Xander [Quest], Thread Ten: You Blame Navi For This

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[X]Remain where you are
-[x]Ask Briar what she means about her mom being petty
--[x] Cycle through all your senses, magical, spiritual and mundane, to examine the dome more closely.
---[x]If insufficient data, THEN use a Spell of Divination while Briar watches your back.
 
Yeah, ok, changing my vote

[X]Remain where you are
-[x]Ask Briar what she means about her mom being petty
--[x] Cycle through all your senses, magical, spiritual and mundane, to examine the dome more closely.
---[x]If insufficient data, THEN use a Spell of Divination while Briar watches your back.
 
This is not immediately relevant, but I followed a recommendation to a rather entertaining story focusing on a recently revived Ganondorf who lacks access to the triforce of power. It's called Empire of Ashes.

I was surprised reading it, because it has a really fitting interpretation compared to the hints Judge has given us.

Also, it's had several scenes that relate to things we're currently doing. For example, it turns out that power isn't an adequate substitute for control when it comes to flying. Who knew?
 
[X]Remain where you are
-[x]Ask Briar what she means about her mom being petty
--[x] Cycle through all your senses, magical, spiritual and mundane, to examine the dome more closely.
---[x]If insufficient data, THEN use a Spell of Divination while Briar watches your back.

I find it amusing that the last two lines seem to be Alex's default reaction to anything new. Scan with all senses and if in doubt open up with Divination spells to confirm.

You know eventually we'll make this exact same vote enough times that Alex just automatically does it without prompting.
 
I'm personally looking forward to the next tournament, when at the start we point the mystical equivalent of Hubble at our peers at the opening ceremony and then use our Tactics skill to develop bespoke strategies and tailored spell sequences designed to defeat them in advance. Just think what we'll be able to do with four more years of advancement of the relevant sub-skills and prowesses - we may even get one of them up to B rank this very adventure.

That's playing like a wizard.
 
Alratan said:
I'm personally looking forward to the next tournament, when at the start we point the mystical equivalent of Hubble at our peers at the opening ceremony and then use our Tactics skill to develop bespoke strategies and tailored spell sequences designed to defeat them in advance. Just think what we'll be able to do with four more years of advancement of the relevant sub-skills and prowesses.

That's playing like a wizard.
Honestly? I kind of want Alex to mostly make do with his physical prowess in the next tournament, saving his magic (aside from maybe augmentations) for when he really needs it. At the rate we're going, we'll have a good chance of winning most of the fights on ki abilities alone. Throwing around 7th-8th level spells at twelve year olds is a bit overkill.

Hmm. If I get the time I'll try to write an omake in that vein, because the idea of someone taunting Alex about not using his magic and then him letting loose to show why is a fun one.

"I wasn't using my magic because it would be too boring otherwise."
 
[X]Remain where you are
-[x]Ask Briar what she means about her mom being petty
--[x] Cycle through all your senses, magical, spiritual and mundane, to examine the dome more closely.
---[x]If insufficient data, THEN use a Spell of Divination while Briar watches your back.
 
Cytokinesis said:
Honestly? I kind of want Alex to mostly make do with his physical prowess in the next tournament, saving his magic (aside from maybe augmentations) for when he really needs it. At the rate we're going, we'll have a good chance of winning most of the fights on ki abilities alone. Throwing around 7th-8th level spells at twelve year olds is a bit overkill.
I think this would be very risky indeed. We shouldn't underestimate our competitors growth trajectories - there are some real monsters out there who I have doubts about us being able to defeat if we go all out. The tournament is also a perfect place to learn how to use our magic in combat against powerful enemies without being in real danger. By instead deliberately handicapping ourself we're

Our ki abilities are pretty weak, to be honest. I think that the ninja girls would take us out handily if we restricted ourself to them, let alone what Medaka or Altria would do. Remember that we're doing things like going to a normal school and only training in a fraction of our free time. Not all the competition is so limited.
 
