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Wolfenstein 2: Nazi Killing Boogaloo

Wait a minute here. I'm watching the scene where you meet Hitler, as part of the audition to play William Blazkowicz. And I'm pretty sure the guy wearing a green shirt is John Lennon. Also, where was Hitler keeping that Luger?



PS, that fucking mustache.
 
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Burning Baron said:
Wait a minute here. I'm watching the scene where you meet Hitler, as part of the audition to play William Blazkowicz. And I'm pretty sure the guy wearing a green shirt is John Lennon. Also, where was Hitler keeping that Luger?



PS, that fucking mustache.
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I think in the pocket of his bathrobe. Also, that first guy he killed? It's strongly suggested that was RONALD REGAN.
 
Ford Prefect said:
In TNO, it's clear that Deathshead is the effective leader of the Reich. He's directly appointed by Hitler and more or less appears to have control over whatever part of the Nazi warmachine that he likes. This is, incidentally, related to the lack of supernatural stuff in the new games - Deathshead never liked the occult and so when plans based on it kept falling over, he rose to prominence (this might account for why Himmler doesn't get a mention).
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While basically correct, I kind of take the Da'at Yichuud tech as having some sort of 'divine' inspiration to imply that there actually is something to Set's claims that it is the product of a communion with God. If not necessarily the literal Abrahamic god, then something, some high being or fundamental cosmic consciousness or something.

I mean, these are people building super science far outstripping anything possible in the 1940s or the modern day, all while keeping it totally hidden and confined to a tiny secret society.

Though I also kind of expect that at this stage, if Set knows about any other safekeeps, he's well past the point of having any philosophical excuse not to crack them open and use whatever's inside to hurt the Nazis.

Hopefully one of them contains a robot lethal enough to suit the Blaskowitz family as stand in for a pet dog.

We shall name him . . . Blade Wolf!
 
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ForeverShogo said:
I'm still incredibly pessimistic about the future of the Wolfenstein world, regardless of what the art in the end credits was trying to suggest . . . But if people are talking about even the Nazis thinking some of what they do is fucked up . . .

The first of those situations I encountered was in New York. One soldier is telling his buddy about how he was one of the first deployed into New York after it was nuked. He was riding in a tank and decided to pp open the hatch and stand up so he could rock a dramatic pose or whatever.

He talks about there still being people dying of radiation in the streets and how hard it was to stand because the driver kept swerving to run as many of them over as he could. His friend assumes the driver was trying to be merciful. That he was trying to put as many of them out of their misery as he could. Guy tells him that, no, he just had a bet with some other guy and wasn't killing those people to be merciful. They both agree the guys running that bet were bastards.

And just to inject a little humor into things . . . You can also overhear two soldiers looking at resistance papers. One of the papers says, "Fuck you, Nazis!", on it. The soldiers don't really understand English, but they're able to recognize the words "fuck" and "Nazis".

One of them knows "fuck" as another word for "fornicate", so the two soldiers think that the resistance member that wrote the message must think they're handsome and want to have sex with them.
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I'm fairly certain that the future of Wolfenstein's world involves the genocide of the German people. The Nazis took over the world and tried to slaughter a huge chunk of it. If their power is broken, the world is going to be baying for their blood. With a war like that, one way or antoher, it ends in genocide :(
 
Kaiya said:
I'm fairly certain that the future of Wolfenstein's world involves the genocide of the German people. The Nazis took over the world and tried to slaughter a huge chunk of it. If their power is broken, the world is going to be baying for their blood. With a war like that, one way or antoher, it ends in genocide :(
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BJ and other are willing to work with germans. Pretty sure that while Germany will probably cease to exist, most people who fought the nazis will be (more or less) fine.
 
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Sabertooth said:
BJ and other are willing to work with germans. Pretty sure that while Germany will probably cease to exist, most people who fought the nazis will be (more or less) fine.
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Grace insisted on treating Sigrun like shit until the latter literally choked her out for calling her a Nazi. I have a hard time believing the rest of the world will be inclined to be charitable towards people with German accents.
 
Eh . . . My pessimism is so strong that I can't help but think the Nazis will maintain their control over Europe even if they're kicked out of the rest of the world. And I'm not even sure that will actually happen. If anything, I'd lean towards maybe North and South America being liberated at the maximum.

I'm sure the next entry in the series is going to prove me wrong no matter how little sense I think it makes. Because holy fucking hell did the end credits, with their shitty cover of "We're Not Going To Take It", completely shit all over what I felt was implied about the state of America and its overall acceptance of the Nazi regime.

