Where Nightmares Fear To Tread: Overprotective Monster Quest

That is wholly a coincidence but I'm actually okay with that and might actually try to work that into the update now so thanks for pointing that out.

And ehhhh probably not but you are absolutely going to take what little remains of the Dread's skull as a keepsake.
 
[X] Safeguard (Prevents negative events.) + Feast
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It's high noon.
 
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Even in its death throes....the dread shall not pass.
 
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YOU SHALL NOT PASS
 
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What other choice is there to make? Telling our allies just how badly fucked they'll be in next five minutes?
We'll be facing some interesting wounds and ruins in that ACT 3.
 
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One last push to minimize the damage the Dread seeks to inflict.

When the time comes for Act 3, as we uncover the final pieces of the puzzle, there are some taking a higher priority than others whom we will need to inform. We will of course need to speak with the Primal Fear once we have all the answers and continue updating it about our progress to free it. The First Mage will need to be informed as well about the web of these machinations, as will the Wandering God, assuming he has returned by then. Elijah will also need to be illuminated, given how deeply involved he is with this matter, considering his mission parameters. It may not be strictly necessary, but perhaps we should also inform the Songsmith. Given that the Mages are the ones working to prevent the situation from completely unraveling, it would do us well to update them about the overall situation.
 
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[X] Who: Made This Happen (Who is the architect of this scenario?) 20% progress made.
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Hello folks! Calling the vote and uhhhh Safeguard + Feast, Safeguard The Second Time, and Who: Made This Happen weirdly enough by A vote.

As an aside the uhhhhhh Eyes All In Gold sidestory is gonna... Be a bit more than I thought it would take. It's been fighting me super hard and I am not satisfied with what I've got written up on it so far. So I'm basically running back to re-write some parts of it. Should have it up before the update on thursday but yeah.

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Is that the lowest ya'll have ever rolled in the entire thread's history?

I think that's the lowest ya'll have ever rolled in the entire thread's history.

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Hey so I'm a filthy fucking liar as it turns out? Both Update and Sidestory will be delayed a bit as I panic and handle some important adult matters what came up called 'Shit, right, vehicles need maintenance and so do I.'
Moronis threw 2 100-faced dice. Reason: Safeguard Total: 58
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Anyhow, as always ask questions if you got 'em, don't be afraid to point out any fuck ups in the update, and I'm gonna try to have the "Eyes All In Gold" sidestory up sometime before sunday.
I know that the mages are assisting us, and Alex and Gunnolf, but are they assisting the other supernaturals, and how?

We're finishing up Act 2, you mentioned that Songsmith finished up Act 2, and the Grey was working on Act 3. What acts are the other supernaturals on?

Is there are reason for us to start contacting the the Grey at this point?

Why did Elijah consider the Primal Fear to be a false divinity? Didn't we explain about what Bravery told us when we mentioned him? Speaking of Elijah, I don't remember seeing it, but did we explain about the spell that was made to keep the Gods out of reality?

Do the mages in town experience a similar act structure, and if so what act are they on?

Can you tell us what each of the supernatural's acts are defined by(or at least the acts that are finished, or that they're in the middle of)?

Can we use future Speak to the Songsmith actions to share research like we do with Elijah? I mean from what I remember being mentioned, the Eldritch Abominations like Songsmith are drawn to this world due to an overwhelming curiosity and a desire to understand things.
 
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QM Note: Protagonists And Act Structures (Or Why Elijah Is Hard To Write For)
I know that the mages are assisting us, and Alex and Gunnolf, but are they assisting the other supernaturals, and how?

They are not assisting any other protagonists apart from Alex, Gunnolf, and of course Dule. Reason being that there's no real line of communication with the Grey, the Songsmith, or Elijah, and the Beast is straight up impossible to communicate with.

We're finishing up Act 2, you mentioned that Songsmith finished up Act 2, and the Grey was working on Act 3. What acts are the other supernaturals on?

Is there are reason for us to start contacting the the Grey at this point?

Alex and Gunnolf are both in the finishing stages of their Act 2 and have been for a while what with you guys and the Mages both rolling really well on "Let's Ruin This Serial Killer's Whole Day" earlier on. Only reason they haven't completed it yet is devoting more time to research since they had free time for it. Elijah's getting towards completing Act 2 but isn't there quite yet as it hasn't uncovered the source of the demonic incursion yet. Beast is halfway there, had a chance encounter with the Thing On The Mountain.