Alratan said:
I'm personally looking forward to the next tournament, when at the start we point the mystical equivalent of Hubble at our peers at the opening ceremony and then use our Tactics skill to develop bespoke strategies and tailored spell sequences designed to defeat them in advance. Just think what we'll be able to do with four more years of advancement of the relevant sub-skills and prowesses.

That's playing like a wizard.
Alex already has bullshit level Divination with things like Analyze Dweomer and Legend Lore. If we can get it up a single rank higher, which frankly is the most I expect in the best case situation, we can cast Vision which frankly sounds just like the Vision's Cordy and Doyle had in Angel.

Alexander Harris, self made Seer. It sounds like a good idea given that the PTB can't be relied upon for vision info.

Speaking of Legend Lore we should totally use it on the Hellmouth next year, the wait is so we've had time to get comfortable with our skills, which should only take 40 minutes at most given we'd be on site and hence have 1d4 x 10 minutes casting time.
 
[X]Remain where you are
-[x]Ask Briar what she means about her mom being petty
--[x] Cycle through all your senses, magical, spiritual and mundane, to examine the dome more closely.
---[x]If insufficient data, THEN use a Spell of Divination while Briar watches your back.
 
[X]Remain where you are
-[x]Ask Briar what she means about her mom being petty
--[x] Cycle through all your senses, magical, spiritual and mundane, to examine the dome more closely.
---[x]If insufficient data, THEN use a Spell of Divination while Briar watches your back.
 
I think using Legend Lore on the Hellmouth is risking rank ups to Traumatic Memories. I suspect that even at one remove what's happened there is not meant for children.

Asking Din may be safer.
 
Alratan said:
I think using Legend Lore on the Hellmouth is risking rank ups to Traumatic Memories. I suspect that even at one remove what's happened there is not meant for children.

Asking Din may be safer.
You raise a very good point there. It should probably wait until Alex is older and better equipped to handle the imagery.
 
UberJJK said:
You raise a very good point there. It should probably wait until Alex is older and better equipped to handle the imagery.
And possibly after we've found a way to manage Traumatic Memories. I wonder if this is something that prayer/communion with Naryu would help with. We probably need to find some appropriate sacrifice or service to give to her.
 
Alratan said:
And possibly after we've found a way to manage Traumatic Memories. I wonder if this is something that prayer/communion with Naryu would help with. We probably need to find some appropriate sacrifice or service to give to her.
it strikes me that a rather powerful symbolic and actual sacrifice would be some knowledge alex has. Not sure on whether it would be sensible to do so though.
 
SuperSonicSound said:
it strikes me that a rather powerful symbolic and actual sacrifice would be some knowledge alex has. Not sure on whether it would be sensible to do so though.
Unlike physical things, knowledge is not diminished by being shared. I suspect that the best sacrifice we can make to Naryu may be teaching her something she doesn't know, or telling her a piece of secret information.

Perhaps we can sacrifice an internet connection to her. ;)
 
GamingGeek said:
...You say that, but finding a way to grant access to the internet to a God/Goddess of Wisdom or Knowledge would... actually be a big deal.

Or at least at this stage of the internet. Back then it was more academic and less ...well, like it is now. :p
Oh dear a Goddess of wisdom on twitter.
 
GamingGeek said:
...You say that, but finding a way to grant access to the internet to a God/Goddess of Wisdom or Knowledge would... actually be a big deal.

Or at least at this stage of the internet. Back then it was more academic and less ...well, like it is now. :p
OK. We should certainly do this. We have the technology magic. The precedent of Moloch is helpful in this respect. Conjute one of her servants and have it possess a computer, and ask it to create a direct uplink to her.
 
Alratan said:
If he doesn't have the talent he doesn't have the talent. It may be more efficient to concentrate on making him a Baddass Normal rather than trying to force him into a category he doesn't fit into. Our magic should be capable of helping with that. Augmentation and Divination could help him learn to be a crack shot
My reasoning was more that, with magic-using spiritual guy like Alex around to help with it, we could perhaps just cheat our way around natural talent through pure power (like, say, give him super-advanced ways of seeing ki and how it works)
...I worry about Larry; looking at how Buffyverse treats normal humans, I want to give him something to keep up.

