Wormverse ideas, recs, and fic discussion thread 1

How does Kingdom Hearts characters would fare in Worm? Like, how would Sora and co. handle Leviathan, Behemoth, The Nine and Scion??

Was thinking that if Scion and Eden ate worlds, they could do the same to Disney worlds before settling on Earth Bet and Sora and co. are there to stop them...
 
How does Kingdom Hearts characters would fare in Worm? Like, how would Sora and co. handle Leviathan, Behemoth, The Nine and Scion??

Was thinking that if Scion and Eden ate worlds, they could do the same to Disney worlds before settling on Earth Bet and Sora and co. are there to stop them...

This would depend massively on how you dealt with the two, very very different, cosmologies.
 
This would depend massively on how you dealt with the two, very very different, cosmologies.
Well Kingdom Hearts universe is super huge, and I think the current setting is only one sect of a massive universe of other worlds with Disney worlds, and maybe worlds from other places. Maybe a darker quadrant of the universe, or a Dark Galaxy where the Heart is myopic or something.

So, how would Sora, Donald, and Goofy handle a boss fight against Simurgh, Leviathan, or an Endbringer.

Because I have a feeling ti would be...what? On par with Xemnas Final Fight Stages or god forbid Lingering-fucking-Will?
 
Well Kingdom Hearts universe is super huge, and I think the current setting is only one sect of a massive universe of other worlds with Disney worlds, and maybe worlds from other places. Maybe a darker quadrant of the universe, or a Dark Galaxy where the Heart is myopic or something.

So, how would Sora, Donald, and Goofy handle a boss fight against Simurgh, Leviathan, or an Endbringer.

Because I have a feeling ti would be...what? On par with Xemnas Final Fight Stages or god forbid Lingering-fucking-Will?

Honestly I'd place them rather lower than that. Scion would be more akin to the harder Kingdom Hearts bosses IMO
 
Btw, Taylor would not want Emma as her friend again at this point in time.
That seems to be the general impression I've gotten.
Did she just second trigger Dinah's shard into being Contessa?
I think it might be a double trigger variant of Dinah's power.
So, ability to view the path to the future cluster desired, then she just needs to follow it? Yeah, that's a pretty good equivalent to Contessa. Not equal, but definitely high tier useful.
 
Lingering Will-tier for instance?

Eh, I think that trying to rate it according to lore difficulty is a better shout than by in-game difficulty. I would say that Zion could be run either as much akin to Ansem or Xemnas, or as more of a single world threat. It would depend heavily on if the entities were confined to a single world (keeping in mind that kingdom hearts includes modern worlds that would indicate some "Worlds" are more universes than single planetoids) or were capable of moving between them.
 
Just had a random thought,

What if around the start of canon, Amy feeling depressed being a thankless healer over hears Vicky and Carol talking about the rush that they get beating up bad guys and sometimes saving people. So Amy decides she wants to try being a hero instead of/as well as a healer.

She makes a 6ft living flesh suit giving her super strength, and if it happens to look like the guys on the posters in Vicky's, well it make a good disguise I suppose...

There is a new hero in town that going to clean up the streets, all villians beware the mighty.... BROWBEAT!!!

Well the name could do with some work
 
Just had a random thought,

What if around the start of canon, Amy feeling depressed being a thankless healer over hears Vicky and Carol talking about the rush that they get beating up bad guys and sometimes saving people. So Amy decides she wants to try being a hero instead of/as well as a healer.

She makes a 6ft living flesh suit giving her super strength, and if it happens to look like the guys on the posters in Vicky's, well it make a good disguise I suppose...

There is a new hero in town that going to clean up the streets, all villians beware the mighty.... BROWBEAT!!!

Well the name could do with some work
How would the flesh suit manifest tactile TK?
 
Thanks everyone for your comments! I'm glad you liked that snip.

You have a gift for things that both really touching and really sad.
Thanks!
Y-Yay?

*Tosses unsure confetti*

Well, it seems Taylor has a shot at rebuilding bridges. Forcefully. And Emma gets some come-uppance for now. It certainly seems like a positive story... just waiting for that twist...

