Xander [Quest], Thread Thirteen: "Mom, Dad, the World is stranger than you know..."
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Ridiculously Average Guy
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[X] Muse about what Beryl will say and do when you let her know her messenger decided to "creatively re-interpret" the message.
-[x]Reverse psychology: Insinuate that she forgot her message, unlike the other messengers.
-[x]Reverse psychology: Insinuate that she forgot her message, unlike the other messengers.
I don't know why people are out to specifically annoy a demon, but yeah, I would not be surprised if the imp remembers this and tries to take a little payback.
[X] Meh, let her go. It's not worth the trouble.
Aranfan
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Offers great relationship advice though.iamnuff said:
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Imps are the lowest demons on the totem pole in the history of ever, if you really think Alex needs to be super careful in how he treats an Imp then you might as well give up the adventuring business. If a CR2 creature is going to be something you think he should fear payback from.Cytokinesis said:
Fear is a strong word, and is not at all appropriate. Letting the imp go is not being scared of the imp it's not wasting our time (and the imp's) being petty.SuperSonicSound said:
Beyond that? Stretch your imagination a little. The imp may be no problem in a straight on confrontation, but this is a demon that knows where we live, knows what our sister looks like, and I could easily imagine it knowing other demons. Just because we can physically take on the demon in front of us does not mean that it poses no threat or can't make problems for us if it were so inclined. Would it be a threat? Probably not. Should we go out of our way to aggravate it? No, we really shouldn't.
Unless you actually think the imp is withholding critical information, which I don't, there's no point in us doing this.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
I don't see how the leading vote goes out of the way to aggravate it and frankly if what the demon hasn't told us is really that time consuming there is likely quite a bit that has been left out.Cytokinesis said:
Go reread the updates. The imp quite obviously doesn't want to be here, or be doing this.SuperSonicSound said:
Also? Nobody likes to be threatened. That's what this vote does, even if it's a mild threat (or possibly not, considering Beryl).
Now this is a decent point. If you really think it's that big a risk, then yeah, we should talk to the imp.
I don't particularly think it's a huge deal because we just got her contact information, but it's a valid concern.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Risk? I'm not so sure it's risky that we don't know the information. That said the information it's with holding could be important.Cytokinesis said:
I'd rather not flub a possible chance to maybe have one of the reincarnations from all the way back at the start be neutral or possibly even have positive relations.
I suspect the 'end game' of this quest is going to be some kind of gestalt apocalypse scenario involving all the reincarnations of evil from thread 1.
Even if it knows where we live... how much would it really want to risk Alex never, even once, deciding to come after it, if the imp tries to take any part in attacking his family?
Alex has just displayed great care for his little sister - now put that in the Imp's perspective.
How likely is this little imp going to be to ever do anything that could upset someone who is in contact with ninjas, living vampires and magic users (who, for all it knows, can also be quite powerful and well-connected, since Beryl did send it here to ask for apprenticeship with whoever is teaching Alexander)?
Sure, the imp can cause trouble - but the fact that it's the weakest sort of creature has to have let it know that there are "bigger fish in the sea", shall we say, that you don't upset if you can help it.
Right now, it doesn't know just how big a fish Alex is, so why risk it, when the consequences can be very horrifying to it if Alexander proves to be the vengeful sort (if we had the same temperament as the Hawaiian guy, for instance... well, were I the imp I'd not be quite so eager to get in trouble - spite and hatred would be something it'd understand quite well, and given how weak it is would also understand that it does not want to be a target of said feelings)?
Alex has just displayed great care for his little sister - now put that in the Imp's perspective.
How likely is this little imp going to be to ever do anything that could upset someone who is in contact with ninjas, living vampires and magic users (who, for all it knows, can also be quite powerful and well-connected, since Beryl did send it here to ask for apprenticeship with whoever is teaching Alexander)?
Sure, the imp can cause trouble - but the fact that it's the weakest sort of creature has to have let it know that there are "bigger fish in the sea", shall we say, that you don't upset if you can help it.
Right now, it doesn't know just how big a fish Alex is, so why risk it, when the consequences can be very horrifying to it if Alexander proves to be the vengeful sort (if we had the same temperament as the Hawaiian guy, for instance... well, were I the imp I'd not be quite so eager to get in trouble - spite and hatred would be something it'd understand quite well, and given how weak it is would also understand that it does not want to be a target of said feelings)?
King Arthur
The Once and Future King
[X] Muse about what Beryl will say and do when you let her know her messenger decided to "creatively re-interpret" the message.
Metallia and Lolth having a go at the multiverse would be quite a disturbing thing...SuperSonicSound said:
Not sure if Demise would be involved.
This is why I want Reincarnation Club to be a thing, so that we can be excellently suited towards handling it.
Yeah, don't see any real way we can make it so she's not insane.uju32 said:
Still, that just makes it more important that we get the other members of Reincarnation Club and make sure nothing goes to hell.
Just imagine what the Overmind or Mother Brain would be able to do, if they were evil in this setting?
Conversely, imagine how big aids they could both be, if we could make it so they were sane, friendly and good?
The user of Psycho Power being nuts is already bad enough (because she'll have experience running an evil organization) - we don't want Beryl, Lolth, the Overmind or Mother Brain also falling to evil, if we can at all help it.
But she's not going to give any message at all, if we don't ask for it - she wouldn't count as a chef here.GamingGeek said:
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
I don't think the current vote is petty. it's trying to ensure compliance by something that's being reticent and holding back potentially important information it's not doing something to be petty at all.GamingGeek said:
Yes. That's true.GamingGeek said:
There is however a reason to be thorough in interpreting Beryl's entire statement, including the general, meaningless, boring greetings and platitudes that are involved with giving a message. That would allow us to more accurately guess at Beryl's intentions and state of mind, which is important if we want to help her not fall to her Past Life Experiences.
Using the Chef anology. What is happening here is that we are being served a meal someone offered us and upon asking the ingredients the Chef decides to go away without answering.GamingGeek said:
Too bad you are allergic to garlic, who knows if the meal has garlic in it?
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"I am me and that is good, I will never be who I was and that's not bad, there's no one I'd rather be than me."tenchifew said:
"Evil past life attempting to take over" is such a wonderful Watsonian explanation for the kind of stupid stuff Spacebattles will get up to given half a chance.EVA-Saiyajin said:
Constant paranoia about the actions of anyone else, and not nearly enough thought to the consequences of our own.
Yes, it's entirely possible that there's something in that message that the imp declined to share. For instance, an intelligent imp might decline to pass on threats or insults that might get the messenger killed.
That doesn't mean threatening the imp to acquire that information won't have negative consequences of its own, even in the best case (that the threat works, and there's actually something important left out of the message). As has been mentioned, we don't need to make a habit of making enemies. We're going to have enough as it is.
Especially since Beryl possibly being hostile isn't a reason not to contact her. Having information about what she wants becomes more important, not less, if she's an enemy.