(Also, I think that Amy is going to be the main source of long-term benefits for Larry's gun stuff... she's the one who'll be crafting stuff, after all, since she won't have the raw power that we do)
I'm not sure that Ambrose is precisely a force for good. We can probably work with him though. One of the things we'd previously decided to do when we had time and mana was to examine the binding on us in more details as we thought we might be able to learn from it. We probably want to do that before we visit the UK and potentially meet him again.
I think he would; he's been raising Altria, far as her supernatural abilities go, and I think we can all agree that she's one of the most good people we know.
We'd need to get Lu-sensei to agree. There's also the question about whether Altria actually uses or wants to use ki. It seems that she uses magic to enhance her physical abilities and perform her special combat techniques rather than ki. We can't assume it's comparable.
She seems to be using something like our own Max. Power (and it sure didn't seem purely mana-based, what she did).
Which means that there's some ki going around there, and that's something Lu-sensei could teach her.
If, indeed, he was willing (though I think he would be - technique trade seems to be something he approves of, given how he was cool with us showing stuff to the ninjas, and there's no question that Ambrose is a better magical teacher)
On a related note, I've been rereading to look for dropped plot hooks recently, and we and Altria agreed to discuss the contents of the symbolic visions we saw of each other when we were in private. We neglected to do so in Japan, so should remember to when we write to her. We know that letters to her move at the speed of email, after all, so we can probably have a conversation pretty easily.
Do it during the summer party with our international friends?
Would have an added benefit in that her parents would be less likely to end up reading the papers.
Alratan said:
And possibly after we've found a way to manage Traumatic Memories. I wonder if this is something that prayer/communion with Naryu would help with. We probably need to find some appropriate sacrifice or service to give to her.
Talked about that in the previous thread; asking the goddesses for help seems pretty natural, since we can just summon a being aligned to one of them to ask for help (like we did with our awesome Goron buddy).

Would also give us an opportunity to ask them what they'd want us to do here, on Earth.
SuperSonicSound said:
Oh dear a Goddess of wisdom on twitter.
"Din, I know you like the boy, but can we not talk about him during poker night. #DamnReincarnation"
"Farore, hunting is not something you do with stars. #ThingsIShouldNotHaveToExplain"
"Made all the laws, but some white-haired boy is telling me I can't hang out where I want."
Alratan said:
OK. We should certainly do this. We have the technology magic. The precedent of Moloch is helpful in this respect. Conjute one of her servants and have it possess a computer, and ask it to create a direct uplink to her.
Do it with Din first, if anyone.
Din should always come first.
 
Cytokinesis said:
Honestly? I kind of want Alex to mostly make do with his physical prowess in the next tournament, saving his magic (aside from maybe augmentations) for when he really needs it. At the rate we're going, we'll have a good chance of winning most of the fights on ki abilities alone. Throwing around 7th-8th level spells at twelve year olds is a bit overkill.

Hmm. If I get the time I'll try to write an omake in that vein, because the idea of someone taunting Alex about not using his magic and then him letting loose to show why is a fun one.

"I wasn't using my magic because it would be too boring otherwise."
Not really.

Do remember Alex was incredibly lucky during the tournament. As in, he was by far not the strongest fighter there, nor he was the smartest or more skilled.

If he had caught Goku or Medaka at any point he would have lost like a little bitch.
 
ryuan said:
Not really.

Do remember Alex was incredibly lucky during the tournament. As in, he was by far not the strongest fighter there, nor he was the smartest or more skilled.

If he had caught Goku or Medaka at any point he would have lost like a little bitch.
Alex is a whole lot better at combat now than he was during the tournament. He may have started off weak, but at the rate we're increasing his abilities he'll have a very good chance of pulling it off.

Besides, I said mostly, which means he should use it when he needs it. Doing things like the shock armor against Ayane is just showing off.
 