Yeah. An inspiration for this story was the big difference between Taylor and Dinah's motivations. I wanted to see how a person would use Dinah's power to solve their personal problems, like understanding betrayal and finding friendship.

Dinah used her power for very long-term, abstract goals related to saving millions of people from death. 'A hard woman little girl making hard decisions.' As expected for her trigger event - she's implied to have triggered when her family suffered a loss after pretending that someone's heart disease wasn't a thing to worry about. Now that person, the focus of her trigger event, is dead and gone; and she's driven to do the best she can to stop that tragedy from happening to others.

Taylor, though...for all that she becomes a 'hard woman' later in Worm, she starts the story with intensely personal motivations. The focus of her trigger event is right there in front of her, the betrayer Emma who isolated her and made sure she couldn't make any friends. And it's a problem that isn't a tragic loss, dead and gone - it's an open wound that actively pokes and prods her every day, a problem that begs to be solved.

So in this story, Taylor is in luck. Instead of getting bug powers which are pretty much useless for solving her personal problems (except by brute force bug swarms, that would make her a criminal), here she gets Dinah's shard that might actually let her understand Emma and solve her problems at school. We'll have to see what happens...

What were Sophia and Madison doing when Taylor was making her little speech through the locker door?

Madison I could expect to maybe be confused and perhaps even conflicted but Sophia?

There is no fucking way she would stand there as Taylor threatens them.

They weren't there, Emma went to the locker alone as far as I can tell.

Yeah, Emma went alone. Madison wanted to report it to a teacher, and Sophia didn't want to return to the scene of the crime.

You know, in addition to how much I enjoyed that, it brings up an interesting question that's had me stalled on something I've been working on.

Assuming that after the locker (think on that same day, but after Taylor was hauled away to the hospital) Emma realized how horrible she was being and tried to repent, would Taylor even be willing to take her back? How hard would that be for her? Not to trust her again, because I can't see that truly happening, potentially ever, but to be willing to be around her again.

Assume that Sophia and Madison aren't relevant, but that Emma won't try to mend the fences on those counts.

That seems more like Dinah then number man. Btw, Taylor would not want Emma as her friend again at this point in time.

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Though, numbermans powers does give him some sort of precog. Plus, Taylor seemed to have obsessed about Emma while she triggered, Which could lead to why she wants her friend back, and anyone who gets in her way will burn.

Yeah, I think canon Taylor basically doesn't care about Emma's motivations anymore and just wants to get away from her. She's given up Emma as a lost cause.

But in this fic Taylor's power gave her a brief glimpse of futures where she and Emma were friends again, and the absolute certainty that those futures could truly exist, if only she could find the right path to get there. It was tantalizing enough to make her think it might be worth the effort.

Whether this is Dinah's power or Number Man's she definitely is not shy about those Thinker headaches. Was there ever any info on whether or not those headaches were symptomatic of any kind of damage?

Because if they are just some kind of power limit, and you were ruthless enough and willing to take the pain you could push a Thinker power hard.

Actually, that's an important question for my upcoming splatterpunk!Dinah story. Do the headaches represent an actual threat to the Thinker's health or not?

In canon Coil claims that he tested this in alternate timelines by forcing Dinah to predict what would happen if she used her power over and over past the point of exhaustion. He claimed that it would never do physical damage to her, it would just incapacitate her for a long time and give her a lot of pain.

My impression was that it wasn't just pain, though. I think the pain she feels is a reflection of her power getting less effective and usable. Even if you could ignore the pain, I think you'd find the power tuckering out soon afterward.

Did she just second trigger Dinah's shard into being Contessa?
I think it might be a double trigger variant of Dinah's power.
That seems to be the general impression I've gotten.

So, ability to view the path to the future cluster desired, then she just needs to follow it? Yeah, that's a pretty good equivalent to Contessa. Not equal, but definitely high tier useful.