Honestly? That's up to you guys but I wouldn't recommend it. The Grey's whole goal has always been "Get the fuck out of here." It has no investment in Earth or what goes down here, not even after the time it's spent on ol' Terra Firma here. Its plan is still "Get my maps, get my ship repaired, get out of here before I get killed." and it's staying that way. It might help if you come up with something that'll help it on that plan but yeah.

Why did Elijah consider the Wandering God to be a false divinity? Didn't we explain about him when we mentioned him? Speaking of Elijah, I don't remember seeing it, but did we explain about the spell that was made to keep the Gods out of reality?

Elijah doesn't consider the Wanderer a false divine, it considers the Primal Fear a false divine. The Wanderer simply doesn't match any known profiles for the Divine in Elijah's memories, which are fuzzy sometimes. The Primal Fear, on the other hand, is a false one because it's on the way to being a god but isn't fully 100% there quite yet which is also the reason why the spell didn't catch it.

You did explain about the Wanderer but for whatever reason the Wanderer ain't bothered going near Elijah at all.

You haven't made mention of that spell yet.

Do the mages in town experience a similar act structure, and if so what act are they on?

They do and they are on Act 2.

Can you tell us what each of the supernatural's acts are defined by(or at least the acts that are finished, or that they're in the middle of)?

And this is where we hit a wall.

See, I'm gonna level with you all? I've just been doing a few rolls every so often and charting progress fairly arbitrarily for each protagonist so far. While I've got an idea on how their act structures progress I don't 100% have their plots figured out.

Alex and Gunnolf are easy, their act structure has always been "Keep these two kids safe, deal with the hunters, get rid of the hunters for good." Like, that's their Act 1, 2, and 3 right there.

The Beast has been "Kill threats to Small One (Levi), Kill and consume other Windigos, Kill The Thing On The Mountain" since about the time I figured Windigos fighting and killing each other for territory but also because cannibals made sense as a plot beat.

Songsmith has been "Investigate World and keep Handan safe, Try to figure out why Locksmith can't talk to me, Convince Locksmith to stop" for a while now.

The Grey is, again, the easiest fucker in the world to write and plan for. "Act 1: Fuck me I'm stuck here, Act 2: Okay, repair this, Act 3: GET OUT OF HERE" since day 1, literally since day 1 that's been the act structure.

And now we get to Elijah.

Who I still don't have an end goal or major antagonistic force for. Cause every time I go to make one I end up second guessing myself so hard that I end up deleting everything involved. Reason 'Eyes All In Gold' is taking so long is thanks to that fact.

Do I go even harder on 'The gods are jerks, made tools that could think and reason and then didn't give them free will' and make the antagonist the entire angelic host as Elijah's slowly fragmented 'programming' finally snaps and it decides to keep Elijah safe because its the first proper decision it's ever made for itself?

Or do I go for a classic and have it be a Demon, like a proper one, an actual fallen angel that's causing all kinds of awful crap to go down for its own goals and motivations?

Do I do neither and just have the ultimate antagonist be Elijah deciding to shatter its own restrictions and programming, becoming something more in the process?

I don't know and it bothers me significantly and it makes it tricky to even write whenever the Angel comes up. Because I genuinely didn't plan enough around angels and such because I was focused more on figuring out Dule and the whole thing with the Primal Fear. It's a failing on my part and one that I gotta correct but... That's basically the gist of things.

As for the Mages... Ehhhh, Act 1: Investigate, Act 2: Contain, and I'm not gonna say anything on Act 3 cause that's a bit too far on spoilers.
 
Elijah doesn't consider the Wanderer a false divine, it considers the Primal Fear a false divine. The Wanderer simply doesn't match any known profiles for the Divine in Elijah's memories, which are fuzzy sometimes. The Primal Fear, on the other hand, is a false one because it's on the way to being a god but isn't fully 100% there quite yet which is also the reason why the spell didn't catch it.

You did explain about the Wanderer but for whatever reason the Wanderer ain't bothered going near Elijah at all.

You haven't made mention of that spell yet.
I went back and saw that I misremembered which one was said to be a false divine, I went back and edited it, but you got to it before then. You answered my corrected question anyway, so thanks.
And now we get to Elijah.

Who I still don't have an end goal or major antagonistic force for. Cause every time I go to make one I end up second guessing myself so hard that I end up deleting everything involved. Reason 'Eyes All In Gold' is taking so long is thanks to that fact.