Krain said:
My reasoning was more that, with magic-using spiritual guy like Alex around to help with it, we could perhaps just cheat our way around natural talent through pure power (like, say, give him super-advanced ways of seeing ki and how it works)
There's also the question of opportunity cost. Power isn't linear in this setting, it seems. The same effort applied to augmenting Amy or Cordelia's ability to learn their own supernatural abilities may produce a greater over all return.
Krain said:
...I worry about Larry; looking at how Buffyverse treats normal humans, I want to give him something to keep up.
To be honest, he's not going to be able to keep up. We need to give him something to try to prevent him becoming collateral damage, but he's not going to be suitable for the front lines.

I think the best role for him could be as the one that manages to grow up and live a normal life, and escape from the war. It's Larry who'll act as our bridge to normality. He'll effectively be our Xander.
Krain said:
(Also, I think that Amy is going to be the main source of long-term benefits for Larry's gun stuff... she's the one who'll be crafting stuff, after all, since she won't have the raw power that we do)
As soon as we work out how to create mana potions/batteries her big limitation, which is her small fuel tank will disappear, and limiting her to supplying Larry will be a waste of her skills. She'd probably be better off making magic items to enhance her own or Cordelia's abilities, or honing her skill and stockpiling mana.
Krain said:
She seems to be using something like our own Max. Power (and it sure didn't seem purely mana-based, what she did).
Which means that there's some ki going around there, and that's something Lu-sensei could teach her.
I've read back, and it seems pure mana, based on the descriptions of her other fights, particularly the way it's contrasted to Medaka's ki.
Krain said:
Do it during the summer party with our international friends?
What summer party? This summer we're doing the Familiar Binding in England, I think.
Krain said:
Would have an added benefit in that her parents would be less likely to end up reading the papers.
Ambrose is magically handling her mail, and Altria has a futuristic magi-tech mobile phone. I rather suspect they're either in on the secret or they can't intercept it.
Krain said:
Would also give us an opportunity to ask them what they'd want us to do here, on Earth.
That's possible, but feels rather risky.
Krain said:
Do it with Din first, if anyone.
Din should always come first.
That way lies potential disaster. Power, Wisdom and Courage are required in equal measure. We need the favour and to embody the nature of all three Goddesses in proportion.

In any case, I doubt Din would be at all interested in the internet of the late nineties. Naryu is much more likely to be. We've also already made a major sacrifice to Din. Now we need to find things for her sisters.
Cytokinesis said:
Alex is a whole lot better at combat now than he was during the tournament. He may have started off weak, but at the rate we're increasing his abilities he'll have a very good chance of pulling it off.
Aren't we just one + better at Combat Prowess than we were then, if we're talking pure physical combat?

Also, don't underestimate our peer's growth rate. Medaka gets better ludicrously quickly, the ninja girls are being trained much more intensely than we have, and we've introduced them to magic, and Altria's got a similar level of bullshit to us and has Merlin as a teacher, along with other dedicated combat trainers.
 
Alratan said:
Aren't we just one + better at Combat Prowess than we were then, if we're talking pure physical combat?

Also, don't underestimate our peer's growth rate. Medaka gets better ludicrously quickly, the ninja girls are being trained much more intensely than we have, and we've introduced them to magic, and Altria's got a similar level of bullshit to us and has Merlin as a teacher, along with other dedicated combat trainers.
We're 3+'s ahead on pure combat prowess. We gained a lot from the tournament.

Still, if we keep going on adventures like this we're going to be quite near the top in pure skill by the time we get to the tournament. Some of the other contestants may have good training, but we have good training and epic adventure that their teachers would never let them get involved with this young on Alex's side.

The very top tier (Altria, Medaka, Son Goku) is still going to be a challenge and warrant magic use, but the middle rankers should be within our capability (as they were during this tournament too).

If we stop adventuring then I'd agree we'll need our magic to compete.
 
Alratan said:
OK. We should certainly do this. We have the technology magic. The precedent of Moloch is helpful in this respect. Conjute one of her servants and have it possess a computer, and ask it to create a direct uplink to her.
Oh dear, I do hope we wont be responsible for the creation of slanesh.
 
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