I certainly don't think America is going to be in any shape to serve as a springboard for future liberations for a long ass time to come.
 
ForeverShogo said:
Eh . . . My pessimism is so strong that I can't help but think the Nazis will maintain their control over Europe even if they're kicked out of the rest of the world. And I'm not even sure that will actually happen. If anything, I'd lean towards maybe North and South America being liberated at the maximum.

I'm sure the next entry in the series is going to prove me wrong no matter how little sense I think it makes. Because holy fucking hell did the end credits, with their shitty cover of "We're Not Going To Take It", completely shit all over what I felt was implied about the state of America and its overall acceptance of the Nazi regime.

I certainly don't think America is going to be in any shape to serve as a springboard for future liberations for a long ass time to come.
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Weeeeeell. Keep in mind. Africa and Asia, IIRC, are still fighting openly. Insurgencies in Europe and America, and the fact that Blaskowitz and co can drop nukes on the Nazis? It's very possible that we end up seeing key Nazi points getting nuked, the Ausmerzer in the hands of Kreisau Circle as it is, and what about, as the Nazis are more and more under pressure, advanced aircraft being stolen by other insurgencies? I think "Nazis hold central Europe" is less likely than "Central Europe goes up in nuclear fire, and becomes a post-apoc hellscape as the Nazis reap what they've sown".

In any case, no. I don't expect a happy ending for the world. The victory over the Nazis will be a Pyrrhic one. There have already been four nuclear detonations. I expect the Nazis will use more before the end, as will BJ.

New York, Deathhead's compound, Roswell, New Orleans. And how many nukes does the Eva's hammer have left? More than a few, I suspect, given its size.
 
Kaiya said:
Weeeeeell. Keep in mind. Africa and Asia, IIRC, are still fighting openly. Insurgencies in Europe and America, and the fact that Blaskowitz and co can drop nukes on the Nazis? It's very possible that we end up seeing key Nazi points getting nuked, the Ausmerzer in the hands of Kreisau Circle as it is, and what about, as the Nazis are more and more under pressure, advanced aircraft being stolen by other insurgencies? I think "Nazis hold central Europe" is less likely than "Central Europe goes up in nuclear fire, and becomes a post-apoc hellscape as the Nazis reap what they've sown".

In any case, no. I don't expect a happy ending for the world. The victory over the Nazis will be a Pyrrhic one. There have already been four nuclear detonations. I expect the Nazis will use more before the end, as will BJ.

New York, Deathhead's compound, Roswell, New Orleans. And how many nukes does the Eva's hammer have left? More than a few, I suspect, given its size.
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As MJ pointed out, BJ has trashed the Oberkommando three times now—it's entirely possible there's nobody left who has nuclear launch authority.
 
Kaiya said:
New York, Deathhead's compound, Roswell, New Orleans. And how many nukes does the Eva's hammer have left? More than a few, I suspect, given its size.
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Keep in mind that we've done more nuclear tests in our timeline than the Nazis have probably ever used in anger.

Truth is, I doubt the Reich ever built up the massive nuclear arsenals that the OTL powers felt the need to create. A compact weapon like that is great for wiping out resistance cells sure, but so's a couple of platoon of Panzer hunds, while nukes are even better for hurting the Reich.

I stand by my previous assessment that the Eva's hammer and other similar ships and facilities, were built to act essentially as the Reich's nuclear arms lockers, to keep safe the warheads they do have with little intention of actually making more. By the time they change their mind, odds are it will be too late to restart production.
 
Jace911 said:
As MJ pointed out, BJ has trashed the Oberkommando three times now—it's entirely possible there's nobody left who has nuclear launch authority.
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BJ has only been in Europe and America, and only in a few American states, and I feel like there's more to the Nazi's high-ranked generals than Strauss, Bubi, and Engles, though. Also, Hitler is still alive and there are still dudes on Venus with him. If nothing else, all they need to do is ask Hitler to approve the launch. And, again. Never been to Russia, never been anywhere in Africa, never been in South America...there's lots of places with lots of Nazis we've never seen or met. Including, I'm sure, tons of generals.

Triggerhappy said:
Keep in mind that we've done more nuclear tests in our timeline than the Nazis have probably ever used in anger.

Truth is, I doubt the Reich ever built up the massive nuclear arsenals that the OTL powers felt the need to create. A compact weapon like that is great for wiping out resistance sure, but it's even better for hurting the Reich.