Do I go even harder on 'The gods are jerks, made tools that could think and reason and then didn't give them free will' and make the antagonist the entire angelic host as Elijah's slowly fragmented 'programming' finally snaps and it decides to keep Elijah safe because its the first proper decision it's ever made for itself?

Or do I go for a classic and have it be a Demon, like a proper one, an actual fallen angel that's causing all kinds of awful crap to go down for its own goals and motivations?

Do I do neither and just have the ultimate antagonist be Elijah deciding to shatter its own restrictions and programming, becoming something more in the process?

I don't know and it bothers me significantly and it makes it tricky to even write whenever the Angel comes up. Because I genuinely didn't plan enough around angels and such because I was focused more on figuring out Dule and the whole thing with the Primal Fear. It's a failing on my part and one that I gotta correct but... That's basically the gist of things.
As for Elijah, I thought that part of its goal was to destroy the demonic incursion, but mainly that it wanted to free all the angels. We saw them back when we visited Afriel's dream back when the Nightmare was our main enemy. I figured that either they were stuck in his head or that he was just seeing a vision of their prison, which was why Elijah was attracted to him, since he said that he always saw that dream.

And since I edited it in after you got to my questions from before, since I was just editing in questions as I thought of them since I didn't want to double post:
Can we use future Speak to the Songsmith actions to share research like we do with Elijah? I mean from what I remember being mentioned, the Eldritch Abominations like Songsmith are drawn to this world due to an overwhelming curiosity and a desire to understand things.
 
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As for the Mages... Ehhhh, Act 1: Investigate, Act 2: Contain, and I'm not gonna say anything on Act 3 cause that's a bit too far on spoilers.
...hmmm.
Do I do neither and just have the ultimate antagonist be Elijah deciding to shatter its own restrictions and programming, becoming something more in the process?
This might be the best bet? Rather than trying to shoehorn another antagonist into this web, have Elijah decide whether it wants to become something more or not, with maybe some other third potential option in there as well? I guess the reason *why* it'd want to shatter it's own restrictions could also change, which adds more depth.
 
Huh, I just thought of Elijah as well...Lost Angel. God is gone, the Angels are carrying out their last orders to their best ability, but misunderstanding the purpose because until that moment they had never had to understand, only to do.
 
I honestly feel confused, when it comes to Elijah's story.

His plan from "The Angel: Beginning" post looked like:
1. Carry out current orders.
2. Figure out:
2a. Where are/what happened to the Divine.
2b. Why were you given those orders.
2c. What are next orders AND/OR clarifying statements to what you are supposed to do.
3. Proceed from there.
His current set of orders felt... incomplete, after all. Spirit of the orders? It's like an AI with inputs written by a poet.
We see his glitchiness in normal conversation, after all. I doubt this confusion is... desirable to him.
So you blink for a bit before explaining about the Wandering God, the Primal Fear, and the Purpose. Of the Song Of Blood. There's time and time a plenty as the angel sits there, silently hovering over you. "Divines registered. Wandering God matches no known profiles of the Divine, the Primal Fear is designated as 'False Divine' due to several conflicting factors, the Purpose matches one known profile of the Divine, Song of Blood matches one known profile, memories corrupted."
And he found said Divines. Two of them, even!
Except Purpose wasn't the one who gave him orders. Song of Blood did.
And Song of Blood may very well be the villain of this story, opposed to being locked away from the world.

And that would bring Elijah towards some serious inner turmoil.
Elijah is a servant at heart. God's angel. Except there is more than one god. And they are at war.
Who should he follow? Does he wish to serve the Divines who wish to break into this world, thus turning against his current allies?
Or maybe he should oppose them, backing the other group? But why? And what would he do about orders given from an enemy?
Should he just stay away from all of that, following his old orders, building a new life around them? Why or why not?
 
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Was just catching up with the side content and saw how Songsmith referred to the Wandering God as Song of Blood, and realized that he might be the villain all along. Although whether or not it was intentional or conscious is a different issue.
 
And that would bring Elijah towards some serious inner turmoil.
Elijah is a servant at heart. God's angel. Except there is more than one god. And they are at war.
Who should he follow? Does he wish to serve the Divines who wish to break into this world, thus turning against his current allies?
Or maybe he should oppose them, backing the other group? But why? And what would he do about orders given from an enemy?
Should he just stay away from all of that, following his old orders, building a new life around them? Why or why not?