In canon, Dinah doesn't have to ask for numbers. She can also overclock her power to look at specific futures and see what it takes to achieve those futures, in a Contessa-like way, at the cost of suffering a lot of pain and having her power basically taken offline for some time afterward. See Dinah's interlude:

"Pet," Coil said.

What she didn't get from his tone, she grasped from the vague images she saw of her most immediate possible futures.

"No," she pleaded, before he'd even told her what he wanted.

"It's necessary. I want you to look at a future where we survived, and I want you to tell us what happened."

"No. Please," she begged.

"Now, pet."

"Why is she so against this?" Trickster asked.

"Headaches," Dinah answered, pressing her hands to her head, "It breaks my power. It takes days, sometimes weeks before everything is sorted out and working again. Headaches the entire time, until everything is sorted out, worse headaches if I try to get numbers in the meantime. Have to be careful, can't muddle things up. Can't lie about the numbers, can't look at what happens, or it just becomes chaos. Safer to keep a distance, to make and follow rules. Safer to just ask the questions and let things fall into place."

"We don't have time to play twenty questions," Coil said. "Would you rather die?"

...

"Okay," she murmured. She picked out one of the paths where they survived. Even looking too closely at it made her head throb, like it was in a massive vise and someone had just cranked it a fraction tighter. Some of the possible worlds around the fringes of her consciousness disintegrated into a mess of disordered scenes as she pushed forward. The scenes and images of the less possible worlds flew around her mind like razor-sharp leaves in a gale, cutting at everything they touched. "It hurts."

"Now, pet. As quickly as you can."

He didn't know. It was something else, like trying to will herself to stick a hot poker in her body, in her brain, knowing it would remain there and burn her for weeks before it cooled.

But she did it, because as much as it would hurt, it would hurt more if she didn't get her candy. If Crawler got his hands on her, it wouldn't hurt at all after those first few moments of pain, but that was bad too. It meant dying.
 
Uhhh, back to my original question:

Where is Coil's base located and what does it's front entrance look like? that is coming up in my fic Outcry
 
Uhhh, back to my original question:

Where is Coil's base located and what does it's front entrance look like? that is coming up in my fic Outcry
I believe he has two.

One is a main, the other is a backup.

The main one is under an office building? The building is relatively close to the PRT building downtown.
 
A short and sweet snip. A power swap between Taylor and another cape. We see Taylor's side of it here.
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Number Girl

Part 1 - Taylor
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Daycare


He took in the girl's face; her eyes; the nose and recalled a vague memory from a time long before. Glancing over the hair, he noticed it almost as an after-thought and considered it unnecessary, besides. "Yes," he answered frankly. "Is Mrs. Dallon in? A number of years ago, I left something in trust with her, and I'd dearly like it back."

Smiling at his daughter, he waited for Brandish to arrive.

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well these are both magnificent. looking forward to more.
 
What happens when you take Marceau up to eleven?



Worm/Sekai Oni

Touch the sky

"Taylor," her teacher called her before she could leave the room. "I need to talk to you about the essay, could you stay for a moment?"

"Uh... sure?" she said, moving away from the door. She could hear some giggles, whispers. "What's wrong with it?"

Ms. Knott waited until everyone but they were out and sighed. "It's... I don't know why you did that."

She pulled out the essay - it was handwritten, demanded it to be like that because she thought that using the computer would be 'lazy'. Especially ironic when you consider that she started most classes with giving out copies of computer-written work sheets. Of course nobody called teachers out on their hypocrisy.

But... even Taylor could see what was wrong. "It's... mirrored?"

"Yes, it is," Ms. Knott said. "The question is why is it mirrored, Taylor?"

"I don't know?"

"But that's your handwriting," her teacher shook her head. "I know it is, and it's incredible how detailed you managed to do that even though it's mirrored, but I can't grade this."

"I didn't write it like this though!" Taylor denied. "I couldn't do that-"

Ms. Knott interrupted her and put a sheet of paper on the table before pressing a pen into her hand. "Just write your name, please."