I stand by my previous assessment that the Eva's hammer and other similar ships and facilities, were built to act essentially as the Reich's nuclear arms lockers, to keep safe the warheads they do have with little intention of actually making more. By the time they change their mind, odds are it will be too late to restart production.
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I...feel like that's really optimistic, given the Nazis clear love of sci-fi bullshit superweapons.
 
Kaiya said:
I...feel like that's really optimistic, given the Nazis clear love of sci-fi bullshit superweapons.
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The Nazis love impractical sci-fi super weapons. Nukes are sort of cheating. Also not sci-fi.

As of New Order, the Super Weapon they presently have in the works is an orbital solar ray reflector to slag resistance strong points with pinpoint precision. The Nazis are going green!

So odds are, Wolfenstein 3 will pull a Call of Duty : Ghosts, only, y'know, not shit. And have Blaskowitz board the solar weapon in order to capture it and turn it against the Nazis.

It doesn't even have to be the end game. Just use the solar ray to wipe out key strategic target, then the Nazis manage to shoot it down with whatever rockets they have left.
 
Kaiya said:
BJ has only been in Europe and America, and only in a few American states, and I feel like there's more to the Nazi's high-ranked generals than Strauss, Bubi, and Engles, though. Also, Hitler is still alive and there are still dudes on Venus with him. If nothing else, all they need to do is ask Hitler to approve the launch. And, again. Never been to Russia, never been anywhere in Africa, never been in South America...there's lots of places with lots of Nazis we've never seen or met. Including, I'm sure, tons of generals.


I...feel like that's really optimistic, given the Nazis clear love of sci-fi bullshit superweapons.
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The Nazis can't just say "fuck it" and push the button, they need actual nuclear codes to launch their nukes—it's the entire reason BJ had to go to the moon in TNO. I really doubt that, even if they trusted Hitler with the codes, he still remembers them. :V
 
Jace911 said:
The Nazis can't just say "fuck it" and push the button, they need actual nuclear codes to launch their nukes—it's the entire reason BJ had to go to the moon in TNO. I really doubt that, even if they trusted Hitler with the codes, he still remembers them. :V
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True. But also their codes are shit :p I mean, really. The system is Odin, the password is _Valhalla._ That's like, the top 10 passwords to guess.
 
Kaiya said:
BJ has only been in Europe and America, and only in a few American states, and I feel like there's more to the Nazi's high-ranked generals than Strauss, Bubi, and Engles, though. Also, Hitler is still alive and there are still dudes on Venus with him. If nothing else, all they need to do is ask Hitler to approve the launch. And, again. Never been to Russia, never been anywhere in Africa, never been in South America...there's lots of places with lots of Nazis we've never seen or met. Including, I'm sure, tons of generals.
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Yeah, there's more to the Nazi high ranked generals than those three. The Oberkommando and the Uberkommandants, for example.

Who have all suffered sudden and inexplicable deaths due to lead poisoning.
 
Kaiya said:
He killed a lot of the ones in America. What about all the ones all over the rest of the world? :p
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The Oberkommando, who you nuke, then completely murder the survivors of on Venus, are the Nazi high command. Not the local American Nazi high command, the Nazi high command period.

Given what we see of the Nazis in TNO and TNC, it's very likely that there simply aren't that many people left with nuclear launch authority, and after the TNC DLC, there might be even fewer.
 
MJ12 Commando said:
The Oberkommando, who you nuke, then completely murder the survivors of on Venus, are the Nazi high command. Not the local American Nazi high command, the Nazi high command period.

Given what we see of the Nazis in TNO and TNC, it's very likely that there simply aren't that many people left with nuclear launch authority, and after the TNC DLC, there might be even fewer.
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I...guess? Didn't a bunch of the Venus based ones survive though? I just don't feel like we ever cut through that many of them to destroy the whole world's supplies. Also, Hitler was in part of Venus that got locked off, so clearly the ones with him lived.
 
Article from Gamasutra about the music for TNC, with examples of how the Venus level's soundtrack was constructed.

Also, one of the readables in Set's workshop is about the Power Armour, and how it has dozens of inscriptions in it that Set knows are important, but couldn't figure out in his brief look, and has been too busy to really sit down and have a good think about. What's the bet that comes back in a big way in the final entry in the trilogy, considering who has the power armour by the end?
 
As I said earlier, I don't think BJ actually successfully nuked the OKW. The base they were using? Sure. But a fuckload of escape craft clearly escaped well before that nuke went off.

I also want to point out that the Nazis are continuing to produce nuclear weapons. One of those collectible postcards you can find is from someone working at a facility in Colorado the Nazis are using to build more nukes.
 
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