And with that you have aptly summarized every problem I have had planning anything for Elijah this whole time.

Because I didn't even have that much going in to Elijah's Act 2. This is why the sidestory for Act 3 is taking me so long is trying to figure out the questions I need to ask regarding certain things that are gonna happen when Act 3 does land.

Still, part of why I love doing this, answering questions and chatting with ya'll about the story and what problems I've run into writing it is that it lets me better get a grasp of what I can do to fix it. Helps me get a better grounding of how to flesh out the characters and the world, y'know?

I know the gag I've fallen back on a few times at this point is 'We didn't have an antagonist until someone mentioned they couldn't wait to see who the antagonist was and I panicked.' but like... You guys, the things you've said, the things you've come up with constantly help me move forward with regards to writing this story and pushing it forward. It is an honest and true statement when I tell you that this story would not be where it is today without an audience that wanted to engage with it and ask questions like you've all done. So sincerely here, from the bottom of my heart, I gotta thank you for that.

Especially because ya'll have given me a pretty solid idea of how I want to move Elijah's plot and characterization forward now with regards to those problems I mentioned before. I'm definitely just gonna go for "Elijah breaks 'programming' and makes choice of own free will." because I feel like that, with what I have planned for Act 3 overall, works best. Again, thank you all so much.

And since I edited it in after you got to my questions from before, since I was just editing in questions as I thought of them since I didn't want to double post:
Can we use future Speak to the Songsmith actions to share research like we do with Elijah? I mean from what I remember being mentioned, the Eldritch Abominations like Songsmith are drawn to this world due to an overwhelming curiosity and a desire to understand things.

Yes. Moving forward once the Dread's been dealt with all Speak actions with allies will share information with them and boost their research/investigations AND Dule's research/investigations alike.
 
I feel like one of the next research results that we should share with Elijah should be our learning of language and how to speak it, as well as the school stuff. It should help with their goals of learning more, and allow them to directly communicate with the mages.

I've been thinking about Dule and what he would do after the supernatural issues in the town are solved (because to be honest he's not gonna be happy with JUST the Primal Fear issue being solved, he's just too invested in all but the Grey). I couldn't imagine him not continuing along the same path he's currently on, of learning as much as he could about the nature of things, collecting lots of bonuses and helping/protecting people. I imagine him to be either a boogieman counterpart to the Crone(what with some of the implications she's made about being a global entity), and/or working with the mages to keep everything under control and eliminate supernatural threats to the public. I could see Elijah potentially joining him in his journey, and Songsmith potentially helping with the whole understanding things part of the goal. The Grey wants to leave, and Alex and Gunnolf seem to be content as small town teachers even if they are very useful within this town, and The Beast is unlikely to be able to stick around after the Thing on the Mountain is dead unless the three of them end up discovering with their research and investigations how to at the very least bring back some of a wendigo's humanity, which would be easier than in most cases, since The Beast actually has some scraps of humanity left from when it was Fawn.
 
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Especially because ya'll have given me a pretty solid idea of how I want to move Elijah's plot and characterization forward now with regards to those problems I mentioned before. I'm definitely just gonna go for "Elijah breaks 'programming' and makes choice of own free will." because I feel like that, with what I have planned for Act 3 overall, works best. Again, thank you all so much.

There's a lot of interesting things that can be done with the idea of a Lost Angel, most of which centering around their relationship to God(s). The obvious ones you've already thrown around, the whole God is an Asshole idea, but there's a lot more that can be done with any kind of nigh-omnipotent power. Cutting away the mechanics of the current sheet, there's already some very interesting threads that can be woven together. Elijah knows itself as the "last of the Great Works of the Divine", and it's powers tend to lean towards either understanding or destruction, despite it's supposed nature as a creature made to "protect the Marked Child". What is the meaning of the terms "Shepherd" and "Seer", and why were the angels known as such? There's the implication that E-1 (It has a true name!) can actually self-correct its own programming, even as it pursues it's hard-coded goals.

It could be that whichever Divine made E-1, it was always intended to become something else, always intended to grow beyond its factory state. Why else would someone build a creation with the ability to do so? (That isn't necessarily a rhetorical question, why were the angels built in such a contradictory manner? Nigh-Omnipotents rarely do anything for only a single reason.)

In the end, what is Elijah's story ultimately about? The stories of the other cryptids are all based around relationships.