Taylor shrugged and wrote. There it was, completely normal, Taylor He-

"Why is it mirrored again?" Ms. Knott asked suddenly, making Taylor's eyes widen. She stared at the page and could see the words mirror again.

"I... how?" Taylor asked. "I didn't mean to!"

"I'm sure you didn't," Ms. Knott said. Her tone made it obvious that she didn't really mean it. "I would..."

"Why... why did I use my left hand?" Taylor asked. "I'm right handed... I..."

Taylor felt dizzy. She hunched slightly, her glasses falling to the floor as Ms. Knott put a hand on her shoulder.

"Taylor, are you alright?"

"Yes, I'm... I'm sorry," Taylor said, crouching down to grab her glasses.

A figure, menacing, dangerous and with a most disgustingly evil smile she had ever seen was reflected in the glasses. With a scream, she jumped back and hit Ms. Knott with her head, making the woman drop to the floor with a bleeding nose.

Taylor put her hands over her eyes, keeping them shut.

"Taylor attacked a teacher!" she heard someone from behind shout. Taylor shook her head, trying to forget the monster...

She could still feel it. It was behind her. She was sure.

---
Taylor sat in the small interrogation room with her father. He didn't say anything, didn't ask why, didn't ask what. All he heard was that she attacked a teacher, and he just nodded and went along.

But Taylor still had her eyes closed.

"Do we have to sit facing the mirror?" Taylor asked the policeman. "I..."

"I'm sorry, we are not here to accommodate you, this is an investigation against you," the policeman said. "I'm Officer Davis, we will wait until your lawyer is here before we begin. Could you state your name and occupation?"

"Taylor Hebert," she said, still holding her hands over her eyes. "Student. Probably. They'll kick me out, right?"

She could hear her dad clear his throat. His glare towards the policeman wasn't visible to her...

"I'm sorry for being so late, Mr. Hebert," a woman entered the room. "I'm Carol Dallon, I will be taking the case."

"I... uh, I called for Mr. Barnes, he is an old friend of mine..." her dad stuttered. Taylor knew that name. Dallon... Dallon... oh god. This...

"Yes, and that's how it got to me," she said. "Sometimes we take cases pro bono, help the people who couldn't help themselves, and Mr. Barnes is not really a lawyer for these cases."

"I... thank you," Danny said. Taylor could hear the relief in his voice.

"Very well, then let us begin - we have multiple eye-witnesses who claim to have seen you attack your teacher after she asked you to wait in the classroom... is that true?"

"I didn't attack her!" Taylor said.

"After confirming it with a few students - they were alone in the closed room," Carol said. "Nobody entered, and when they did the whole thing had already happened."

"Very well, then why was there heard shouting then?" Davis asked. "It's what made them enter in the first place."

"I... she called for me because of my essay," Taylor mumbled.

"I can't understand you if you keep hiding your face like that," the officer said. "Just put your hands on the table, it's alright."

"No it isn't," Taylor shook her head. "There is a monster in the mirror."

"Aren't you a bit old to believe stuff like that?"

"Shut up," Taylor said. "Shut up, shut up, shut up!"

"Ms. Hebert, please stop," Carol said. "It's alright. Please don't bother with anything besides the questions you are here to ask, Officer."

"Of course, Mrs. Dallon," Davis sighed. "It was Ms. Knott who called the police and is suing you - and I doubt she broke her nose herself just to frame you, why don't you explain what happened?"

And Taylor did. From the mirrored essay, up to the monster in her glasses.

"Taylor," Carol said. "I believe it might be a psychological problem, there is a sickness that might explain why you saw what you saw. Just open your eyes - you will see, it can't do anything."

Taylor shook her head, but felt hands on hers suddenly. "It's alright."

It was her dad, so... so she just stopped closing her eyes and slowly removed her hands from her face...

And just like before. It was there, standing in the mirrored glass behind the policeman. It grinned as its claws slowly moved towards her reflection.

"NO!" she screamed, lifting her hand above her head. A hammer appeared. Huge. Bigger than she could comfortably hold in one hand, but yet she threw it at the mirror and watched the glass crack, destroying the monster in the mirror and watching the hammer fall to the floor harmlessly.

