parents?

My vote for the Zelda situation wouldn't have had this happen.
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Goalposts moved.

You've done this a lot. You refuse to admit any kind of mistake whatsoever and get righteously indignant when it's pointed out.

I'm done, you were wrong, you should admit it and move on, and maybe next time consider the fact that you might be wrong instead of sticking to your guns even after it goes wrong. There's a reason I change my plans so much, and it's not because I think I'm perfect and that my first conclusion is always true.


Edit: Maybe you, in specific, weren't the only one forcing it to start with - but you were the one that pushed people back to voting for it and clinched the deal when several people highlighted some of the possible problems.
 
Cytokinesis said:
Edit: Maybe you, in specific, weren't the only one forcing it to start with - but you were the one that pushed people back to voting for it and clinched the deal when several people highlighted some of the possible problems.
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None of those problems were an actual concern with any kind of valid reasoning. A nebulous something bad could happen isn't compelling in the slighest.
Cytokinesis said:
Goalposts moved.
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Not at all.
SuperSonicSound said:
No I don't think the information is worth the outcome we are going to have from this, doesn't matter though we didn't foresee this occurring so your complaints are entirely unjustified.
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Cytokinesis said:
You've done this a lot. You refuse to admit any kind of mistake whatsoever and get righteously indignant when it's pointed out.
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Oh get off your high horse.

The events that lead up to this started with how we voted to deal with Zelda.

This could have been foreseen if any one thought about what Zelda would do once she was inside. No one did though.

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Cytokinesis said:
Edit: Maybe you, in specific, weren't the only one forcing it to start with - but you were the one that pushed people back to voting for it and clinched the deal when several people highlighted some of the possible problems.
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Your attempted characterization of the vote as petty did more to hurt your side of the argument than any arguing I did to help the side I voted for.
petty: unduly concerned with trivial matters, especially in a small-minded or spiteful way.
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There is nothing small minded about wanting to know what was left out and considering the imp was panicking when Alex said he would tell Beryl it had left stuff out it's quite likely it has left something important out, if you are right and it is just useless platitudes then why would the demon care?

By calling out peoples desire for that information as trivial and spiteful you all but sealed the vote happening in that direction.
 
Cytokinesis said:
To be fair, the ward will still be really useful if we ever get it up. We just can't use it for this specific instance.
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Aye, the ward is still a god send when it comes to using magic inside Alexs house. Hopefully we can try and make a lab test area by spatially enhancing a closet once we have the house warded.
 
Judge Mental said:
The imp frowns at both of you. "What, have I got something on my face?"

"Alex," your father says in a strangled tone. "What. The. Hell?"
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"I think it's more the horns and the tail personally."


[X] Do the polite thing and introduce your father to the visitor.
 
[X] There is a line. You must say it.

There is a Troll skill in our skill list. While leveling it to Ambrose-levels might not be wise...we can have a little fun every now and then, right? :p
 
[X] Do the polite thing and introduce your father to the visitor.

Nooooo! We might actually explain things in this thread! This is terrible.
 
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