Alex and Gunnolf want to protect their peaceful everyday lives in spite of their identities, so when the world they tried to leave comes knocking, they drive it away. Their mundane equivalent would be those trying to move away from their past lives. It's about trying to start fresh, and dealing with the reality that doing so isn't really possible: you can't escape your past, and cutting out toxic influences from your life is hard.

The Beast has, through trauma and the powers of the plot train, lost its connection to its family, and is trying to come to terms with its new life as well as grasp its former existence, similar to those who are traumatized or suffer from a severe mental illness midway through their lives IRL. Their new paradigm means they can't connect, even if they want to try.

The Grey has lost touch with the outside world that they were once a part of, and is desperately trying to reach out despite the difficulty. Their entire journey is basically a metaphor for the life of a Hikikomori/Shut-In, or really anyone who's life has gone far off the tracks under certain interpretations. They never intended to crash and burn the way they did, but getting out of the metaphorical hole is hard.

The Songsmith... is a bit more esotheric, but there are parallels to draw to the experiences of immigrants. Trapped in an unfamiliar yet enticing world, often it is found that things are very different from how they seem from far away. Everything is unfamiliar, and and nobody really understands them, just as they don't understand their new paradigm. Their story is about reaching out to strange people in this new place to survive, and in the process they may find themselves learning new things, appreciating the culture that had previously been attracted to.

Dule's story is about inheritances. They were born into a world that told them certain things, and they end up growing into something that they quote unquote "weren't supposed to be", or at the very least different than what was originally expected. Dule is different from those around it, but that doesn't mean it can't form healthy relationships. Despite being so fundamentally different, Dule still manages to connect to the world around them, and then they find out there was something else in the past that they had previously never been tied to. The whole thing with the Dread and the Primal Fear brings to mind the idea of an adopted child meeting their wayward parents after growing up, the conflict that comes with returning to a culture you were never really a part of.

In this context, if you're going to write about Elijah's self actualization, some inspiration could be drawn from the stories of those who grew up in cults or with abusive parents. Elijah's story is in this case would be centered about its world-view, and how it has to change and adapt to a world that is very different from what they always expected. As a child, abuse can hard-code certain ideas into a worldview: everyone is out to hurt me, don't show weakness, hide from sight. Cults can be even more insidious in their programming: there are stories from people who grew up in groups like the Jehovah's witnesses, and it's pretty fucked up. Gaslighting, Social Humiliation, and the demand of absolute belief with no room for questioning, all coupled with other kinds of abuse mandated by the faith. Of course, Elijah's character arc doesn't have to lean so heavily into abuse thematics, it could just as easily be applied to the general state of teenagerhood, where you don't know what to do with your life and have to find your way alone outside of a sheltered family life. Both cases would lean heavily into the act of building new support networks and finding direction either way.

This is all just a suggestion of course, spice to taste, or just ignore it if it doesn't fit with what you have.
 
To expand on what I said before, I hope that someday, in the epilogue most likely, that Dule can upgrade from the Sheltering Dark, to the Shadow of Humanity. Shepherd of Boogiemen might also be nice, since I noticed how protective of the intelligent boogiemen he was during the Dread fight. However, I want him to be like he was leading up to the Dread's arrival except on a larger scale. The thing that goes bump in the night for things that go bump in the night. Protecting humanity and friendly supernaturals from those that would prey upon them.
 
"it's all apparent little shadow." Comes the hushed whisper that tears away at the world. "i can see it all now." Cracked eyes meet yours and you realize that the ghostly shape of a horse's skull has formed. "you dance and dance and dance, as do they all, at the ends of strings you can not see for they are not there. the puppeteer has no need of them, not now, not for such a long time. made us. made this town. all of us nothing more than pieces on the board."
I just realized how pitiful this ending was: as a being of Fear, the Dread wanted to go out delivering a dying prophecy of mysterious doom. And the entire time Dule was just nodding along going "yeah, known about that for a long time"
 
I just realized how pitiful this ending was: as a being of Fear, the Dread wanted to go out delivering a dying prophecy of mysterious doom. And the entire time Dule was just nodding along going "yeah, known about that for a long time"
There's also the sad fact that the Dread's realization of the truth of things only comes as it's about to die. I imagine that Dule would have been happy to have the Dread assisting him in Actually Helping the Primal Fear if he had realized the truth earlier. I really pitied the Dread this last update.
 
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