Carol watched the scene, completely baffled, while the officer didn't hesitate grabbing Taylor's hands and pulling them to the table - forcing handcuffs on her and staring at Carol.

"Parahuman?" he asked her, grimacing. Carol nodded. This case just got a whole lot more complicated.

---
The PRT, Taylor decided, was annoying. Annoying, annoying, annoying!

"The charges against your daughter will be dropped," Director Piggot said, sitting with them in the interrogation room. They decided that the hammer throw was obviously aimed at the policeman, and thus charged her with attempted assault of a police officer with a parahuman power.

"But you want her to fight for you."

"The Wards are not there to fight," the Director said. "Quite the opposite. They are supposed to stay away from villains, and learn about their powers in a controlled environment. It would be beneficial for her, and she would also receive a stipend that will help her in her future life."

"It's her choice," Danny growled. "She asked the policeman to stay away from the mirror, and now you tell me she has a power that needs to be added to your junior law enforcers, or else she will get thrown into jail. That sounds less than a fair offer and more like a threat."

Two days ago he might have immediately agreed with the woman. But Carol had... warned him, so to speak. The case was more complicated now, the nature of her powers can't be used against her if she told people about it - and apparently the 'monster in the mirror' was, spinning it right, a warning the trained policeman should have seen coming. It wasn't even like he sued her - the higher ups arrested her for it.

"I concur, it's her choice, and I know your choice matters to her," she said. "I can send you someone who was both in the Wards when she was younger and has a... similar power, as it seems. Just let her talk to your daughter."

"I am right here," Taylor growled, staring at the table. "And just because you can't talk to me without my lawyer present, it doesn't mean that I can't hear you."

Piggot coughed, looking away. "I didn't mean to ignore you, it's..."

"Screw you! Get out! I'm going to prison, just keep me away from mirrors! Charge me as an adult for all I care! Nobody ever listens to my side! You are all the same! All the same! ALL THE SAME! Blackwell, Emma, Sophia, everyone! Even you! Shut up! Get out!"

Taylor's shouts weren't heard outside the isolated room, but most certainly recorded. Her body was shaking but she didn't look up as her shouts grew louder. After the disaster from last time, she was kept away from reflective surfaces - the 'request' of a transfer in a place that could hold a parahuman better has been struck down by Carol rather early.

"Taylor, she's gone," Danny said, rubbing the bridge of his nose.

"Sorry, Dad," Taylor said, blinking away tears. I... I don't know what's happening. I just want... want it to be normal again. It's hard..."

"Avoiding all mirrors for the rest of your life might be hard," Danny said. "Their offer isn't bad, but I don't think you should be forced to join. It's... unethical."

"Tell me about it," she sighed. "I... you know I'm not lying, right?"

"Of course."

"I'm... not lying. I'm not lying," she repeated. "I'm telling the truth."


What is the cross?
 
Yeah, Emma went alone. Madison wanted to report it to a teacher, and Sophia didn't want to return to the scene of the crime.
That's what I thought was going on, glad to see I understood.
Yeah, I think canon Taylor basically doesn't care about Emma's motivations anymore and just wants to get away from her. She's given up Emma as a lost cause.
Indeed, but at the start of canon Taylor's had a lot of time to stew over the locker. I'm starting to believe that there basically isn't a way for her to do anything more then a grudging armistice between them. Getting them to work together would require... I suppose a goal that Taylor wanted that Emma was willing to help with, done whatever way Taylor wanted to do it and on her terms because Taylor won't ever trust Emma not to betray her.

It makes me sad. Still, what I want and what logic dictates clashing usually means I either find a way around logic, venture into crack territory by kicking reason to the curbside, or accept that logic must inevitably prevail. Even if the people involved aren't acting on logic. (Not that Taylor's view of 'Emma is 'It That Betrays' is wrong or illogical.)

But then, if everything went smoothly, that wouldn't always make a fun story to read now would it?
 
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